Tigers Contact Cubs about Bullpen Help

[Post Count Padder]

Not advocating the trade, but Inge's last 3 years versus lefties:

 

.370/.504/.458

 

for a .962 OPS.

Do u have OBP and SLG backwards?

[MSG T]

Would anyone send the pieces reported for Roberts( Gallagher, Cedeno, Ceda, Veal) to Detroit for Renteria? Substituting Marmol for Gallagher.

[Post Count Padder]

Would anyone send the pieces reported for Roberts( Gallagher, Cedeno, Ceda, Veal) to Detroit for Renteria? Substituting Marmol for Gallagher.

Maybe Cedeno and Veal/ Gallagher and someone else.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I could see this as possibly being a bigger trade involving more than Renteria/Marmol but I'd be shocked if they dealt him. I see what you're saying and a Renteria + someone for Marmol/Theriot and a young arm might work for both teams.

 

Exactly. They contacted Hendry, not the other way around. If they want bullpen help, we can help them with that. If they need some salary relief to go along with bullpen help, we can help them with that as well. The salary relief allows them to spend even more to fix their pen. But, if Renteria is untouchable to Detroit, there's really nothing more to talk about. "Good luck, I hope you find the bullpen help you need from someone else."

 

Darn....it's too bad the Cubs didn't have a talent like Perez to shop to the Tigers!

 

Hendry better hope Theriot plays as well as he thinks he's going too because leaning on Soto and possibly Pie as well worries me quite a bit.

 

This really worries me too; counting on Therior is going to wind up being a big mistake, IMO. Combined w/ yet unproven players in Soto & Pie...well, the bottom half of the order (except for Theriot who it appears will be batting in the 2-spot for some ungodly reason) could be brutal. I'm guessing the Cubs will struggle to score runs, barring a couple trades.

[CuseCubFan69]

I could see this as possibly being a bigger trade involving more than Renteria/Marmol but I'd be shocked if they dealt him. I see what you're saying and a Renteria + someone for Marmol/Theriot and a young arm might work for both teams.

 

Exactly. They contacted Hendry, not the other way around. If they want bullpen help, we can help them with that. If they need some salary relief to go along with bullpen help, we can help them with that as well. The salary relief allows them to spend even more to fix their pen. But, if Renteria is untouchable to Detroit, there's really nothing more to talk about. "Good luck, I hope you find the bullpen help you need from someone else."

 

Darn....it's too bad the Cubs didn't have a talent like Perez to shop to the Tigers!

 

Hendry better hope Theriot plays as well as he thinks he's going too because leaning on Soto and possibly Pie as well worries me quite a bit.

 

This really worries me too; counting on Therior is going to wind up being a big mistake, IMO. Combined w/ yet unproven players in Soto & Pie...well, the bottom half of the order (except for Theriot who it appears will be batting in the 2-spot for some ungodly reason) could be brutal. I'm guessing the Cubs will struggle to score runs, barring a couple trades.

 

I really hope the young guys step up and if you add Soriano and his possible injury problems, this could be a tough year offensively.

[soonercub]

Inge playing shortstop for the Tigers today and has made a nice play or two.

[wade]

Inge playing shortstop for the Tigers today and has made a nice play or two.

 

I don't know if you're joking, but I think he was drafted as a shortstop out of college.

[RedFlash]

Would anyone send the pieces reported for Roberts( Gallagher, Cedeno, Ceda, Veal) to Detroit for Renteria? Substituting Marmol for Gallagher.

 

The Tigers just traded for Renteria this offseason, giving up two intriguing prospects (Jurgens, and Hernandez), so IMO the Tigers are not even considering trading Renteria. Not to mention they don't have anybody to replace Renteria at SS if they trade him (and remember they traded for Renteria so that they COULD move Guillen off of SS and onto 1B). So I seriously doubt the Tigers would be interested in trading Renteria for Marmo, unless they knew they had another deal for a starting SS in place.

 

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

[MSG T]

Would anyone send the pieces reported for Roberts( Gallagher, Cedeno, Ceda, Veal) to Detroit for Renteria? Substituting Marmol for Gallagher.

