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04/22 NY Mets (Figueroa) @ CUBS (Lilly) 1:20pm, CSN TV

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Ground out to Cedeno to end the threat. Lilly has been an escape artist today. Nice that his era is dropping, but each inning makes me feel less and less good about his performance today.
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Thank you, Ted. I can live with 3-1.
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Well, his WHIP for the day was 1.33 and considering how well the Mets had done thus far against lefties, I'd say he took a major step in the right direction today. I'm kind of glad Lou left him in there to get it figured out.
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i am so confused by all these walks. it's like we've been dropped into some alternate Cubs dimension

 

No kidding. Me too. I told Hendry today that he'll have the Baseball Prospectus writers on his speed dial pretty soon. This is culture shock.

Does Jim even know walks are a good thing?

 

after being so vehemently against hendry's lack of love for the base on balls, i've grown to believe that he is at least partially right in a sense:

 

walks are generally a symptom of being a good hitter. you can't really teach a hitter to be patient if he isn't already. when someone's isod goes up with age, it generally means that more and more pitchers are growing to respect his bat.

 

you can teach a young hitter some tricks regarding pitch recognition, but if his core processor isn't fast enough, there's no way that having him attempt to shrink his strike zone will net positive results. it will probably just end up ruining a perfectly serviceable baseball player.

 

great hitters walk a lot because they get pitched around.

Yeah that is true, I think the big thing that was working against Jim in many of our minds was the manager he hired hated walks.

 

very true.

 

And Jim shared that hatred. While he may be right that you can't teach overly aggressive hitters how to be patient, the fact remains he targetted overly aggressive hitters repeatedly and didn't give a rat's butt about their patience, pitch recognition, approach at the plate or anything else.

 

Jim was 100% pro-aggressive long before Dusty arrived. And he took 5 years as GM before even beginning to address a glaring problem that novices saw from the start (not to mention all the time as asst GM, and as the minor league boss).

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Nothing like giving up hits to Henry Blanco.
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after being so vehemently against hendry's lack of love for the base on balls, i've grown to believe that he is at least partially right in a sense:

 

walks are generally a symptom of being a good hitter. you can't really teach a hitter to be patient if he isn't already. when someone's isod goes up with age, it generally means that more and more pitchers are growing to respect his bat.

While I don't disagree with this post I think there is more to it than just getting walks. One thing that I really like about Fukudome isn't just the walks, but that he takes strikes early in the count if they are not his pitch. And that is the real difference I've seen witht he Cubs this year is that they wait for their pitch, and don't just swing at the first thing that is near the plate, i.e. what Dusty preached. This approach leads to more walks and more hits.

 

in my defense, you have heard only a fraction of my ideas on the matter.

 

i was always one of the big critics of dusty's "just get the ball in play" strategy. good hitters look for their pitch and drive the ball. they do not angle the ball to the left or the right or try to hit behind runners. if the pitch is on the outer third and they can drive it to the opposite firled, they do.

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lilly's WHIP this year is approaching gasoline price levels

 

i think oil is keeping pace. it closed at 119.90 a barrel today. awesome.

 

:confused: CNBC has oil at 118.12

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i am so confused by all these walks. it's like we've been dropped into some alternate Cubs dimension

 

No kidding. Me too. I told Hendry today that he'll have the Baseball Prospectus writers on his speed dial pretty soon. This is culture shock.

Does Jim even know walks are a good thing?

 

after being so vehemently against hendry's lack of love for the base on balls, i've grown to believe that he is at least partially right in a sense:

 

walks are generally a symptom of being a good hitter. you can't really teach a hitter to be patient if he isn't already. when someone's isod goes up with age, it generally means that more and more pitchers are growing to respect his bat.

 

you can teach a young hitter some tricks regarding pitch recognition, but if his core processor isn't fast enough, there's no way that having him attempt to shrink his strike zone will net positive results. it will probably just end up ruining a perfectly serviceable baseball player.

 

great hitters walk a lot because they get pitched around.

Yeah that is true, I think the big thing that was working against Jim in many of our minds was the manager he hired hated walks.

 

very true.

 

And Jim shared that hatred. While he may be right that you can't teach overly aggressive hitters how to be patient, the fact remains he targetted overly aggressive hitters repeatedly and didn't give a rat's butt about their patience, pitch recognition, approach at the plate or anything else.

 

before you posted it, i was thinking of this exactly. hendry is at fault for targeting impatient hitters. so, i agree with you as well.

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after being so vehemently against hendry's lack of love for the base on balls, i've grown to believe that he is at least partially right in a sense:

 

walks are generally a symptom of being a good hitter. you can't really teach a hitter to be patient if he isn't already. when someone's isod goes up with age, it generally means that more and more pitchers are growing to respect his bat.

While I don't disagree with this post I think there is more to it than just getting walks. One thing that I really like about Fukudome isn't just the walks, but that he takes strikes early in the count if they are not his pitch. And that is the real difference I've seen witht he Cubs this year is that they wait for their pitch, and don't just swing at the first thing that is near the plate, i.e. what Dusty preached. This approach leads to more walks and more hits.

 

in my defense, you have heard only a fraction of my ideas on the matter.

 

i was always one of the big critics of dusty's "just get the ball in play" strategy. good hitters look for their pitch and drive the ball. they do not angle the ball to the left or the right or try to hit behind runners. if the pitch is on the outer third and they can drive it to the opposite firled, they do.

I understand what you were getting at. I guess I was more using your post as a chance to write out something I had been thinking for quite a while.

 

On a completely unrelated matter with the lefty Schoenweis coming in to face Fontenot. I am calling Murton pinch hitting for Pie. Howry warming up in the pen.

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8-7 Brewers, Gagne in for the fifth time in six days (and he warmed up yesterday in the game he didn't pitch).

 

Plunks Izturis to lead off the inning.

After Izturis took stirke 3 for a called ball.

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8-7 Brewers, Gagne in for the fifth time in six days (and he warmed up yesterday in the game he didn't pitch).

 

Plunks Izturis to lead off the inning.

 

Sounds like he's trying to raise his 8.22 ERA.

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