Rosenthal: Murton for Byrd dead & trade status update

[Derwood]

i didn't realize that the old D-Rays GM was now running the Rangers

[nilodnayr]

i didn't realize that the old D-Rays GM was now running the Rangers

 

Hes now director of professional scouting for the Phillies.

 

But I know you were making a joke.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This isn't good news.

 

Link.

 

But, a club source indicated that the Cubs have recently re-engaged the Rangers because Hendry hasn't been able to land the extra outfielder he has been seeking.

 

"I made the decision to wait until spring training to get an outfielder who could play all three positions," Hendry said. "Now, it's time for me to get something done. I'd feel better about my contributions to the club if I could get something done this spring.

 

The Rangers have held firm on wanting one of the Cubs' top three pitching prospects, either Jose Ceda, Sean Gallagher or Donald Veal in addition to Murton.

 

Don't say no, Jim. Say Hell No!

[jersey cubs fan]

Why does this team continue to insist on putting itself in unnecessarily unfavorable positions with self inflicted mandates? This team doesn't need a backup OF who can play all 3 positions and bat RH by opening day. It just doesn't.

[UMFan83]

Why does this team continue to insist on putting itself in unnecessarily unfavorable positions with self inflicted mandates? This team doesn't need a backup OF who can play all 3 positions and bat RH by opening day. It just doesn't.

 

on some cases they have ridiculous self-inflicted mandatets, in others they let trades drag on for the better part of four months.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Rangers have held firm on wanting one of the Cubs' top three pitching prospects, either Jose Ceda, Sean Gallagher or Donald Veal in addition to Murton.

we are still talking about Marlon Byrd, right? Murton alone would be too steep of a price

[CubinNY]

Why does this team continue to insist on putting itself in unnecessarily unfavorable positions with self inflicted mandates? This team doesn't need a backup OF who can play all 3 positions and bat RH by opening day. It just doesn't.

 

on some cases they have ridiculous self-inflicted mandatets, in others they let trades drag on for the better part of four months.

I think you (by that I don't necessarily mean you specifically, but fans/news media) have let it drag on. My thinking the Cubs made an offer and left it on the table. The rest is mental tantric masturbation by fans and the media.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why does this team continue to insist on putting itself in unnecessarily unfavorable positions with self inflicted mandates? This team doesn't need a backup OF who can play all 3 positions and bat RH by opening day. It just doesn't.

 

on some cases they have ridiculous self-inflicted mandatets, in others they let trades drag on for the better part of four months.

I think you (by that I don't necessarily mean you specifically, but fans/news media) have let it drag on. My thinking the Cubs made an offer and left it on the table. The rest is mental masturbation by fans and the media.

 

You'd have to be a complete moron to leave an offer on the table that long.

[CubinNY]

Why does this team continue to insist on putting itself in unnecessarily unfavorable positions with self inflicted mandates? This team doesn't need a backup OF who can play all 3 positions and bat RH by opening day. It just doesn't.

 

on some cases they have ridiculous self-inflicted mandatets, in others they let trades drag on for the better part of four months.

I think you (by that I don't necessarily mean you specifically, but fans/news media) have let it drag on. My thinking the Cubs made an offer and left it on the table. The rest is mental masturbation by fans and the media.

 

You'd have to be a complete moron to leave an offer on the table that long.

And why is that? It's not like any of those players are going anywhere unless a trade is done. I fault Hendry for a lot of things, trying his best to make a trade isn't one of them.

[jersey cubs fan]

And why is that? It's not like any of those players are going anywhere unless a trade is done. I fault Hendry for a lot of things, trying his best to make a trade isn't one of them.

 

Negotiation 101. If Hendry made an offer 3 months ago and kept it on the table, he's a bigger moron that I thought.

[CuseCubFan69]

I blame Murton for not being able to play CF.

[CubinNY]

And why is that? It's not like any of those players are going anywhere unless a trade is done. I fault Hendry for a lot of things, trying his best to make a trade isn't one of them.

 

Negotiation 101. If Hendry made an offer 3 months ago and kept it on the table, he's a bigger moron that I thought.

That's just a ridiculous statement. How does it hurt? In what way does it negatively impact a team in Spring Training? This isn't some team sport where a wide receiver and QB have to get their timing down.

 

Hendry could have left the offer on the table and still attempted to make other deals. If one of the players is included in another deal, so what?

 

I'm not trying to defend Hendry here, I don't see the point of trading for Roberts. But the idea that Hendry is somehow being played as a sucker is just testosterone filled foolishness.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And talk about delusional fans, from the thread on http://www.newbergreport.com,

 

Why don't the Rangers throw in Laird along with Byrd and take Murton plus 2 out of Jose Ceda, Sean Gallagher or Donald Veal? Seems like a fair deal to me.

 

Link.

[Soul]

And why is that? It's not like any of those players are going anywhere unless a trade is done. I fault Hendry for a lot of things, trying his best to make a trade isn't one of them.

 

Negotiation 101. If Hendry made an offer 3 months ago and kept it on the table, he's a bigger moron that I thought.

 

Yeah, but once again, I don't think we really know that sort of thing. We're just hearing media jabber, it doesn't necessarily match up with the details of what happened behind the scenes.

[BigbadB]

What happened to Jeff Davanon and Reed Johnson? These guys don't require the Cubs to give up anyone to get them. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than overpaying for Byrd. Not to mention the fact that there will be a bunch more guys available through waivers in the next week or so.

 

Part of me wishes the Cubs would have gone after Cameron now, but Cameron definitely would have cut into Pie's development once his suspension was over.

 

At least if they picked up Cameron, they wouldn't have this urge to overpay for someone who isn't good enough to hold Cameron's jockstrap.

