Lou Pinella, What the hell are you doing?

[Tracer Bullet]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is worse than walking someone, are we?

[CuseCubFan69]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is better than walking someone, are we?

 

No. I'm talking about throwing strikes vs balls.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is better than walking someone, are we?

 

No. I'm talking about throwing strikes vs balls.

 

Are you? Because that involves the batter's choices as well and isn't purely on the pitcher. There is a way to get a good result out of a pitch outside the strike zone.

[Keener98]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

 

Well lets see What was the score when Hill left the game compared to when Lieber left the game, and then tell me where the bigger problem is.

[CuseCubFan69]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is better than walking someone, are we?

 

No. I'm talking about throwing strikes vs balls.

 

Are you? Because that involves the batter's choices as well and isn't purely on the pitcher. There is a way to get a good result out of a pitch outside the strike zone.

 

OK...how is Z doing this year since he improved his ball to strike ratio? #2..if you are around the plate you also have more of a chance. When a pitcher is way out of the strike zone you have none.

[CuseCubFan69]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

 

Well lets see What was the score when Hill left the game compared to when Lieber left the game, and then tell me where the bigger problem is.

 

The difference being a guy that shouldn't be starting and a pitcher who had a tough time finding the strike zone. When Hill was walking batters like that, what would you do in that game?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm honestly confused.

 

Are we talking about HRs vs. BBs, balls vs. strikes, pitches in the strike zone vs. pitches out of the strike zone, or pitches close to the strike zone vs. pitches nowhere near?

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm honestly confused.

 

Are we talking about HRs vs. BBs, balls vs. strikes, pitches in the strike zone vs. pitches out of the strike zone, or pitches close to the strike zone vs. pitches nowhere near?

 

My lord. Jeeze, I don't what is the better thing to give up a HR or a walk. Of course it's better to give up a walk. Think Ankiel, what is he doing right now? He wasn't close to the strike zone so he is no longer a pitcher. A pitcher that can not get ahead in the count and doesn't have a fastball he can hit in spots or maybe another pitch can not pitch that effectively in MLB. Walking batters or constantly being behind in the count is going to hurt about every pitcher in baseball.

[Keener98]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

 

Well lets see What was the score when Hill left the game compared to when Lieber left the game, and then tell me where the bigger problem is.

 

The difference being a guy that shouldn't be starting and a pitcher who had a tough time finding the strike zone. When Hill was walking batters like that, what would you do in that game?

 

My point is when Lieber is giving up shot after shot he gets to stay in the game and finish an inning, but while Hill struggles to find his location he is yanked. Which seems more likely, Hill gets one across the plate and they hit a grounder somewhere, or Lieber suddenly starts missing bats and quits giving up hit after hit?

[CuseCubFan69]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

 

Well lets see What was the score when Hill left the game compared to when Lieber left the game, and then tell me where the bigger problem is.

 

The difference being a guy that shouldn't be starting and a pitcher who had a tough time finding the strike zone. When Hill was walking batters like that, what would you do in that game?

 

My point is when Lieber is giving up shot after shot he gets to stay in the game and finish an inning, but while Hill struggles to find his location he is yanked. Which seems more likely, Hill gets one across the plate and they hit a grounder somewhere, or Lieber suddenly starts missing bats and quits giving up hit after hit?

 

I think both get taken out early. I would like to see the percentages of a guy like Hill being able to come back and throw strikes without grooving one and having that sent over the fence and for Lieber's rockets to find gloves instead of stands. The thing is, if Hill is behind. often he will go to the middle of the plate thus making those walks runs/hard hit balls. I think a past history of a pitcher should help decide if they can overcome the balls and start hitting their spots.

[CoolHandLuke]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is better than walking someone, are we?

 

No. I'm talking about throwing strikes vs balls.

 

Are you? Because that involves the batter's choices as well and isn't purely on the pitcher. There is a way to get a good result out of a pitch outside the strike zone.

 

OK...how is Z doing this year since he improved his ball to strike ratio? #2..if you are around the plate you also have more of a chance. When a pitcher is way out of the strike zone you have none.

 

Z's strike percentage is currently less than it was last year.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is better than walking someone, are we?

 

No. I'm talking about throwing strikes vs balls.

 

Are you? Because that involves the batter's choices as well and isn't purely on the pitcher. There is a way to get a good result out of a pitch outside the strike zone.

