NSBB Mock NFL Draft: Vance (Cowboys)

[rawaction]

Hardy is interesting there. His size is great, but it's not so much more than Sweed or Kelly to pick him over either of them, IMO. Sweed is faster. Kelly is as fast. Both have better hands and are better route runners. Hardy is probably the least polished of the 3 and I don't think he necessarily has any more upside than them.

 

I like Hardy's natural abilities more than Sweed's. Along with being 2 inches (roughly) taller, he's got a slightly better vertical than Sweed. Also, Hardy's 40 time was actually slightly better than Sweed's.

 

Also - and I don't think this can be overlooked - he was basically Indiana's only offensive threat (save QB Kellen Lewis), therefore he's shown he can be the only weapon and still perform at a very high level.

 

This situation is far more comparable to what he'll face in Tennessee than anything Sweed or Kelly have dealt with.

 

I don't think Hardy plays as fast as Sweed, of course, I haven't seen Sweed play in 2 years. I'm trying not to be an IU homer really. Plus, I don't like Hardy's ability to separate from CBs. But it will be interesting to see how that develops as his route running gets better. Also, being the only weapon on the offense also means the playcalling is more geared to get that player the ball. So, as much credit as you give a player for shining as the only star in an offense. You have to take away some for his team forcing the ball to him, skewing his numbers upward.

[bukie]

so does this pick slide to me when the time runs out, like the Vikings did with the Kevin Williams draft?

 

Nah. The group just makes a consensus choice and then it's on to the next pick.

 

They should do this in the actual NFL draft. It would make things hilarious for situations like the Vikings not picking on time.

[dew1679666265]

Hardy is interesting there. His size is great, but it's not so much more than Sweed or Kelly to pick him over either of them, IMO. Sweed is faster. Kelly is as fast. Both have better hands and are better route runners. Hardy is probably the least polished of the 3 and I don't think he necessarily has any more upside than them.

 

I like Hardy's natural abilities more than Sweed's. Along with being 2 inches (roughly) taller, he's got a slightly better vertical than Sweed. Also, Hardy's 40 time was actually slightly better than Sweed's.

 

Also - and I don't think this can be overlooked - he was basically Indiana's only offensive threat (save QB Kellen Lewis), therefore he's shown he can be the only weapon and still perform at a very high level.

 

This situation is far more comparable to what he'll face in Tennessee than anything Sweed or Kelly have dealt with.

 

I don't think Hardy plays as fast as Sweed, of course, I haven't seen Sweed play in 2 years.

 

That's possible, but having seen both play fairly often I don't think either is significantly faster than the other. The nearly identical 40 times just back up my belief.

 

I'm trying not to be an IU homer really. Plus, I don't like Hardy's ability to separate from CBs. But it will be interesting to see how that develops as his route running gets better.

 

Development will be key for him, but I'm confident Heimerdinger can get the most out of him. Most of our receivers had their best years under him (Ben Troupe and Justin McCareins for example).

 

Also, being the only weapon on the offense also means the playcalling is more geared to get that player the ball. So, as much credit as you give a player for shining as the only star in an offense. You have to take away some for his team forcing the ball to him, skewing his numbers upward.

 

This is true, except the situation will be somewhat similar with the Titans. They do have other options, but nothing truly special. Crumpler will get some balls, Brandon Jones if healthy will get some and if Justin Gage gets healthy he'll get some. Besides that, there's not much in the way of Titan offense.

 

That being the case, I like Hardy's ability to shine when no one else is contributing much.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Looks like we need to come to a consensus on the Seahawks pick? Any suggestions?

 

I think they might go with Limas Sweed or Kentwan Balmer.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

we need to get this show on the road

[mhuber92211]

sorry for the delay, i checked the thread yesterday and the talk was still early so I didn't realize.

 

Seahawks Draft Jonathon Stewart, RB U of O

[TruffleShuffle]

make sure to PM the person who's drafting next, folks.

[Guest]

1 Miami Dolphins - Warpticon - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

2 St. Louis Rams - reggiemiller rules - Chris Long, DE, Virginia

3 Atlanta Falcons - The Golden Thunder - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

4 Oakland Raiders - soccer10k - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St

5 Kansas City Chiefs - PingHitter - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

6 New York Jets - BHogg - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

7 New England Patriots (From 49ers) - GoCubsGo! - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State

8 Baltimore Ravens - b_wiggy_66 - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

9 Cincinnati Bengals - Rocket - Keith Rivers, LB, USC (via proxy)

10 New Orleans Saints - OleMissCub - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St

11 Buffalo Bills - PingHitter - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

12 Denver Broncos - MPC - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

13 Carolina Panthers - Andy - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois

14 Chicago Bears - CaliforniaRaisin et al - Brandon Albert, OL, Virginia

15 Detroit Lions - Cubweiser - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

16 Arizona Cardinals - Flames24Rulz Michael Jenkins, CB, USF

17 Minnesota Vikings - PriorPower - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

18 Houston Texans - Rawaction - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

19 Philadelphia Eagles - TruffleShuffle - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL)

20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - reds44 - Rawaction Jackson, WR, UC Berkeley