 

Why is Hendry even thinking of trading Murton anyway? Fukudome just had surgery and missed the remainder of the 2007 season in Japan. Soriano has been struggling with quad problems. There is no guarantee that either of them will stay healthy all year, so Murton provides nice protection in the event of an injury.

 

Hendry just pisses me off with these boneheaded ideas. "It's too bad Murton isn't left handed" and "It's too bad Murton can't play CF" are just a couple of examples of the boneheadedness of the Cubs GM. You know what I say to that? "It's too bad that Hendry is STILL the GM of this team".

 

Just grab DaVanon and call it a day, Hendry, you moron.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What happened to Jeff Davanon and Reed Johnson? These guys don't require the Cubs to give up anyone to get them. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than overpaying for Byrd. Not to mention the fact that there will be a bunch more guys available through waivers in the next week or so.

 

Part of me wishes the Cubs would have gone after Cameron now, but Cameron definitely would have cut into Pie's development once his suspension was over.

 

At least if they picked up Cameron, they wouldn't have this urge to overpay for someone who isn't good enough to hold Cameron's jockstrap.

 

Why is Hendry even thinking of trading Murton anyway? Fukudome just had surgery and missed the remainder of the 2007 season in Japan. Soriano has been struggling with quad problems. There is no guarantee that either of them will stay healthy all year, so Murton provides nice protection in the event of an injury.

 

Hendry just pisses me off with these boneheaded ideas. "It's too bad Murton isn't left handed" and "It's too bad Murton can't play CF" are just a couple of examples of the boneheadedness of the Cubs GM. You know what I say to that? "It's too bad that Hendry is STILL the GM of this team".

 

Just grab DaVanon and call it a day, Hendry, you moron.

 

My guess is Hendry still prefers Byrd to DaVannon or Johnson. So, he's willing to deal Murton to get him. (Personally, I'd rather have both Murton and Johnson.) Because of this, he probably called Daniels back one more time to see if he were any more reasonable than the last time. It appears that Daniels is overplaying the career year of Byrd.

[jersey cubs fan]

And why is that? It's not like any of those players are going anywhere unless a trade is done. I fault Hendry for a lot of things, trying his best to make a trade isn't one of them.

 

Negotiation 101. If Hendry made an offer 3 months ago and kept it on the table, he's a bigger moron that I thought.

 

Yeah, but once again, I don't think we really know that sort of thing. We're just hearing media jabber, it doesn't necessarily match up with the details of what happened behind the scenes.

 

Well I'm not the one who said this is what happened. Cubinny seems to think all the Roberts talk is fan/media nonsense, and that Hendry made one offer a few months ago and left it on the table. I'm saying I doubt that is the case because it would be incredibly stupid.

[Tracer Bullet]

What happened to Jeff Davanon and Reed Johnson? These guys don't require the Cubs to give up anyone to get them. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than overpaying for Byrd. Not to mention the fact that there will be a bunch more guys available through waivers in the next week or so.

 

Part of me wishes the Cubs would have gone after Cameron now, but Cameron definitely would have cut into Pie's development once his suspension was over.

 

At least if they picked up Cameron, they wouldn't have this urge to overpay for someone who isn't good enough to hold Cameron's jockstrap.

 

Why is Hendry even thinking of trading Murton anyway? Fukudome just had surgery and missed the remainder of the 2007 season in Japan. Soriano has been struggling with quad problems. There is no guarantee that either of them will stay healthy all year, so Murton provides nice protection in the event of an injury.

 

Hendry just pisses me off with these boneheaded ideas. "It's too bad Murton isn't left handed" and "It's too bad Murton can't play CF" are just a couple of examples of the boneheadedness of the Cubs GM. You know what I say to that? "It's too bad that Hendry is STILL the GM of this team".

 

Just grab DaVanon and call it a day, Hendry, you moron.

 

My guess is Hendry still prefers Byrd to DaVannon or Johnson. So, he's willing to deal Murton to get him. (Personally, I'd rather have both Murton and Johnson.) Because of this, he probably called Daniels back one more time to see if he were any more reasonable than the last time. It appears that Daniels is overplaying the career year of Byrd.

 

That's my guess too. I don't think JH is worried about a platoon as much as he's worried about Pie sucking. He wants someone who can platoon, but also step in full-time if Lou & Hendry deem Pie too sucky to play every day. Jim probably sees Byrd as that kind of player, but not Davanon or Johnson.

[Post Count Padder]

Obviously, Jimbo doesn't realize that Byrd sucks

[Tyrant]

Bruce Miles said on a roundtable discussion at Hire Jim Essian that the Cubs promised to trade Murton when they signed Fukudome:

 

http://hirejimessian.com/index.php/2008/03/25/preseason-round-table-part-i/

[Post Count Padder]

Bruce Miles said on a roundtable discussion at Hire Jim Essian that the Cubs promised to trade Murton when they signed Fukudome:

 

http://hirejimessian.com/index.php/2008/03/25/preseason-round-table-part-i/

Swell

[Abe Frohman]

I think it is wonderful that the Cubs have TWO corner OFers who CAN play CF, but we have two pretty decent corner OFers on the bench (Murton, Hoff) who can't fit in on this team because they CAN'T play CF.

 

Of course, Pie and Patterson are pretty decent options in CF - but since nobody is going to work, the Cubs have FIVE OFers who just seem to be square pegs....

[Derwood]

With the Johnson signing, this rumor should be dead and buried

[YearofDaCubs]

With the Johnson signing, this rumor should be dead and buried

Thankfully

[JeffH]

With the Johnson signing, this rumor should be dead and buried

 

An unnecessary dependent clause.