Bedard and Roberts to the Cubs back on?

[JWCUB]

There's no doubt in my mind that Bedard still ends up in Seattle.

 

I know it's against the religion of this board to say anything positive about Andy MacPhail, but perhaps this Bedard thing with Seattle has been drawn out because the Orioles wanted to see what the Twins got for Santana. My thinking is that MacPhail was tipped off by somebody in the league office over the weekend that the Santana trade would be going down soon, so he decided to wait it out.

 

I think we'll see Bedard dealt in the next 48 hours. My gut says Seattle too, but I wouldn't rule out a NL contender seeing as the Mets just improved themselves.

 

Maybe he wants to trade Bedard and Roberts for Santana. :lol:

 

Seriously, that explanation would make sense if they weren't getting some pretty nice prospects in the deal. But it seems like the players they were rumored to be getting from Seattle was about as good as they are going to get for Bedard.

 

There's another element to consider. The teams who lose out on the Santana derby can now switch gears and offer up prospects for Bedard.

 

But, the other 2 teams in the Santana derby were the Yanks and Sox. Would the O's want to trade Bedard within the division?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I think in the end, the Twins decided they didn't want Santana in the AL. The package Boston reportadly had on the table was much better

[JWCUB]

I think in the end, the Twins decided they didn't want Santana in the AL. The package Boston reportadly had on the table was much better

 

I'm hoping the O's don't want Bedard in the AL.

[David]

ok, this is what happend

 

Andy MacPhail orginally knew the Cubs wanted Roberts, but he wanted Hill so Hendry refused and then he offered Hill but wanted Bedard then MacPhail refused, so then Hendry tossed in Pie and Veal so this time time MacPhail agreed, but by that time Angelo's had veto'd the orginal deal that did not include Pie and Veal, so MacPhail had to go back to Angelo's with the updated deal from Hendry and Angelo's signed off, but then by that time they got another deal from Seattle, Andy got this deal together with Seatlle and it was all good to go and he brought it back to Angelo's who veto'd it because he was confused at this point and really didn't know what was going on, but Andy kept at Angelo's and after hours upon hours of explaining he finally got him to agree to the trade but by that time Seattle saw that the Mets got Santana for less so they balked at this trade offer, so now Andy is back and square one with Henry and the Cubs

 

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[BigbadB]

There's no doubt in my mind that Bedard still ends up in Seattle.

 

I know it's against the religion of this board to say anything positive about Andy MacPhail, but perhaps this Bedard thing with Seattle has been drawn out because the Orioles wanted to see what the Twins got for Santana. My thinking is that MacPhail was tipped off by somebody in the league office over the weekend that the Santana trade would be going down soon, so he decided to wait it out.

 

I think we'll see Bedard dealt in the next 48 hours. My gut says Seattle too, but I wouldn't rule out a NL contender seeing as the Mets just improved themselves.

 

Maybe he wants to trade Bedard and Roberts for Santana. :lol:

 

Seriously, that explanation would make sense if they weren't getting some pretty nice prospects in the deal. But it seems like the players they were rumored to be getting from Seattle was about as good as they are going to get for Bedard.

 

There's another element to consider. The teams who lose out on the Santana derby can now switch gears and offer up prospects for Bedard.

 

But, the other 2 teams in the Santana derby were the Yanks and Sox. Would the O's want to trade Bedard within the division?

 

If the package was good enough, it wouldn't matter to me where the player was getting dealt. If Boston offered up Buchholz, Ellsbury and Lowrie, I'd probably take that deal over what Seattle or the Cubs have to offer.

[SouthSideRyan]

There's no doubt in my mind that Bedard still ends up in Seattle.

 

I know it's against the religion of this board to say anything positive about Andy MacPhail, but perhaps this Bedard thing with Seattle has been drawn out because the Orioles wanted to see what the Twins got for Santana. My thinking is that MacPhail was tipped off by somebody in the league office over the weekend that the Santana trade would be going down soon, so he decided to wait it out.

 

I think we'll see Bedard dealt in the next 48 hours. My gut says Seattle too, but I wouldn't rule out a NL contender seeing as the Mets just improved themselves.

 

Maybe he wants to trade Bedard and Roberts for Santana. :lol:

 

Seriously, that explanation would make sense if they weren't getting some pretty nice prospects in the deal. But it seems like the players they were rumored to be getting from Seattle was about as good as they are going to get for Bedard.

 

There's another element to consider. The teams who lose out on the Santana derby can now switch gears and offer up prospects for Bedard.