21 Washington Redskins - Handlebar McSkullet - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

22 Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) - vance_the_cubs_fan - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St

23 Pittsburgh Steelers - AI - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

24 Tennessee Titans - dew - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

25 Seattle Seahawks - mhuber92211 - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

26 Jacksonville Jaguars - Cro Magnon - on the clock!

27 San Diego Chargers - CaliforniaRaisin

28 Dallas Cowboys - vance_the_cubs_fan

29 San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) - TruffleShuffle

30 Green Bay Packers - Flames24Rulz

31 New York Giants - jersey cubs fan

[RedFlash]

sorry for the delay, i checked the thread yesterday and the talk was still early so I didn't realize.

 

Seahawks Draft Jonathon Stewart, RB U of O

 

With Julius Jones and TJ Dockett, I doubt Seattle will go RB in the first rd, or at all in the draft.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Well both T.J Duckett and Julius Jones are garbage..so RB might not be a bad idea.

[RedFlash]

Well both T.J Duckett and Julius Jones are garbage..so RB might not be a bad idea.

 

Yeah, maybe so, but I doubt Holmgren will go with a ROOKIE RB, in perhaps his final season as Seattle HC. He won't go with a rookie RB, when he's already spent a decent amount of money on two RBs, already this offseason. You can check RB off Seattle's list of needs for the Draft.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Stewart is a good pick there, but I'm not sure the Seahawks would go RB there. If they do, then they would definitely have to cut or trade Alexander. They probably are anyway, but still I'm not sure if Seattle goes RB. But, in this draft they did.

[Flames24Rulz]

Stewart is a good pick there, but I'm not sure the Seahawks would go RB there. If they do, then they would definitely have to cut or trade Alexander. They probably are anyway, but still I'm not sure if Seattle goes RB. But, in this draft they did.

 

I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Seattle taking Stewart.

[rawaction]

Stewart is a good pick there, but I'm not sure the Seahawks would go RB there. If they do, then they would definitely have to cut or trade Alexander. They probably are anyway, but still I'm not sure if Seattle goes RB. But, in this draft they did.

 

I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Seattle taking Stewart.

 

Yeah, about 80% of them I've seen have had Seattle picking Stewart.

[sneakypower]

The Jaguars have pass rush as a major need and address that need with one of the best pure pass rushers in the draft, Quentin Groves from Auburn.

 

1 Miami Dolphins - Warpticon - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

2 St. Louis Rams - reggiemiller rules - Chris Long, DE, Virginia

3 Atlanta Falcons - The Golden Thunder - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

4 Oakland Raiders - soccer10k - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St

5 Kansas City Chiefs - PingHitter - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

6 New York Jets - BHogg - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

7 New England Patriots (From 49ers) - GoCubsGo! - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State

8 Baltimore Ravens - b_wiggy_66 - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

9 Cincinnati Bengals - Rocket - Keith Rivers, LB, USC (via proxy)

10 New Orleans Saints - OleMissCub - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St

11 Buffalo Bills - PingHitter - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

12 Denver Broncos - MPC - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

13 Carolina Panthers - Andy - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois

14 Chicago Bears - CaliforniaRaisin et al - Brandon Albert, OL, Virginia

15 Detroit Lions - Cubweiser - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

16 Arizona Cardinals - Flames24Rulz Michael Jenkins, CB, USF

17 Minnesota Vikings - PriorPower - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

18 Houston Texans - Rawaction - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

19 Philadelphia Eagles - TruffleShuffle - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL)

20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - reds44 - Rawaction Jackson, WR, UC Berkeley

21 Washington Redskins - Handlebar McSkullet - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

22 Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) - vance_the_cubs_fan - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St

23 Pittsburgh Steelers - AI - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

24 Tennessee Titans - dew - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

25 Seattle Seahawks - mhuber92211 - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

26 Jacksonville Jaguars - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn

27 San Diego Chargers - CaliforniaRaisin - on the clock!

28 Dallas Cowboys - vance_the_cubs_fan

29 San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) - TruffleShuffle

30 Green Bay Packers - Flames24Rulz

31 New York Giants - jersey cubs fan

[Guest]

San Diego Chargers: OT Sam Baker, USC - can be plugged in right away at right tackle.