 

OK...how is Z doing this year since he improved his ball to strike ratio? #2..if you are around the plate you also have more of a chance. When a pitcher is way out of the strike zone you have none.

 

Z's strike percentage is currently less than it was last year.

it's actually about 2% higher

[CoolHandLuke]

So Lou pulls Rich Hill after walking 4 guys in 1 inning, but lets Leiber give up 4 Hr's in 1 inning, and continue to try to get thru the inning. Must be that veteran savvyness.

 

No defense in walks. Missals ain't good either but if you can't even throw a strike, you have problems.

 

We're not really arguing whether giving up a HR is better than walking someone, are we?

 

No. I'm talking about throwing strikes vs balls.

 

Are you? Because that involves the batter's choices as well and isn't purely on the pitcher. There is a way to get a good result out of a pitch outside the strike zone.

 

OK...how is Z doing this year since he improved his ball to strike ratio? #2..if you are around the plate you also have more of a chance. When a pitcher is way out of the strike zone you have none.

 

Z's strike percentage is currently less than it was last year.

it's actually about 2% higher

 

Yes, you are right and I am an idiot for looking at the wrong rows. :oops:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I am an idiot

the first step's admitting it

[CoolHandLuke]

I am an idiot

the first step's admitting it

:cry:

[bcl412]

So if Lou goes away sometime, who would be the ideal replacement? Are there any actual good managers in baseball?

[C.C.]

So if Lou goes away sometime, who would be the ideal replacement? Are there any actual good managers in baseball?

 

 

Bobby Cox and he ain't going anywhere.

[Keener98]

So if Lou goes away sometime, who would be the ideal replacement? Are there any actual good managers in baseball?

 

Bad thing is Lous not going away anytime soon. Id be interested in Trammal, and Sandburgs name would definately be mentioned when Lou finally does leave.

[bcl412]

So if Lou goes away sometime, who would be the ideal replacement? Are there any actual good managers in baseball?

 

Bad thing is Lous not going away anytime soon. Id be interested in Trammal, and Sandburgs name would definately be mentioned when Lou finally does leave.

 

I figured that. I am still praying that Cuban buys the team and cleans house next year (or basically fires Piniella and Hendry). Probably won't happen though. Of course, if we somehow win the WS I really don't care who sucks as manager.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Most managers do stupid things. Lou doesn't abuse his starters, which is the one thing I wanted above everything else in a new manager, so I find it hard to get on board the "get rid of Lou" train when many other managers would do the same things, or at least similar, and some with the added bonus of needlessly risking injury to our SP. Way to throw Volquez for 118 today Dusty!

[jersey cubs fan]

Most managers do stupid things. Lou doesn't abuse his starters, which is the one thing I wanted above everything else in a new manager, so I find it hard to get on board the "get rid of Lou" train when many other managers would do the same things, or at least similar, and some with the added bonus of needlessly risking injury to our SP. Way to throw Volquez for 118 today Dusty!

 

Yes, his explanation for taking out Z last night was enough to temper any calls for his ouster. Until I see a clear-cut improvement I can't see joining the crowd.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*With Dusty, anything was a clear-cut improvement.

[Sammy Sofa]

*With Dusty, anything was a clear-cut improvement.

 

From an F to a D.

[jersey cubs fan]

*With Dusty, anything was a clear-cut improvement.

 

From an F to a D.

 

You can graduate with a D.

[BigbadB]

Most managers do stupid things. Lou doesn't abuse his starters, which is the one thing I wanted above everything else in a new manager, so I find it hard to get on board the "get rid of Lou" train when many other managers would do the same things, or at least similar, and some with the added bonus of needlessly risking injury to our SP. Way to throw Volquez for 118 today Dusty!

 

Volquez threw 118 pitches with a 9 run lead. Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

Count me in as liking Lou a lot when comparing him with some of our previous managers.

[C.C.]

Most managers do stupid things. Lou doesn't abuse his starters, which is the one thing I wanted above everything else in a new manager, so I find it hard to get on board the "get rid of Lou" train when many other managers would do the same things, or at least similar, and some with the added bonus of needlessly risking injury to our SP. Way to throw Volquez for 118 today Dusty!

 

Volquez threw 118 pitches with a 9 run lead. Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

Count me in as liking Lou a lot when comparing him with some of our previous managers.

 

Or comparing him to most managers in baseball. Lou's fine...For now.