 

The Tigers just traded for Renteria this offseason, giving up two intriguing prospects (Jurgens, and Hernandez), so IMO the Tigers are not even considering trading Renteria. Not to mention they don't have anybody to replace Renteria at SS if they trade him (and remember they traded for Renteria so that they COULD move Guillen off of SS and onto 1B). So I seriously doubt the Tigers would be interested in trading Renteria for Marmo, unless they knew they had another deal for a starting SS in place.

 

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

Oh, I agree that I don't see them moving him, but going with the rest of the thread, I was just wondering what everyone's opinion, particularly those who know way more than I do, on what they'd be willing to give up for him. Considering he'd fill a need way more than the person talked about in the thread that won't die. I just wish Jim had inquired about Renteria BEFORE the Tigers got a hold of him.

[jersey cubs fan]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

[Backtobanks]

I could see this as possibly being a bigger trade involving more than Renteria/Marmol but I'd be shocked if they dealt him. I see what you're saying and a Renteria + someone for Marmol/Theriot and a young arm might work for both teams.

 

Exactly. They contacted Hendry, not the other way around. If they want bullpen help, we can help them with that. If they need some salary relief to go along with bullpen help, we can help them with that as well. The salary relief allows them to spend even more to fix their pen. But, if Renteria is untouchable to Detroit, there's really nothing more to talk about. "Good luck, I hope you find the bullpen help you need from someone else."

 

I can't see them dealing Renteria either, but you make a good point (they contacted Hendry, not the other way around). How about offering Marmol + Theriot + prospect for Renteria and Inge + cash. Saves them a ton of money and gives them their relief pitcher and replacement SS. They can afford the downgrade in offense. The Cubs get their starting SS and have Inge as a super-sub (including CF).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

 

 

I think the Cubs would say they need a right-handed outfielder that can play CF. I think we need an upgrade at SS and would like a better pitcher than what either Dempster or Marquis will add to the rotation.

[MSG T]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

 

Well, the Tigers have two guys that could fill the Cubs most glaring hole.

[Tracer Bullet]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

 

Well, the Tigers have two guys that could fill the Cubs most glaring hole.

 

A - Hendry doesn't seem to think it's a glaring hole.

 

B - So do the Yankees, but no one's suggesting that we trade for Cap'n Jetes or ARod.

 

The Tigers went out and got a SS early in the off-season b/c they recognized the need to get Guillen out of there (and simultaneously get rid of Casey) and added Renteria. I don't think they did that b/c they didn't think they'd get Cabrera - I think they went into the off-season with the intention of creating one of the best lineups in baseball. They replaced their holes at 3B and 1B and did just that. I just don't see how anyone can suggest with a straight face that Hendry call up DD and say "you want a RP? Give us Renteria or take a hike."

[BigbadB]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

 

Well, the Tigers have two guys that could fill the Cubs most glaring hole.

 

A - Hendry doesn't seem to think it's a glaring hole.

 

B - So do the Yankees, but no one's suggesting that we trade for Cap'n Jetes or ARod.

 

The Tigers went out and got a SS early in the off-season b/c they recognized the need to get Guillen out of there (and simultaneously get rid of Casey) and added Renteria. I don't think they did that b/c they didn't think they'd get Cabrera - I think they went into the off-season with the intention of creating one of the best lineups in baseball. They replaced their holes at 3B and 1B and did just that. I just don't see how anyone can suggest with a straight face that Hendry call up DD and say "you want a RP? Give us Renteria or take a hike."

 

No one is saying Hendry should do that. The Tigers called the Cubs for relief help. If they aren't willing to part with Renteria for bullpen help, farm help and salary relief help, then there's really nothing else to discuss.

[Tracer Bullet]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

 

Well, the Tigers have two guys that could fill the Cubs most glaring hole.

 

A - Hendry doesn't seem to think it's a glaring hole.

 

B - So do the Yankees, but no one's suggesting that we trade for Cap'n Jetes or ARod.

 

The Tigers went out and got a SS early in the off-season b/c they recognized the need to get Guillen out of there (and simultaneously get rid of Casey) and added Renteria. I don't think they did that b/c they didn't think they'd get Cabrera - I think they went into the off-season with the intention of creating one of the best lineups in baseball. They replaced their holes at 3B and 1B and did just that. I just don't see how anyone can suggest with a straight face that Hendry call up DD and say "you want a RP? Give us Renteria or take a hike."

