Re: Where's Meph? (Khalil Greene)

[XZero771679666304]

So what do we do when Reed starts hitting RH pitching the way he has for the rest of his career?

 

Or when Pie puts up better numbers than Johnson over a full season?

 

WE'D HAVE GREENE.

 

Dear Lord, it's not like they'd be trading away Pie for nothing.

 

We'd also have Reed Johnson as a full time CF. I'm not sure Pie + Cedeno is going to wind up as worse than Johnson + Greene. That's without even figuring trading away 2 players with another 9(?) years of team control to go with players with 2(?) years of team control.

 

 

Greene going to hit AT LEAST 15-20 homers with 70 RBI's. Can Pie and\or Cedeno match those numbers?

 

 

Put Greene in the central and he's good for 25-30 homers, and possibly 35, IMO.

 

This would be a perfect time to buy low as well.

[rawaction]

This trade will be perfect, because the Cubs will be getting Coco Crisp soon to be the LH platoon in CF. Throw in Roberts at 2B and that's a World Series team, baby!

[JimSorgi]

I think I just peed my pants.

[sneakypower]

hmmm. sign a guy at age 16. spend 7 years turning him into a terrific prospect, and after giving him 4 starts to prove himself trade him for a .222/.277/.293 guy about to hit FA next year. i think every time i feel depressed about Hendry's performance as a GM i'll read this thread and breath a sigh of relief that it could be far, far worse.

 

Put Greene in the central and he's good for 25-30 homers, and possibly 35, IMO.

only 35? hell- why not 54? or 70?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You know who would make a good platoon partner for Johnson? Josh Kroeger. It certainly wouldn't be super defensively, but with Wrigley's shallow alleys and plus defenders on either side, the offense would be worth it.

[abuck1220]

So what do we do when Reed starts hitting RH pitching the way he has for the rest of his career?

 

Or when Pie puts up better numbers than Johnson over a full season?

 

WE'D HAVE GREENE.

 

Dear Lord, it's not like they'd be trading away Pie for nothing.

 

We'd also have Reed Johnson as a full time CF. I'm not sure Pie + Cedeno is going to wind up as worse than Johnson + Greene. That's without even figuring trading away 2 players with another 9(?) years of team control to go with players with 2(?) years of team control.

 

Greene going to hit AT LEAST 15-20 homers with 70 RBI's. Can Pie and\or Cedeno match those numbers?

 

Yes.

 

you spelled "hell no" wrong.

 

and greene would hit more than 15 homers in the central.

[Hosak8]

How is Greene doing this year?

 

Well, his OPS is .570.

 

That is astonishingly bad.

[ReadytoPlayCF]

If I had to guess, Lou wouldn't mind getting Edmonds in the deal too as the LH CFer. The Padres would have to pay a lot of the salary, but I am guessing (hating the idea), but I think it is possible.

 

Greene/Edmonds/mid-level prospect for Pie/Cedeno.

 

(Greene is signed for this year and one more)

Edited April 29, 2008 by ReadytoPlayCF

[XZero771679666304]

hmmm. sign a guy at age 16. spend 7 years turning him into a terrific prospect, and after giving him 4 starts to prove himself trade him for a .222/.277/.293 guy about to hit FA next year. i think every time i feel depressed about Hendry's performance as a GM i'll read this thread and breath a sigh of relief that it could be far, far worse.

 

Put Greene in the central and he's good for 25-30 homers, and possibly 35, IMO.

only 35? hell- why not 54? or 70?

 

27 in Petco last year. Go from playing in Petco, Dodger Stadium, Pac Bell, etc. to Wrigley, MMP, GABP, Miller. All great parks for RH pull hitters. He already OPS' .150 higher on the road, almost all in SLG. 25-30 is very realistic, and 35 is high end.

 

 

Nothing unrealistic there.

 

Also, this isn't a vacuum. Sure, it's depressing to think about Pie being traded fro what could end up being a lesser player, but is it worse than watching him waste away in our system w/o getting a chance? I'm not sure, and I am not the least bit convinced he will ever get that chance with the Cubs.

Edited April 29, 2008 by XZero77

[Outshined_One]

Don't worry, Tyler Colvin will save us from Reed Johnson.

