Re: 2008 NBA Draft Thread - Early Entrants

[RynoRules]

No link because it's not remotely official (and not at all surprising_ but from someone I trust, Kevin Love will declare for the draft later this week. A formal announcement will be made after tomorrow's UCLA basketball banquet.

 

I know that people think Love's game will not translate to the NBA, but what does he have to lose? He'll just get picked at by scouts even more if he stays in college.

[Guest]

I think of a better shooting Jason Kidd.

[Guest]

as long as the Bulls don't go anywhere near Love or, shudder, Tyler Hansborough

Hansborugh can't go pro. He stays he becomes the ACCs all time scoring leader by a wide margin and UNC's. Besides the money, there is no reason for him to go pro.

 

fine with me. save Paxson from himself.

 

Actually Griffin staying in school truly saved Pax from himself. I hope Pax wakes up and trades up to get Rose. I know that is asking quite a bit, but that kid renminds me of AI.

 

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

 

No link because it's not remotely official (and not at all surprising_ but from someone I trust, Kevin Love will declare for the draft later this week. A formal announcement will be made after tomorrow's UCLA basketball banquet.

 

I know that people think Love's game will not translate to the NBA, but what does he have to lose? He'll just get picked at by scouts even more if he stays in college.

 

Agreed The things he need to work on (conditioning) he can do in the NBA or cannot control (jumping higher, growing taller). Plus he'd risk injury. Ben Howland was told he was an 8-15 pick in the draft by scouts, no point in sticking around if you're a lottery pick.

[Derwood]

isn't Rose a lot taller than AI/Kidd though?

[Exile on Waveland]

isn't Rose a lot taller than AI/Kidd though?

 

Jason Kidd is 6'4". Rose (6'3") is taller than Iverson (6'0") though.

[Guest]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

[Derwood]

isn't Rose a lot taller than AI/Kidd though?

 

Jason Kidd is 6'4". Rose (6'3") is taller than Iverson (6'0") though.

 

didn't realize Kidd was that tall. he and Nash always look shorter to me. I knew AI was short though

[Guest]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

 

He is.

 

To be fair, Kidd is a horrible shooter so it's not a surprise. And Jason's court vision and passing are amongst the best. But body type, speed while Kidd was in his prime, etc. are very similar. I'd take Rose over Beasley.

[illiniguy]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

 

He is.

 

To be fair, Kidd is a horrible shooter so it's not a surprise. And Jason's court vision and passing are amongst the best. But body type, speed while Kidd was in his prime, etc. are very similar. I'd take Rose over Beasley.

To be fair, I told you how good he was a month and a half ago and got ripped for it. Good to see you have came to your senses. Rose should be the first pick in this draft. Power forwards are there every year, but a great point guard is there every 5-10.

[Guest]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/8033432/Sources:-Beasley-leaving-K-State,-will-enter-draft

 

Beasley has an announcement at 5 pm CT, reports are that he will turn pro and hire an agent.

[wolf stansson]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

 

He is.

 

To be fair, Kidd is a horrible shooter so it's not a surprise. And Jason's court vision and passing are amongst the best. But body type, speed while Kidd was in his prime, etc. are very similar. I'd take Rose over Beasley.

To be fair, I told you how good he was a month and a half ago and got ripped for it. Good to see you have came to your senses. Rose should be the first pick in this draft. Power forwards are there every year, but a great point guard is there every 5-10.

I would be shocked if Derrick Rose ever became any kind of transcendent player, which is what a better shooting Jason Kidd would be (Oscar Robertson).

[TruffleShuffle]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/8033432/Sources:-Beasley-leaving-K-State,-will-enter-draft

 

Beasley has an announcement at 5 pm CT, reports are that he will turn pro and hire an agent.

 

least shocking news in history

[illiniguy]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

 

He is.

 

To be fair, Kidd is a horrible shooter so it's not a surprise. And Jason's court vision and passing are amongst the best. But body type, speed while Kidd was in his prime, etc. are very similar. I'd take Rose over Beasley.

To be fair, I told you how good he was a month and a half ago and got ripped for it. Good to see you have came to your senses. Rose should be the first pick in this draft. Power forwards are there every year, but a great point guard is there every 5-10.

I would be shocked if Derrick Rose ever became any kind of transcendent player, which is what a better shooting Jason Kidd would be (Oscar Robertson).

He might not, but I would be shocked if Beasley ever becomes a franchise player. At least a franchise player on a good team. Hell he barely was able to win 20 games in college.

[Outshined_One]

He might not, but I would be shocked if Beasley ever becomes a franchise player. At least a franchise player on a good team. Hell he barely was able to win 20 games in college.

 

I'm willing to give him a pass due to having a piss-poor coach and a mediocre supporting cast. I don't think he has the kind of "All Time Great" potential you'd hope for out of a #1 overall pick, but I think his floor is that of a solid, yet unspectacular, PF.

[illiniguy]

He might not, but I would be shocked if Beasley ever becomes a franchise player. At least a franchise player on a good team. Hell he barely was able to win 20 games in college.

 

I'm willing to give him a pass due to having a piss-poor coach and a mediocre supporting cast. I don't think he has the kind of "All Time Great" potential you'd hope for out of a #1 overall pick, but I think his floor is that of a solid, yet unspectacular, PF.

That is like the biggest myth ever. Bill Walker was the number 7 player in his class. Sutton was also a 5 star prospect. There was plenty of talent there. The coaching did suck, but come on.

[imb]

I would be shocked if Chris ever becomes a franchise player. At least a franchise player on a good team. Hell he barely was able to win 20 games in college his freshman year.

[Flames24Rulz]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

 

He is.

