Ugh, I already have to start dealing with sox fans

[Chicago657]

Man this sucks. They already think they are better than the Cubs. I bring up one point, they bring up the WS in 05. Whenever I make a perfectly valid arguement they either jump straight to their WS or the fact that AL>NL. Sure the Cubs wouldn't make the playoffs and would probably be third or fourth in the AL Central, but they would still obliterate the Sox. The Sox couldn't even get second in "the horrible NL Central". I bring up how the Cubs beat them in the last season series 5-1 and they just brush it off and change the subject. Im sick of making perfectly valid arguements and then them going straight to stupid homer arguements. Their WS is almost as irrelevant as the last Cubs WS. Its getting to the point where I wish the teams in the NL Central were better and more competitive so I don't have to listen to their **** arguements, even if it means we would have to do a lot better to make the playoffs. Someone comfort me

[inari]

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[JonnyRed]

Just bring up that the Cubs won the World Series in 1908...both championships are in the past.

[NewUserName]

I am not sure the Cubs are a better team than the White Sox.

[UMFan83]

I think all these Cubs fans assuming the Sox are going to be terrible this season might be surprised. If a couple of things break right, they could be pretty good.

 

Cabrera, SS

Swisher, CF

Konerko, 1B

Thome, DH

Dye, RF

Crede, 3B

Fields, LF

Pierzynski, C

Richar, 2B

 

Buehrle

Vazquez

Danks

Contreras

Floyd

 

Jenks, CL

Dotel, SU

Linebrink, SU

MacDougal, MR

Thornton, MR

Logan, MR/LR

 

 

Quentin, 4th OF

Alexi Ramirez, UTIL

Owens, OF

Uribe, IF

Hall, C

 

I mean thats a really solid 25 man roster overall. Probably won't win the Central, but honestly it pains me to say this but it can compare favorably with the Cubs.

 

The only problem might be that they don't have anyone to play the Leadoff Position.

Edited January 23, 2008 by UMFan83

[Derwood]

i find a well placed CP always does the trick

[SouthSideRyan]

Just move to Chicago?

 

And that White Sox OF defense might be the worst OF defense known to man. Rodriguez/Sosa/Hill bad.

[Garage Party]

Why are you coming in contact with Sox fans? Where do you work, a meth lab? Stop talking to them.

[David]

Their rotation is horrific.

[UMFan83]

Their rotation is horrific.

 

It's not horrible. It all depends on what Buehrle shows up. The Buehlre of 2004,2005 and 2007 is borderline ace material. Vazquez was probably their best pitcher last season and is a very solid number 2. Danks was one of the top prospects in baseball before last season, and I would be really surprised if he DIDN'T make a big leap this year. Floyd was pretty highly regarded too but less of a sure thing. Finally, Contreras is pretty bad, but if the Sox show any signs of life with the first 3 pitchers and the lineup and pen, they will make the necessary moves. They have Crede, Uribe, and any of their OFs as trade bait (I say any of the OFs because they can probably but Carlos Quinten in there).

 

Anyways, like I said they are probably not going to win the Central, but I think Cubs fans, and fans around baseball in general are really underestimating them because of all the scorn that was given to Kenny Williams after he failed to get any FA OFs. Since then he has traded for Swisher, signed Alexi Ramirez, and Octavio Dotel to go along with his other moves of signing Linebrink and trading for Orlando Cabrera and Carlos Quinten. The only major piece they have really lost is Garland (not including the deprevation of their farm system which is another topic).

[javy knows my name]

Their pitching is bad. Their defense is really bad.

How does that saying go again?

[XZero771679666304]

Their pitching is bad. Their defense is really bad.

How does that saying go again?

 

And they play in the same division as the Indian and Tigers.

[Outshined_One]

Their pitching is bad. Their defense is really bad.

How does that saying go again?

 

And they play in the same division as the Indian and Tigers.

 

And Twins. Don't forget the Twins.

[Backtobanks]

I think all these Cubs fans assuming the Sox are going to be terrible this season might be surprised. If a couple of things break right, they could be pretty good.

 

Cabrera, SS

Swisher, CF

Konerko, 1B

Thome, DH

Dye, RF

Crede, 3B

Fields, LF

Pierzynski, C

Richar, 2B

 

Buehrle

Vazquez

Danks

Contreras

Floyd

 

Jenks, CL

Dotel, SU

Linebrink, SU

MacDougal, MR

Thornton, MR

Logan, MR/LR

 

 

Quentin, 4th OF

Alexi Ramirez, UTIL

Owens, OF

Uribe, IF

Hall, C

 

I mean thats a really solid 25 man roster overall. Probably won't win the Central, but honestly it pains me to say this but it can compare favorably with the Cubs.

 

The only problem might be that they don't have anyone to play the Leadoff Position.

 

How in the world do they match up with the Cubs? They're better at SS and CF. They have 2 starters, 2 setup men, and a closer for pitchers. They will be fighting the Twins for 3rd place, miles behind the Tigers and Indians.

[XZero771679666304]

Their pitching is bad. Their defense is really bad.

How does that saying go again?

 

And they play in the same division as the Indian and Tigers.

 

And Twins. Don't forget the Twins.

 

 

I didn't. The Twins will likely get the better of them, but the Tigers and Tribe are gonna lay the lumber on the Sox.

 

The Sox are a fourth place team in 2008.

[UMFan83]

I think all these Cubs fans assuming the Sox are going to be terrible this season might be surprised. If a couple of things break right, they could be pretty good.