 

No one is saying Hendry should do that. The Tigers called the Cubs for relief help. If they aren't willing to part with Renteria for bullpen help, farm help and salary relief help, then there's really nothing else to discuss.

 

Really? Sounds like you're suggesting DD is taking 8 seconds to answer a call from JH here. Otherwise, why does it take him 8 seconds to pick up the phone?

 

Okay, I timed how long it would take for Hendry to find out if Detroit would be willing to part with Renteria.

 

30 seconds. 8 seconds for Detroit's GM to pick up the phone, 12 seconds to explain that we have oodles of relievers but a need to upgrade SS and 10 seconds to decide whether Detroit is willing to part with their SS to improve their pen. If Hendry has 3 months worth of time to salivate over Brian Roberts, surely he has 30 seconds to ask about Renteria.

 

I have no problem with asking for Renteria (though I think it's a waste of time, even if it's 30 seconds), but I think you need to be prepared for a hearty laugh on the other end. If we had even an average SS to offer in return, it might make sense for DD to listen. But Hendry would only be able to get "Renter" out before Dave bursts into laughter.

[BigbadB]

Really? Sounds like you're suggesting DD is taking 8 seconds to answer a call from JH here. Otherwise, why does it take him 8 seconds to pick up the phone?

 

Hendry is returning Dombrowski's call in this scenario. It's the Tigers who are calling on us for relief help.

 

Or are you trying to tell me that Hendry initiated a call to the Tigers to see if they might need relief help?

 

And technically, Hendry gets the first laugh when Detroit asks for bullpen help. Yeah, doesn't just about every team in baseball need bullpen help?

[RedFlash]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, I don't see the Tigers and the Cubs as a match, because Detroit doesn't have what the Cubs need.

 

What do the Cubs need?

 

Well, the Tigers have two guys that could fill the Cubs most glaring hole.

 

Do they have a legit RH center to platoon with Pie? No, Marcus Thames doesn't count. Seeing as he is a corner OFer. Brandon Inge isn't much of a player. And I am not confident he could handle CF even on temp status. The only guy on their roster they may be interested in parting with to acquire bullpen help is Ryan Raburn. And he reminds me of a younger Mark DeRosa, with his ability to play just about every position. He has played 2B and 3B, and all three OF spots. He shown good pop last yr, so he might be worth a flier, if the Tigers would offer him. As for SS, there is no way they'd offer Renteria. He's off the table, unless they could land another SS, fairly quickly.

 

After it's been revealed that Giaterratino's (sp?) has been released, the Cubs and Detroit are not really a good match in a trade. Rayburn by himself isn't worth Weurtz, and the Tigers don't really have a decent enough SS outside of Renteria.

Edited March 21, 2008 by RedFlash

[wade]

I think Girraritano (sp?) was released by Detroit. If he's who I'm thinking of he dislocated his throwing arm and his MLB career is likely done.

[RammyFanny]

Not advocating the trade, but Inge's last 3 years versus lefties:

 

.370/.504/.458

 

for a .962 OPS.

Do u have OBP and SLG backwards?

 

Actually, I think the site I used is wrong. FoxSports.com's "splits" page is all screwed up. Check it out:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerSplits?categoryId=85122&seasonSelected=2&splitYearForm=Go

 

According to that, over the last 3 years he's hit .370 against lefties, and .314 against righties. Obviously some calculations must have went way wrong.

[Backtobanks]

If Hendry returns DD's call and gets laughed at for asking about Renteria, it probably won't be the first time Hendry got laughed at. On the chance he doesn't get laughed at, it might open a discussion with DD about a trade for Renteria. I think it's worth a shot. BTW, the reason it won't happen has nothing to do with Renteria, it is that Lou and Hendry are satisfied with Theriot.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Not advocating the trade, but Inge's last 3 years versus lefties:

 

.370/.504/.458

 

for a .962 OPS.

Do u have OBP and SLG backwards?

 

Actually, I think the site I used is wrong. FoxSports.com's "splits" page is all screwed up. Check it out:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerSplits?categoryId=85122&seasonSelected=2&splitYearForm=Go

 

According to that, over the last 3 years he's hit .370 against lefties, and .314 against righties. Obviously some calculations must have went way wrong.

he's at 282/364/464 vs LHP over the past 3 years, 242/305/407 vs RHP