 

To be fair, Kidd is a horrible shooter so it's not a surprise. And Jason's court vision and passing are amongst the best. But body type, speed while Kidd was in his prime, etc. are very similar. I'd take Rose over Beasley.

To be fair, I told you how good he was a month and a half ago and got ripped for it. Good to see you have came to your senses. Rose should be the first pick in this draft. Power forwards are there every year, but a great point guard is there every 5-10.

I would be shocked if Derrick Rose ever became any kind of transcendent player, which is what a better shooting Jason Kidd would be (Oscar Robertson).

He might not, but I would be shocked if Beasley ever becomes a franchise player. At least a franchise player on a good team. Hell he barely was able to win 20 games in college.

 

Shocked is the word you're using? He's a good low-post scorer and he's an awesome shooter from outside 14 feet. His touch from the FT line for a bigger guy is remarkable. He's a great rebounder and he's pretty fundamentally sound on defense.

 

You also do realize that Beasley won a good amount of those games by himself, right? K-State had frontcourt talent, but their backcourt was miserable.

[mul21]

I think he's a better shooting Jason Kidd.

If so, that's one hell of a guard.

 

He is.

 

To be fair, Kidd is a horrible shooter so it's not a surprise. And Jason's court vision and passing are amongst the best. But body type, speed while Kidd was in his prime, etc. are very similar. I'd take Rose over Beasley.

To be fair, I told you how good he was a month and a half ago and got ripped for it. Good to see you have came to your senses. Rose should be the first pick in this draft. Power forwards are there every year, but a great point guard is there every 5-10.

I would be shocked if Derrick Rose ever became any kind of transcendent player, which is what a better shooting Jason Kidd would be (Oscar Robertson).

 

I'd be shocked if he doesn't become a guy who does for his team what Chris Paul and Deron Williams do, and maybe a little better. He's got better physical makeup than either of those 2 (bigger than Paul, faster than Williams) and if he develops his shooting a little more, which it looks to me like he will be able to do, he can easily be a franchise PG. Maybe not Oscar Robertson, but a fantastic NBA PG for a long time.

[wolf stansson]

I'd be shocked if he doesn't become a guy who does for his team what Chris Paul and Deron Williams do, and maybe a little better.

You're taking a piss, dude. In case you haven't been paying attention, Chris Paul is having one of the best seasons a pure point guard has ever had.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I'd be shocked if he doesn't become a guy who does for his team what Chris Paul and Deron Williams do, and maybe a little better.

You're taking a piss, dude. In case you haven't been paying attention, Chris Paul is having one of the best seasons a pure point guard has ever had.

 

for sure. I'm starting to think I might take Paul over Lebron(if I was building a team and could pick any young player in the NBA).

[snoodmonger]

He might not, but I would be shocked if Beasley ever becomes a franchise player. At least a franchise player on a good team. Hell he barely was able to win 20 games in college.

 

I'm willing to give him a pass due to having a piss-poor coach and a mediocre supporting cast. I don't think he has the kind of "All Time Great" potential you'd hope for out of a #1 overall pick, but I think his floor is that of a solid, yet unspectacular, PF.

That is like the biggest myth ever. Bill Walker was the number 7 player in his class. Sutton was also a 5 star prospect. There was plenty of talent there. The coaching did suck, but come on.

 

 

C'mon, dude. You and I both know:

 

A. Bill Walker has talent, but he's also an extreme head case. He completely disappeared in as many games as he contributed.

B. Dominique Sutton averaged 13.5 minutes/game, only played in 19 games, and wasn't really a factor this season.

 

The talent around Beasley just wasn't that good. What little there is was too young to be consistent/effective. That's not to say Rose won't be a better player. He probably will. But it's silly to belittle what Beasley did on the court.

 

I'm also curious to see how Rose will do against NBA quality PGs. He pushed around a lot of smaller guys throughout his college career. He won't be able to just physically dominate NBA guards like that.

[wolf stansson]

I'm also curious to see how Rose will do against NBA quality PGs. He pushed around a lot of smaller guys throughout his college career. He won't be able to just physically dominate NBA guards like that.

This is my gripe with him too. I have to bring up some intangibles, because I generally deal in quantifiable qualities, but Rose hasn't impressed me in games where he actually has to depend on anything beyond his physical superiority. He isn't a killer who can carry a team and I've never seen him exert himself and succeed.

[rawaction]

Rose could be a mix of a lot of things. Kidd's court vision. Paul's ability to make his teammates better. Wade's ability to clear out and score if needed. Ultimately, I think he will be very similar to Deron Williams, but better. Pretty similar in size. He's probably got better vision than Williams and is quicker, but may be a slightly lesser shooter. He seriously is a player that can come right into the NBA and make a bad team legit. I would not be surprised to see him put up 20 ppg, 5 rebs, 10 asts right off the bat.

[RynoRules]

Isn't Rose quite a bit skinnier than Kidd or Paul? I guess that is what made me jump to AI as a comparison, but I get that he sets up his teammates more than AI does or did. Perhaps Rose is more in the Paul or Williams mold. I love PG's like that and the Bulls would be wise to do what they have to do to trade up (if they don't some how get the first or second pick).

 

Beasley is setting up as the modern Derrick Coleman, IMO. If he is fortunate he could become a pre-meltdown Vin Baker.

[snoodmonger]

Rose could be a mix of a lot of things. Kidd's court vision. Paul's ability to make his teammates better. Wade's ability to clear out and score if needed. Ultimately, I think he will be very similar to Deron Williams, but better. Pretty similar in size. He's probably got better vision than Williams and is quicker, but may be a slightly lesser shooter. He seriously is a player that can come right into the NBA and make a bad team legit. I would not be surprised to see him put up 20 ppg, 5 rebs, 10 asts right off the bat.

 

I don't see him putting up Deron's numbers. I think deron is the better player.