 

 

If a team truly "lost out" on the Santana derby(as in their offer wasn't enough) then their offer was somewhere along the lines of a new jockstrap and some slightly used big league chew

[Clem Fandango]

If this happens, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but if it does I'm saying it here first:

 

Erik Bedard becomes Chicago's next Mark Prior. A pitcher with all the talent in the world and plenty of time to spend on the DL. Book it

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If this happens, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but if it does I'm saying it here first:

 

Erik Bedard becomes Chicago's next Mark Prior. A pitcher with all the talent in the world and plenty of time to spend on the DL. Book it

nah, Piniella has shown he has become somewhat cognicent(sp?) of watching young arms.

[Clem Fandango]

If this happens, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but if it does I'm saying it here first:

 

Erik Bedard becomes Chicago's next Mark Prior. A pitcher with all the talent in the world and plenty of time to spend on the DL. Book it

nah, Piniella has shown he has become somewhat cognicent(sp?) of watching young arms.

 

I'm not saying this in reference to Piniella's use of pitchers, I'm saying it in reference to Bedard's 3 out of 4 full major league seasons where he's spent time on the DL.

 

Not to mention the fact that he's only been great one of those years. Last year. When he was great for the 2nd half of the season. And he got injured.

 

I just think Bedard shouldn't be considered so spectacular when he was only amazing for 60IP last year, and has a history of injury problems.

 

For the record, I'd love to have him on the Cubs, but he's going to cost way too much, and I don't think he should because I feel he's overhyped. And because of that, I DON'T want him on the Cubs. If he didn't cost as much, I'd be all for it. Not that this will ever happen anyways, I don't believe a word of it

[Keener98]

There's no doubt in my mind that Bedard still ends up in Seattle.

 

I know it's against the religion of this board to say anything positive about Andy MacPhail, but perhaps this Bedard thing with Seattle has been drawn out because the Orioles wanted to see what the Twins got for Santana. My thinking is that MacPhail was tipped off by somebody in the league office over the weekend that the Santana trade would be going down soon, so he decided to wait it out.

 

I think we'll see Bedard dealt in the next 48 hours. My gut says Seattle too, but I wouldn't rule out a NL contender seeing as the Mets just improved themselves.

 

What NL contender?

 

Maybe Cincy? Perhaps Philly? The Dodgers are out after the Japanese guy they signed. Astros don't have enough to pry loose a Mike Hampton much less Bedard. Maybe St. Louis. The ONLY 3 NL contenders (or possible contenders) for Bedard would be Cubs/Cards/Reds. So, I agree with a couple of other guys, and say Bedard stays in the AL.

 

The Cardinals and Reds are contenders?

[RammyFanny]

"We continue to talk," MacPhail said when asked about the proposed deal that would send Bedard to Seattle for a package that includes center fielder Adam Jones, reliever George Sherrill and pitching prospect Chris Tillman. "We've had some other clubs chime in as well."

The Orioles have listened to inquiries for Bedard for more than two months, hearing from about a dozen teams. The Mariners, Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Dodgers and New York Mets were believed to be the front-runners.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-bedard0130,0,7596411.story

[anabiono]

i love always being the dark horse

[DeuceBaseman]

I think the Mariners are offering more for Bedard than the Twins got for Santana. That being said, I dont think Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Butler and Mickolio is that great. I think it is similar to Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, and Hart. Then you trade Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson for Roberts. You then get to keep Hill, keep Colvin, Vitters, Marmol, Samardjiza, Ceda and a lot of other young players. Sure that's a lot to give up but your teams gonna be pretty damn good the next 2 years and beyond. Bedard and Roberts for Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, Hart, Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson. I would do it if I were the Cubs GM and the Orioles GM, and I'm sure most of you would disagree and say that is WAY too much to give up for those 2. Even though not one of them would really affect our team at all this year.

[anabiono]

I think the Mariners are offering more for Bedard than the Twins got for Santana. That being said, I dont think Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Butler and Mickolio is that great. I think it is similar to Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, and Hart. Then you trade Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson for Roberts. You then get to keep Hill, keep Colvin, Vitters, Marmol, Samardjiza, Ceda and a lot of other young players. Sure that's a lot to give up but your teams gonna be pretty damn good the next 2 years and beyond. Bedard and Roberts for Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, Hart, Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson. I would do it if I were the Cubs GM and the Orioles GM, and I'm sure most of you would disagree and say that is WAY too much to give up for those 2. Even though not one of them would really affect our team at all this year.

 

true dat brotha!

