Is it time to make Cedeno a starter?

[sneakypower]

he won't

 

lou prefers a guy he trusts to be #2 hitter

 

lets all belabor the point anyways and moan about a non issue that would have very marginal effect

 

Ronny over Theriot is not a marginal difference.

theriot has a .436 obp in the 2 spot

 

im content with that

[Jehrico]

he won't

 

lou prefers a guy he trusts to be #2 hitter

 

lets all belabor the point anyways and moan about a non issue that would have very marginal effect

 

Ronny over Theriot is not a marginal difference.

theriot has a .436 obp in the 2 spot

 

im content with that

Kosuke and Theriot/Cedeno for the top of the order, whichever order is fine with me. Kosuke is getting on base at a maddening clip, but he isn't driving in hardly any runs despite the three guys in front of him averaging over .400 in obp apiece.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The really stupid thing is that the Cubs know Fukudome is a 1-2 hitter with his skill set, but they insisted on batting him lower because Ramirez needed "protection." Meanwhile, Ramirez is being pitched around and junkballed worse than I've ever seen.

[TruffleShuffle]

Let's not forget Johnson's history. We aquired him after he was cut by another team. He's had an outstanding start, like Theriot has. But, like Theriot, it'd be a foolish move to expect him to continue performing at such a high level. He's 31, so his peak years are behind him. His career OPS+ is less than 100. Even after his hot start, his recent cool off has his OPS+ down in the 80s. He's not a good option to keep in the leadoff spot. He was hot, and Lou rode him in that position. That's what a good manager does, just don't confuse it for long term strategy. Theriot is somewhat similar situation, just with better reasonable projections than Reed.

 

Well written.

 

As a note, despite the hot start and cult hero status, Reed has a sub 700 OPS. .286/.367/.321 doesn't look all that bad thanks to the decent OBP, but that's not going to last. In addition, he's hitting .283/.322/.321 against RHP. Hopefully Lou stops being fooled by the brief hot streak and realizes who Reed Johnson is, a good option to hit against LHP, but nothing more.

 

agreed. giving reed johnson the lion's share of playing time in CF is more damaging to the cubs - both for this year and for the future of the team - than starting theriot most of the SS playing time over cedeno.

[Warpticon]

The really stupid thing is that the Cubs know Fukudome is a 1-2 hitter with his skill set, but they insisted on batting him lower because Ramirez needed "protection." Meanwhile, Ramirez is being pitched around and junkballed worse than I've ever seen.

 

And Soto bats 2-3 spots lower.

[Keener98]

Thread title needs changed to "When is the next time Cedeno will actually get a start"?

[Jon]

Lou's excuse will probably be that he needs to be held out in order to convert him to an outfielder.

 

He'll then get one start in center before that experiment is scrapped.

[nilodnayr]

he won't

 

lou prefers a guy he trusts to be #2 hitter

 

lets all belabor the point anyways and moan about a non issue that would have very marginal effect

 

Ronny over Theriot is not a marginal difference.

theriot has a .436 obp in the 2 spot

 

im content with that

 

And 2 days later its dropped 39 points...its bad enough to use a month of stats to make decisions let alone splitting that down to batting order.

[TruffleShuffle]

he won't

 

lou prefers a guy he trusts to be #2 hitter

 

lets all belabor the point anyways and moan about a non issue that would have very marginal effect

 

Ronny over Theriot is not a marginal difference.

theriot has a .436 obp in the 2 spot

 

im content with that

 

And 2 days later its dropped 39 points...its bad enough to use a month of stats to make decisions let alone splitting that down to batting order.

 

well, feel free to give this reminder to all the people in this thread who talk about cedeno having better stats this season.

[imb]

he won't

 

lou prefers a guy he trusts to be #2 hitter

 

lets all belabor the point anyways and moan about a non issue that would have very marginal effect

 

Ronny over Theriot is not a marginal difference.

theriot has a .436 obp in the 2 spot

 

im content with that

 

And 2 days later its dropped 39 points...its bad enough to use a month of stats to make decisions let alone splitting that down to batting order.

 

well, feel free to give this reminder to all the people in this thread who talk about cedeno having better stats this season.

 

I really can't understand what crazy bias is blinding you other than just desperately wanting to be right about something. If it was anyone else I don't think anyone would bat an eye, but you really should be better than this.

[nilodnayr]

he won't

 

lou prefers a guy he trusts to be #2 hitter

 

lets all belabor the point anyways and moan about a non issue that would have very marginal effect

 

Ronny over Theriot is not a marginal difference.

theriot has a .436 obp in the 2 spot

 

im content with that

 

And 2 days later its dropped 39 points...its bad enough to use a month of stats to make decisions let alone splitting that down to batting order.

 

well, feel free to give this reminder to all the people in this thread who talk about cedeno having better stats this season.

 

Absolutely, we should take each player's first month of stats in the context of their careers and what we project them to play like for the rest of the year.

 

BTW, Cedeno has a 3000 OPS as the #3 hitter.

[SouthSideRyan]

So anybody gonna make the lame joke that it's time to make him a starting pitcher? Jason Marquis sucks.

[sneakypower]

my whole point is that its ridiculous to complain so much about a player who's been very good so far

[nilodnayr]

my whole point is that its ridiculous to complain so much about a player who's been very good so far

 

I'll gladly take what Theriot has produced, but I'm also going to take it in its appropriate context in affecting what I think he'll produce from here on out.

[Rob]

my whole point is that its ridiculous to complain so much about a player who's been very good so far

 

His hitting has been very good (for him). Between the excessive baserunning gaffes and his defensive woes, the whole package has been less than spectacular.

 

Is it really so ridiculous to think that the Cubs should be playing the better player... not just the incumbent who has done pretty well?

[sneakypower]

right now i wouldn't have much issue with Lou playing either as the starter, Cedeno's numbers would probably have come down quite a bit if he had 2.5x the ABs and i'd imagine be fairly similar to Theriot's line right now. Cedeno's competition is performing well in all situations so there's a much less legitimate complaint to be made for his lack of playing time when compared to some other players who have been similarly slighted by Lou.

[SABR Gamer]

1. Fukudome (RF)

2. Cedeno (SS)

3. Lee (1B)

4. Ramirez (3B)

5. Soto ©

6. Soriano (LF)

7. DeRosa (2B)

8. Pie (CF)

 

or since Soriano batting that low is a stretch:

 

1. Fukudome (RF)

2. Cedeno (SS)

3. Lee (1B)

4. Ramirez (3B)

5. Soriano (LF)

6. Soto ©

7. DeRosa (2B)

8. Pie (CF)

 

and then to satisfy the Theriot lovers:

 

1. Fukudome (RF)

2. Cedeno (CF)

3. Lee (1B)

4. Ramirez (3B)

5. Soriano (LF)

6. Soto ©

7. DeRosa (2B)

8. Theriot (SS)

[Old Style]

I like this lineup:

 

1. Fukudome (RF)

2. Cedeno (SS)

3. Lee (1B)

4. Ramirez (3B)

5. Soriano (LF)

6. Soto ©

7. DeRosa (2B)

8. Pie (CF)

[Jehrico]

Are there any better 7-hitters in the league than DeRosa?

[David]

Are there any better 7-hitters in the league than DeRosa?

 

Yes. Geovany Soto, unfortunately.

[Jehrico]

Are there any better 7-hitters in the league than DeRosa?

 

Yes. Geovany Soto, unfortunately.

Soto isn't a 7-hitter, he's just misplaced.