[JimSorgi]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

[sneakypower]

hmmm. sign a guy at age 16. spend 7 years turning him into a terrific prospect, and after giving him 4 starts to prove himself trade him for a .222/.277/.293 guy about to hit FA next year. i think every time i feel depressed about Hendry's performance as a GM i'll read this thread and breath a sigh of relief that it could be far, far worse.

 

Put Greene in the central and he's good for 25-30 homers, and possibly 35, IMO.

only 35? hell- why not 54? or 70?

 

27 in Petco last year. Go from playing in Petco, Dodger Stadium, Pac Bell, etc. to Wrigley, MMP, GABP, Miller. All great parks for RH pull hitters. He already OPS' .150 higher on the road, almost all in SLG. 25-30 is very realistic, and 35 is high end.

 

 

Nothing unrealistic there.

15, 15, 15, 27. which one of these doesn't belong? but maybe he figured out how to be a good hitter last year and changed his swing somehow. indications this year thus far don't really support that notion.

 

and by the way, he had 12 at petco last year as opposed to 15 on the road. his HR power wasn't really terribly thwarted.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's like he was entering his prime or something.

[sneakypower]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

[sneakypower]

It's like he was entering his prime or something.

or had a fluke good season inconsistent with his true talent

[Transmogrified Tiger]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

 

Tulowitzki plays in Coors 81 times, he hit .256/.327/.393/.719 away from home.

[XZero771679666304]

It's like he was entering his prime or something.

[XZero771679666304]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

 

Tulowitzki plays in Coors 81 times, he hit .256/.327/.393/.719 away from home.

 

And Greene plays in Petco and over the last 3 seasons, he has a .273/.328/.500 line away from home. An .828 OPS from a SS is really good.

[ReadytoPlayCF]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

 

Greene is signed through 2009. $4.5 M in 2008 and $6.5 M in 2009.

[rawaction]

How is Greene doing this year?

 

Well, his OPS is .570.

 

That is astonishingly bad.

 

Yep, and the 100 or so ABs he's had this year tell far more than his 5 year career to date.

[sneakypower]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

 

Tulowitzki plays in Coors 81 times, he hit .256/.327/.393/.719 away from home.

home games don't count anymore? i guess i havent been keeping up with all these rule changes. damn that bud selig.

 

Garrett Atkins also had a .254/.327/.446 road line too, which seems to indicate this guy blows as well. until you look at his road OPS in 2006 and notice it's virtually the same as his home OPS. but Tulowitzki only has one season of data which to look at and we can all think he's an inferior player to Khalil Greene because of a split which is really often fluky. everything I've seen when watching both players suggests differently.

[XZero771679666304]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that. But I guess if you want to play that game, I have a question for you. There's another SS putting up these numbers: .152/.226/.238 Do you think it would be dumb to trade for him? Well if so, you just turned down a trade for Troy Tulowitzki, wtg dude.

Tulowitzki as a rookie put up superior production to anything Greene's ever done. And he's not hitting FA next year asking for 8 figures per year.

 

Tulowitzki plays in Coors 81 times, he hit .256/.327/.393/.719 away from home.

home games don't count anymore? i guess i havent been keeping up with all these rule changes. damn that bud selig.

 

 

No, but when you play all your home games in park that inflates numbers dramatically across the board (Coors) of suppresses them dramatically across the board (Petco), your road numbers are more indicative of your "true talent". If you move a player from one of these parks to a more neutral home park, you can expect their overall numbers to move toward their road averages. Or if you move them to divisions with more hitter friendly (Central) you may even expect an increase.

 

Damn that empirical sense.

[sneakypower]

No, but when you play all your home games in park that inflates numbers dramatically across the board (Coors) of suppresses them dramatically across the board (Petco), your road numbers are more indicative of your "true talent". If you move a player from one of these parks to a more neutral home park, you can expect their overall numbers to move toward their road averages. Or if you move them to divisions with more hitter friendly (Central) you may even expect an increase.

 

Damn that empirical sense.

how exactly does Petco disable a player from hitting for average? if he's content hitting flyballs into fielders gloves every home game, he's an incredibly dumb baseball player. i'd like to ask why he hasn't changed his approach at home so that he's not a quintessential detriment to his team.

[abuck1220]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that.

 

you did?

[sneakypower]

.222/.277/.293 guy

You aren't really going to use this year's numbers to tell if a player's good or not, are you? I thought you were better than that.

 

you did?

good point, i committed the unforgivable sin in speaking an ill word about the NSBB messiah

 

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