[CubColtPacer]

I think the Mariners are offering more for Bedard than the Twins got for Santana. That being said, I dont think Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Butler and Mickolio is that great. I think it is similar to Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, and Hart. Then you trade Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson for Roberts. You then get to keep Hill, keep Colvin, Vitters, Marmol, Samardjiza, Ceda and a lot of other young players. Sure that's a lot to give up but your teams gonna be pretty damn good the next 2 years and beyond. Bedard and Roberts for Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, Hart, Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson. I would do it if I were the Cubs GM and the Orioles GM, and I'm sure most of you would disagree and say that is WAY too much to give up for those 2. Even though not one of them would really affect our team at all this year.

 

Not at all. I would love to do that deal. I don't think the Orioles would take it for these reasons:

 

1) 8 of the 9 Cubs players would have to go on the Orioles 40 man roster. That's 6 extra spots they would have to find places for, and that's not easy to do. In the Mariners deal, I believe only 2 of the 5 have to go on the 40 man roster, which is a lot better for the Orioles.

2) Most of the Mariners are very young players who have very high upsides, but may never make the majors. They won't be good until the Orioles are finished rebuilding. In the Cubs deal, 6 of the 9 players are decent major league ready players (Dempster, Hart, Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson). The Orioles want players who can be impact players in 2010 and beyond, and the Cubs deal doesn't have enough of that, even with the additions of Pie and Gallagher. Most of the value in players like Marshall and Murton are in the fact that they can play now rather than a huge potential impact like the Mariners deal might bring.

 

The overall value of the packages may be similar, but the Mariners package fits a lot better with the Orioles plan to rebuild and now worry about 2008 or 2009.

[DeuceBaseman]

I think the Mariners are offering more for Bedard than the Twins got for Santana. That being said, I dont think Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Butler and Mickolio is that great. I think it is similar to Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, and Hart. Then you trade Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson for Roberts. You then get to keep Hill, keep Colvin, Vitters, Marmol, Samardjiza, Ceda and a lot of other young players. Sure that's a lot to give up but your teams gonna be pretty damn good the next 2 years and beyond. Bedard and Roberts for Pie, Gallagher, Dempster, Veal, Hart, Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson. I would do it if I were the Cubs GM and the Orioles GM, and I'm sure most of you would disagree and say that is WAY too much to give up for those 2. Even though not one of them would really affect our team at all this year.

 

Not at all. I would love to do that deal. I don't think the Orioles would take it for these reasons:

 

1) 8 of the 9 Cubs players would have to go on the Orioles 40 man roster. That's 6 extra spots they would have to find places for, and that's not easy to do. In the Mariners deal, I believe only 2 of the 5 have to go on the 40 man roster, which is a lot better for the Orioles.

2) Most of the Mariners are very young players who have very high upsides, but may never make the majors. They won't be good until the Orioles are finished rebuilding. In the Cubs deal, 6 of the 9 players are decent major league ready players (Dempster, Hart, Murton, Cedeno, Marshall, and Patterson). The Orioles want players who can be impact players in 2010 and beyond, and the Cubs deal doesn't have enough of that, even with the additions of Pie and Gallagher. Most of the value in players like Marshall and Murton are in the fact that they can play now rather than a huge potential impact like the Mariners deal might bring.

 

The overall value of the packages may be similar, but the Mariners package fits a lot better with the Orioles plan to rebuild and now worry about 2008 or 2009.

 

Makes sense. I think the Mariners/Orioles deal will happen anyway. And hopefully we can get Roberts without giving up Pie.

[Mephistopheles]

Do you even know who Chris Tillman is?

[pitchcs]

If this happens, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but if it does I'm saying it here first:

 

Erik Bedard becomes Chicago's next Mark Prior. A pitcher with all the talent in the world and plenty of time to spend on the DL. Book it

nah, Piniella has shown he has become somewhat cognicent(sp?) of watching young arms.

 

Bedard isn't even young.

[RedFlash]

There's no doubt in my mind that Bedard still ends up in Seattle.

 

I know it's against the religion of this board to say anything positive about Andy MacPhail, but perhaps this Bedard thing with Seattle has been drawn out because the Orioles wanted to see what the Twins got for Santana. My thinking is that MacPhail was tipped off by somebody in the league office over the weekend that the Santana trade would be going down soon, so he decided to wait it out.

 

I think we'll see Bedard dealt in the next 48 hours. My gut says Seattle too, but I wouldn't rule out a NL contender seeing as the Mets just improved themselves.

 

What NL contender?

 

Maybe Cincy? Perhaps Philly? The Dodgers are out after the Japanese guy they signed. Astros don't have enough to pry loose a Mike Hampton much less Bedard. Maybe St. Louis. The ONLY 3 NL contenders (or possible contenders) for Bedard would be Cubs/Cards/Reds. So, I agree with a couple of other guys, and say Bedard stays in the AL.

