Latest Rosenthal Report

[Backtobanks]

The latest Ken Rosenthal report on Foxsports.com talks about the possible availability of Brad Penny and Zack Greinke. The reason emtioned for Greinke is that the Royals are seriously in need of position players and prospects at AA and AAA. How about a blockbuster deal:

 

Greinke and DeJesus for Pie, Cedeno, Marshall/Gallagher, Patterson, and Murton. If more (or different) names are needed use Hoffpaur and Veal.

 

Both Greinke (24) and DeJesus (28) are young, cheap, and could be counted on to help in the future in addition to 2008.

 

Soriano Zambrano

Theriot Dempster

Lee Lilly

Ramirez Greinke

Fukudome Marquis/Gallagher/Hill/Marshall/Lieber

Soto

DeRosa

DeJesus

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[RammyFanny]

I'd love Greinke, but only if we know for sure he's over whatever psychological things that plagued him. I remember hearing that going to a big market might not be the best thing for his self esteem (if he were to get booed).

 

But of course, maybe I was blowing up that incident and he's fully over it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The latest Ken Rosenthal report on Foxsports.com talks about the possible availability of Brad Penny and Zack Greinke. The reason emtioned for Greinke is that the Royals are seriously in need of position players and prospects at AA and AAA. How about a blockbuster deal:

 

Greinke and DeJesus for Pie, Cedeno, Marshall/Gallagher, Patterson, and Murton. If more (or different) names are needed use Hoffpaur and Veal.

 

Both Greinke (24) and DeJesus (28) are young, cheap, and could be counted on to help in the future in addition to 2008.

 

Soriano Zambrano

Theriot Dempster

Lee Lilly

Ramirez Greinke

Fukudome Marquis/Gallagher/Hill/Marshall/Lieber

Soto

DeRosa

DeJesus

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

 

I'd do that. Adding Veal might be a bit much, but yeah I'd definitely do that.

[Outshined_One]

Anyone know what's wrong with Penny this season? His numbers across the board are noticeably down from last season.

[inari]

Grenkie was at one time the top pitching prospect in baseball, right?

[mhuber92211]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

[mhuber92211]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

 

Perhaps, but good over 2 months isn't worth whatever prospects we have left

[TruffleShuffle]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

 

Perhaps, but good over 2 months isn't worth whatever prospects we have left

 

so we're not counting last season?

[Coach C]

Not sure why the Royals would even think about offering Grienke. I mean, to a point, this goes aganist Dayton Moore's philosophies in pitching and defense, and they want to give up their best pitcher? Hogwash. As for Grienke's mental issues, it is pretty much under control as long he takes his medications for it. I'll give him this though, he's a interesting character when it comes to the media interviews.

 

As for DeJesus, I'd pass on him if I were the Cubs. He's just a singles hitter with only average OBP with little to no power.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

 

Perhaps, but good over 2 months isn't worth whatever prospects we have left

 

If we're lucky, some of those prospects might turn into a 24-year-old, 120+ ERA starting pitcher

[RedFlash]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

 

Perhaps, but good over 2 months isn't worth whatever prospects we have left

 

If we're lucky, some of those prospects might turn into a 24-year-old, 120+ ERA starting pitcher

 

Agreed. A this point, the Cubs farmhands, are closer to being suspects then actul prospects, with the excpetion of a few players.

[Irrelevant Dude]

I think this type of a deal all depends on how Edmonds performs. If he is able to stay healthy and continue hitting as he has recently, that will free up Hendry to make a big trade for a starting pitcher rather than filling a hole in CF.

[Post Count Padder]

I like Greinke, and DeJesus is decent. But at the cost of what tradeable prospects we have? I don't know.

[rawaction]

Anyone know what's wrong with Penny this season? His numbers across the board are noticeably down from last season.

 

Wild in the zone. Not hitting his spots. He's had a GB/FB ratio of nearly 4-to-1 in his last 5 starts, but has been tagged for 29 ERs and 40 hits over that span in 27 2/3 innings. High BABIP right now, but has given up 6 HRs (4 in his last 4 starts) after giving up 9 all of last year. Lefties are absolutely teeing off on him this year for some reason. His 3-year splits suggest no such problem with LH hitters. I'd love to go after Penny. He will turn it around.

[mhuber92211]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

 

Perhaps, but good over 2 months isn't worth whatever prospects we have left

 

If we're lucky, some of those prospects might turn into a 24-year-old, 120+ ERA starting pitcher

 

Agreed. A this point, the Cubs farmhands, are closer to being suspects then actul prospects, with the excpetion of a few players.

 

Understood, that is why the few that have some value all shouldn't go in the same trade for a suspect pitcher and a CF that is really not needed

[Backtobanks]

I'd rather just have DeJesus

 

i guess you missed it... greinke got good again.