 

Cabrera, SS

Swisher, CF

Konerko, 1B

Thome, DH

Dye, RF

Crede, 3B

Fields, LF

Pierzynski, C

Richar, 2B

 

Buehrle

Vazquez

Danks

Contreras

Floyd

 

Jenks, CL

Dotel, SU

Linebrink, SU

MacDougal, MR

Thornton, MR

Logan, MR/LR

 

 

Quentin, 4th OF

Alexi Ramirez, UTIL

Owens, OF

Uribe, IF

Hall, C

 

I mean thats a really solid 25 man roster overall. Probably won't win the Central, but honestly it pains me to say this but it can compare favorably with the Cubs.

 

The only problem might be that they don't have anyone to play the Leadoff Position.

 

How in the world do they match up with the Cubs? They're better at SS and CF. They have 2 starters, 2 setup men, and a closer for pitchers. They will be fighting the Twins for 3rd place, miles behind the Tigers and Indians.

 

They could easily match up with the Cubs. The main problem is that their "core" (Thome, Konerko, Dye) is aging. If they put up 2006 numbers again, they are easily as good as the Cubs "core" (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano) Then you can compare Swisher and Fukudome, Pierzynski and Soto, Richar and Theriot, Cabrera and DeRosa, etc.

 

Bullpens are a crapshoot, and the Sox was awful last season, but they made some decent acquisitions and it should be enough to give them a decent pen. The rotation is a little thin, but like I said, lots of potential there. Remember that I didn't say that they were going to be better than the Cubs, I said they have the potential to be compare with the Cubs. Like people have pointed out they have pretty bad D, so that might be their big drawback, but they also have a very deep and experienced bench.

[VanceJergins]

I mean thats a really solid 25 man roster overall. Probably won't win the Central, but honestly it pains me to say this but it can compare favorably with the Cubs.

 

The only problem might be that they don't have anyone to play the Leadoff Position.

 

With the Indians and Tigers in their division, "probably" doesn't belong in that sentence.

 

And comparing them to the Cubs:

(factoring in defense)

LF: Soriano > Fields

CF: Pie < Swisher

RF: Fukudome = Dye (can't really know yet, could go either way)

1B: Lee > Konerko

2B: DeRosa > Richar

SS: Theriot < Cabrera

3B: Ramirez >> Crede

C: Soto = Pierzynski (I would bet on Soto being better, but I'll be safe and say equal)

 

The White Sox have more question marks in their rotation, so I'd give the edge to the Cubs

The Cubs bullpen should be significantly better.

The Sox do have a much better bench.

 

A lot of this is just my opinion, but I'd say the Cubs easily have the better team.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd bet money on Soto and Fukudome outperforming their counterparts on offense. Factoring in defense makes it no contest.

[JonnyRed]

I don't know how 3 starters with 5+ ERAs can be described as anything but bad. Plus, And despite spending $10M on two middle-relievers, the bullpen (besides Jenks) still sucks. Add in the AL Central and the Sox will be battling for 3rd place.

[UMFan83]

I don't know how 3 starters with 5+ ERAs can be described as anything but bad. Plus, And despite spending $10M on two middle-relievers, the bullpen (besides Jenks) still sucks. Add in the AL Central and the Sox will be battling for 3rd place.

 

When 2 of those starters are highly regarded, one being one of the highest regarded prospects in baseball last season, it makes sense. Again, I'm not saying that they can even compete in the Central, I am only saying that they can compete with the Cubs, currently a mediocre team playing in the worst division in the worst league in baseball..

[PackLandVA]

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I do this regularly!!!

 

The thing I find amazing about Sox fans is this: Yes, they won the WS in '05 (just as the Cubs did in '08). But they somehow think that they suddenly have this rich tradition of winning. What the hell has that organization done before or after '05???? They caught lightning in a bottle that season, much like the Cubs did in '03, only with better results. They were abysmal a few years earlier and two years later. With the exception of '05, that franchise has nothing to hang its hat on!!

[BCVM22]

Meh. Look at it this way; it's one of those annual signs that baseball's on its way back. All's we need now is some warm weather, some sunshine and Cardinals fans declaring "PUJOLS FOR MVP CUBS SUCK !"

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't know how 3 starters with 5+ ERAs can be described as anything but bad. Plus, And despite spending $10M on two middle-relievers, the bullpen (besides Jenks) still sucks. Add in the AL Central and the Sox will be battling for 3rd place.

 

When 2 of those starters are highly regarded, one being one of the highest regarded prospects in baseball last season, it makes sense. Again, I'm not saying that they can even compete in the Central, I am only saying that they can compete with the Cubs, currently a mediocre team playing in the worst division in the worst league in baseball..

 

The last time Gavin Floyd was highly regarded Alex Gonzalez was our starting SS.

[snoodmonger]

Why are you coming in contact with Sox fans?

 

He lives in kenny Williams's basement.

[JonnyRed]

I don't know how 3 starters with 5+ ERAs can be described as anything but bad. Plus, And despite spending $10M on two middle-relievers, the bullpen (besides Jenks) still sucks. Add in the AL Central and the Sox will be battling for 3rd place.

 

When 2 of those starters are highly regarded, one being one of the highest regarded prospects in baseball last season, it makes sense. Again, I'm not saying that they can even compete in the Central, I am only saying that they can compete with the Cubs, currently a mediocre team playing in the worst division in the worst league in baseball..

 

I'd take the Cubs rotation in a heartbeat....Kenny Williams has to hope that all three of his very questionable back end pitchers come through, because the minors are now bare and the bullpen is still on the weak side.

 

If you can call a division champ with 5 all-star caliber players mediocre, then there are quite a few truly bad teams in baseball.