 

1 Miami Dolphins - Warpticon - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

2 St. Louis Rams - reggiemiller rules - Chris Long, DE, Virginia

3 Atlanta Falcons - The Golden Thunder - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

4 Oakland Raiders - soccer10k - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St

5 Kansas City Chiefs - PingHitter - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

6 New York Jets - BHogg - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

7 New England Patriots (From 49ers) - GoCubsGo! - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State

8 Baltimore Ravens - b_wiggy_66 - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

9 Cincinnati Bengals - Rocket - Keith Rivers, LB, USC (via proxy)

10 New Orleans Saints - OleMissCub - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St

11 Buffalo Bills - PingHitter - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

12 Denver Broncos - MPC - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

13 Carolina Panthers - Andy - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois

14 Chicago Bears - CaliforniaRaisin et al - Brandon Albert, OL, Virginia

15 Detroit Lions - Cubweiser - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

16 Arizona Cardinals - Flames24Rulz Michael Jenkins, CB, USF

17 Minnesota Vikings - PriorPower - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

18 Houston Texans - Rawaction - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

19 Philadelphia Eagles - TruffleShuffle - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL)

20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - reds44 - Rawaction Jackson, WR, UC Berkeley

21 Washington Redskins - Handlebar McSkullet - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

22 Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) - vance_the_cubs_fan - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St

23 Pittsburgh Steelers - AI - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

24 Tennessee Titans - dew - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

25 Seattle Seahawks - mhuber92211 - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

26 Jacksonville Jaguars - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn

27 San Diego Chargers - CaliforniaRaisin - Sam Baker, OT, USC

28 Dallas Cowboys - vance_the_cubs_fan - on the clock!

29 San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) - TruffleShuffle

30 Green Bay Packers - Flames24Rulz

31 New York Giants - jersey cubs fan

[rawaction]

That's a great pick for the Chargers, regardless of the fact that I think Baker will be a mediocre NFL lineman.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Cowboys enter this draft with three major needs: WR, CB, and a change of pace RB to pair with Marion Barber. Having addressed WR earlier in the draft, the Cowboys must decide between addressing RB or CB with this pick. A trade for Pacman could impact this pick and RB Felix Jones still sitting on the board is tempting as well. But the Cowboys are thin at CB after having lost Jacque Reeves to FA. Also, while Felix Jones would be an ideal change of pace back to pair with Barber, this draft is deep at RB and the Cowboys can likely pick up a good change of pace back later in the draft. So, with the 28th pick of the draft, the Cowboys select Aqib Talib, CB Kansas.

[RedFlash]

Stewart is a good pick there, but I'm not sure the Seahawks would go RB there. If they do, then they would definitely have to cut or trade Alexander. They probably are anyway, but still I'm not sure if Seattle goes RB. But, in this draft they did.

 

I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Seattle taking Stewart.

 

I know I am stretching it, but would New England take a QB on the first of the draft, even tho they still have Brady? Or the Colts with Manning? No.

 

There are a couple of scenerios' I see Seattle going:

 

1: With this possible being Seattle's last yr with Holmgren, they may be aggressive in the first rd, and may target one of the biggest OL prospects (Otah/Albert/Clady/Williams) still on the board in the mid 1st rd picks. So they could "feesibly" offer their 1st rd pick (25th), their 2nd rd pick (52nd overall), and a 4th rd pick (121st overall) to either Denver, Carolina, or the Bears (with the Bears adding a 6th rd pick). And the said above deal, works with the Draft Pick Value Chart, seeing as the 3 picks they'd give up would total (1122 points) while the pick they get back could range from (1100-1300). So I could see this scenerio playing out.

 

2: I see them trading out of the first rd altogether. Trading their 1st and 2nd rd picks (totalling 1070 points) to Atlanta for the Birds for the 34 and 37th picks (1090 points).

 

or

 

3: I could see the Seahawks taking the best available WR like Thomas or reach just a little bit for a guy like Hardy. Seeing as KC reach for Bowe last yr, I believe, it wouldn't surprise me.

[dew1679666265]

Stewart is a good pick there, but I'm not sure the Seahawks would go RB there. If they do, then they would definitely have to cut or trade Alexander. They probably are anyway, but still I'm not sure if Seattle goes RB. But, in this draft they did.

 

I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Seattle taking Stewart.

 

I know I am stretching it, but would New England take a QB on the first of the draft, even tho they still have Brady? Or the Colts with Manning? No.

 

That's more than stretching it. Peyton and Brady are the two best QBs in the game today and two of the best ever. If we were debating whether the Chiefs or Chargers would draft a running back first round, those would be viable comparisons.

 

The better comparison to make in this situation is whether the Buccaneers with three mediocre QBs on their roster would take a QB first round or whether the Ravens with three mediocre QBs would take one.

 

The answer to both of those is maybe (and they probably should, in my opinion) as it is with the Seahawks. Julius Jones, Shaun Alexander (as he is today) and TJ Duckett should not keep you from taking a running back you feel is great. If they see Jonathon Stewart as worthy of the pick, three mediocre tailbacks should not change their minds.