 

The Cardinals and Reds are contenders?

 

Can you name an "NL Contender" that would be interested in acquiring Bedard?

[Mephistopheles]

If this happens, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but if it does I'm saying it here first:

 

Erik Bedard becomes Chicago's next Mark Prior. A pitcher with all the talent in the world and plenty of time to spend on the DL. Book it

nah, Piniella has shown he has become somewhat cognicent(sp?) of watching young arms.

 

Bedard isn't even young.

 

hes a year older than hill.

[Rob]

Do you even know who Chris Tillman is?

 

A frighteningly inconsistent pitcher?

[Mephistopheles]

Is there even any conceivable way we could get Bedard and Roberts without giving up Hill?

 

I can't really see it at all. But Meph did propose an idea before (not remembering what the deal was right now).

 

I might have made an idea for Bedard but without Roberts. I don't recall coming up with one with Bedard and Roberts.

 

We'd probably have to go something like Felix Pie, Carlos Marmol, Sean Marshall/Sean Gallagher, Ronny Cedeno, Matt Murton and on of {Veal, Gallagher/Marshall, anyone else in the system}. Still in the end lots of spare parts for Bedard and Roberts.

 

 

I know I remember something... lemme see.

 

 

Oh, it was including Hill, my bad.

 

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45628&p=1651723#p1651723

 

fine trade for brian roberts and erik bedard allowing hill and pie to go, but then trade for khalil greene with murton +, sign kenny lofton and ill be happy. i could care less about getting roberts and bedard, it's probably a wash trade but man oh man it's worth getting a real SS.

 

 

One alternative is a trade of Matt Murton to the Padres in exchange for a B prospect, like Will Inman. Inman and Tillman are fairly interchangeable (Tillman's better, Inmans more of a sure thing and Inman is an example it could be Matt Latos if we sent a decent prospect (say Chris Huseby)). We then turn around and package Felix Pie who is comparable to Adam Jones, Will Inman/Matt Latos who is comparable to Chris Tillman, Donald Veal who is comparable to Tony Butler, and then we can throw in Sean Gallagher and I guess Cedeno to beat their deal and add Roberts.

 

It's contingent on the Padres liking Murton enough to pry (hopefully) Matt Latos out of them.

 

Padres Get:

Matt Murton, OF

 

Cubs Get:

Erik Bedard, LHP

Brian Roberts, 2B

 

Orioles Get:

Felix Pie, OF

Matt Latos, RHP

Sean Gallagher, RHP

Sean Marshall, LHP

Donald Veal, LHP

Ronny Cedeno, SS

 

I guess it's possible. The Cubs system would be basically Geovany Soto and a bunch of decent guys under 21 or under but given the Cubs commitments to Zambrano, Lilly, and Hill and now Bedard, they won't need a quality pitcher from the system until 2010. They can draft that guy this year and he ought to be ready by then (Tyson Ross, etc). The Cubs have similar commitments across the outfield outside of CF. Which would be a glaring hole, but Colvin's still there (and pretty much the only decent prospect above A ball). We have lots of commitments around the infield. Our near term farm system would be thinned out completely, but we really don't need it. Why not trade it? Most of the guys are blocked anyway.

 

It'd be nicer to just get Bedard with taking out Cedeno and Latos and adding say Chris Huseby or whoever and then hoping Murton and Cedeno is enough for Khalil (it isn't), but we're not even on Khalil's tail

Edited January 30, 2008 by Mephistopheles

[RynoHawk23]

The reason the Mariners are giving up more talent to get Bedard is because he is controllable for two years in arbitration. The Mets are paying dearly in a different way - money. They essentially have depleted their farm system and now are going to pony up around $120-150 million. The Twins over played their hand and got screwed. Should have taken a Phil Hughes deal or an Ellsbury deal.

[pitchcs]

If this happens, and I'm fairly certain it won't, but if it does I'm saying it here first:

 

Erik Bedard becomes Chicago's next Mark Prior. A pitcher with all the talent in the world and plenty of time to spend on the DL. Book it

nah, Piniella has shown he has become somewhat cognicent(sp?) of watching young arms.

 

Bedard isn't even young.

 

hes a year older than hill.

 

Right, he'll be 29 this year and in his 5th full year in the bigs. I don't consider that 'young'.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

The Cubs better damn well get Bedard and Roberts, especially now, that they didn't land Santana. Man, I hope I can get over this. I'm calling Hendry tomorrow and I'm going to ask him why the Cubs didn't get Santana.