 

Perhaps, but good over 2 months isn't worth whatever prospects we have left

 

If we're lucky, some of those prospects might turn into a 24-year-old, 120+ ERA starting pitcher

 

Agreed. A this point, the Cubs farmhands, are closer to being suspects then actul prospects, with the excpetion of a few players.

 

Understood, that is why the few that have some value all shouldn't go in the same trade for a suspect pitcher and a CF that is really not needed

 

I totally disagree with your description of Greinke as a "suspect pitcher" and DeJesus as a "CF that is not really needed". Greinke is an excellent pitcher who has proven himself for a last place team and is only 24 years old. DeJesus is a solid, proven major league CF who is only 28 years old. You're right that DeJesus (and Greinke) are not needed right now because everything is clicking for the Cubs. Later in the season when things like Edmonds starts feeling his age and Dempster and Gallagher start feeling the effects of starting during 162 game schedule, you might see the need for this deal. Also, I pointed out, their ages would allow the Cubs to go into next year with two less holes to fill.

[badnews]

I don't like DeJesus. He's really, really blah, acquiring him takes more than blah. The asking price has always seemed to far outstrip the production. He's a 28 year old .760 OPS type, average to below average defensive center fielder... eh. Greinke would be nice but who knows if he could hold up, pitching in Chicago to break "the curse" vs. KC is a whole different ball game.

[Backtobanks]

MLBtraderumors.com in an article about the starting pitcher market mentions Greinke's name again:

 

Zack Greinke, Royals. To trade him, the Royals would probably need a very good, cheap, young MLB-ready hitter.

 

"very good, cheap, young MLB-ready hitter" could describe Hoffpaur, Cedeno, Murton, Patterson, or a combination of them. I mentioned before Greinke would be a great pickup as a pitcher with experience and youth (24). Some posters weren't enamored with the original discussion of DeJesus and Greinke, but getting Greinke without DeJesus should satisfy the naysayers.

[CubColtPacer]

MLBtraderumors.com in an article about the starting pitcher market mentions Greinke's name again:

 

Zack Greinke, Royals. To trade him, the Royals would probably need a very good, cheap, young MLB-ready hitter.

 

"very good, cheap, young MLB-ready hitter" could describe Hoffpaur, Cedeno, Murton, Patterson, or a combination of them. I mentioned before Greinke would be a great pickup as a pitcher with experience and youth (24). Some posters weren't enamored with the original discussion of DeJesus and Greinke, but getting Greinke without DeJesus should satisfy the naysayers.

 

I take that phrase to mean someone like Pie. None of the others are on the level of "very good". Cedeno and Murton probably come closest, but they're not close enough.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

For whatever it's worth, Greinke doesn't have a pronounced home/road split. Well, at least he didn't before his sample-skewing beatdown the Sox gave him in his last outing. Maybe we could hook him up with the same sport psychologist that Hill talks to.

[Amazing_Grace]

I think this type of a deal all depends on how Edmonds performs. If he is able to stay healthy and continue hitting as he has recently, that will free up Hendry to make a big trade for a starting pitcher rather than filling a hole in CF.

 

I really hope Hendry isn't counting on Edmonds to do anything except occupy a spot on the roster and play good defense until he figures out how to actually get production out of CF.

 

Greinke and Penny would both be good pickups for us. I'm all for it. DeJesus I could take or leave. He basically is what we're all hoping Theriot will continue to be, a decent hitter with no power whose value comes from the fact he plays a premium position and gets on base at a good clip.

[Coach C]

MLBtraderumors.com in an article about the starting pitcher market mentions Greinke's name again:

 

Zack Greinke, Royals. To trade him, the Royals would probably need a very good, cheap, young MLB-ready hitter.

 

"very good, cheap, young MLB-ready hitter" could describe Hoffpaur, Cedeno, Murton, Patterson, or a combination of them. I mentioned before Greinke would be a great pickup as a pitcher with experience and youth (24). Some posters weren't enamored with the original discussion of DeJesus and Greinke, but getting Greinke without DeJesus should satisfy the naysayers.

 

I take that phrase to mean someone like Pie. None of the others are on the level of "very good". Cedeno and Murton probably come closest, but they're not close enough.

 

I think they are either looking for a leadoff hitter who can hit, or a middle of the order bat. They are hurting for a big bat in the middle. Guillen isn't the answer for them, unfortunatey....

[Brett]

Although I don't really see it happening, Penny is an option that intrigues me. Though the fact that he's struggling so much this year in a relatively pitcher-friendly park is disconcerting.

[badnews]

Brad Penny's 2007 looks real fluky to me. I've never bought the idea that he's an ace.

 

Still not understanding the interest in DeJesus.