 

That said, they probably have slightly bigger needs and won't certainly go running back. But to rule out the possiblity is premature.

[TruffleShuffle]

well it's my draft, so i can do what i think is best, even if it's not what will actually happen. i'm not convinced that alex smith will get back from his shoulder injury, and even though he's owed a lot of money, i don't see him being with SF much longer. shaun hill is a bum too. so, let's take a guy who i think will be a better than average nfl qb.

 

1 Miami Dolphins - Warpticon - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

2 St. Louis Rams - reggiemiller rules - Chris Long, DE, Virginia

3 Atlanta Falcons - The Golden Thunder - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

4 Oakland Raiders - soccer10k - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St

5 Kansas City Chiefs - PingHitter - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

6 New York Jets - BHogg - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

7 New England Patriots (From 49ers) - GoCubsGo! - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State

8 Baltimore Ravens - b_wiggy_66 - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

9 Cincinnati Bengals - Rocket - Keith Rivers, LB, USC (via proxy)

10 New Orleans Saints - OleMissCub - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St

11 Buffalo Bills - PingHitter - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

12 Denver Broncos - MPC - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

13 Carolina Panthers - Andy - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois

14 Chicago Bears - CaliforniaRaisin et al - Brandon Albert, OL, Virginia

15 Detroit Lions - Cubweiser - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

16 Arizona Cardinals - Flames24Rulz Michael Jenkins, CB, USF

17 Minnesota Vikings - PriorPower - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

18 Houston Texans - Rawaction - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

19 Philadelphia Eagles - TruffleShuffle - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL)

20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - reds44 - Rawaction Jackson, WR, UC Berkeley

21 Washington Redskins - Handlebar McSkullet - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

22 Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) - vance_the_cubs_fan - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St

23 Pittsburgh Steelers - AI - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

24 Tennessee Titans - dew - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

25 Seattle Seahawks - mhuber92211 - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

26 Jacksonville Jaguars - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn

27 San Diego Chargers - CaliforniaRaisin - Sam Baker, OT, USC

28 Dallas Cowboys - vance_the_cubs_fan - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

29 San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

30 Green Bay Packers - Flames24Rulz - on the clock

31 New York Giants - jersey cubs fan

[dew1679666265]

well it's my draft, so i can do what i think is best, even if it's not what will actually happen. i'm not convinced that alex smith will get back from his shoulder injury, and even though he's owed a lot of money, i don't see him being with SF much longer. shaun hill is a bum too. so, let's take a guy who i think will be a better than average nfl qb.

 

29 San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

 

Interesting pick...I think he's the best QB in the draft.

 

Could easily have gone wide receiver there too - if there's any hope still left in Smith. Limas Sweed will be a very good pick by whoever grabs him at this point.

[Warpticon]

It's gonna take some serious resistance not to be a homer at the top of the 2nd if I get a chance. :P

[Flames24Rulz]

I was surprised to see Phillips go so early. Not surprised in the least that Dallas took Talib.

 

So with the 30th pick in the Draft, the Green Bay Packers select Brandon Flowers, CB out of Virginia Tech. He'd make for a perfect nickelback and his physical style fits in very well with our extreme press coverage that we utilize.

[RedFlash]

Stewart is a good pick there, but I'm not sure the Seahawks would go RB there. If they do, then they would definitely have to cut or trade Alexander. They probably are anyway, but still I'm not sure if Seattle goes RB. But, in this draft they did.

 

I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Seattle taking Stewart.

 

I know I am stretching it, but would New England take a QB on the first of the draft, even tho they still have Brady? Or the Colts with Manning? No.

 

That's more than stretching it. Peyton and Brady are the two best QBs in the game today and two of the best ever. If we were debating whether the Chiefs or Chargers would draft a running back first round, those would be viable comparisons.

 

The better comparison to make in this situation is whether the Buccaneers with three mediocre QBs on their roster would take a QB first round or whether the Ravens with three mediocre QBs would take one.

 

The answer to both of those is maybe (and they probably should, in my opinion) as it is with the Seahawks. Julius Jones, Shaun Alexander (as he is today) and TJ Duckett should not keep you from taking a running back you feel is great. If they see Jonathon Stewart as worthy of the pick, three mediocre tailbacks should not change their minds.

 

That said, they probably have slightly bigger needs and won't certainly go running back. But to rule out the possiblity is premature.

 

I didn't say I rule it out, I just said, it's doubtful they go for a RB in the first rd. People forget that could be Holmgren's last yr in Seattle, so he may put all of his eggs into the basket. I don't see taking a RB (who won't see much of the field, for a majority of the yr) helps the Seahawks or Holmgren out at all. I see them either trading the pick (either up or down) or taking a WR.