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Michael Oher has declared...draft him Angelo or I will punch you in the nuts...

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337437

 

Nice. One of Oher or Clady will hopefully fall to the Bears..

[Warpticon]

Are you an Arkansas fan? If so I'm not going to even bother with an argument. Hey Jason Marquis can stay healthy, so therefore he is a better pitcher than Mark Prior...right?

 

Translation: you don't have a reason.

[mhuber92211]

I like the Seahawks pick of a Running back but I was curious as to where Jonathon Stewart is going. He is projected to go #18 to Houston. Think he somehow slips?

[rawaction]

I like the Seahawks pick of a Running back but I was curious as to where Jonathon Stewart is going. He is projected to go #18 to Houston. Think he somehow slips?

 

I think if Houston goes RB (not a given considering coaching staff from Broncos offense), Mendenhall would likely be their choice. I think they would like his breakaway ability more than Stewart's and he would be a better fit to share time with whichever big back they keep (Green, Dayne).

[TruffleShuffle]

Are you an Arkansas fan? If so I'm not going to even bother with an argument. Hey Jason Marquis can stay healthy, so therefore he is a better pitcher than Mark Prior...right?

 

that's a completely pointless comparison. prior is far more talented than marquis; mcfadden is viewed by many as being just as talented as AD.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

mcfadden is viewed by many as being just as talented as AD.

Who? That is just insane..Peterson is a talent that comes around every 10 years or so..he is just has fast as McFadden but also is much bigger and can either run over you or around you. He would have been the #1 overall pick(and it appears he should have), but the injury concern had him drop.

[dew1679666265]

mcfadden is viewed by many as being just as talented as AD.

Who? That is just insane..Peterson is a talent that comes around every 10 years or so..he is just has fast as McFadden but also is much bigger and can either run over you or around you. He would have been the #1 overall pick(and it appears he should have), but the injury concern had him drop.

 

More than a few people compare the two favorably. Peterson is a great back, but McFadden is likely just as good.

 

In fact, the argument could be made that McFadden is better because he's had success as one of two good options for his offense (along with Felix Jones). Peterson had the luxury of some level of a passing game while at Oklahoma.

 

There's really little to support that Peterson is any better - much less significantly better - than McFadden.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

mcfadden is viewed by many as being just as talented as AD.

Who? That is just insane..Peterson is a talent that comes around every 10 years or so..he is just has fast as McFadden but also is much bigger and can either run over you or around you. He would have been the #1 overall pick(and it appears he should have), but the injury concern had him drop.

 

More than a few people compare the two favorably. Peterson is a great back, but McFadden is likely just as good.

 

In fact, the argument could be made that McFadden is better because he's had success as one of two good options for his offense (along with Felix Jones). Peterson had the luxury of some level of a passing game while at Oklahoma.

 

There's really little to support that Peterson is any better - much less significantly better - than McFadden.

 

When Bill Polian scouted AD he stated that he probably could be the best RB of all time. Really it isn't even close AD > McFadden.

[OleMissCub]

Michael Oher has declared...draft him Angelo or I will punch you in the nuts...

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=337437

 

Pfffftttt....sucks for us, but good for him.

 

He's a good guy and a big, big man.

[rawaction]

I don't agree. Peterson is easily a notch better than McFadden. AD was the #1 recruit in his class out of HS, and it wasn't really even close. McFadden was in the 20s, in a lesser class of players. McFadden probably had the slightly better college career, but AD's college system translates(d) more to the NFL game.

 

So, basically you have 2 guys with similar speed and similar stats, but one is bigger and has a better pedigree. I'll go with the guy who has been the best of his peers at his position since he was 16.

[OleMissCub]

I don't agree. Peterson is easily a notch better than McFadden. AD was the #1 recruit in his class out of HS, and it wasn't really even close. McFadden was in the 20s, in a lesser class of players. McFadden probably had the slightly better college career, but AD's college system translates(d) more to the NFL game.

 

So, basically you have 2 guys with similar speed and similar stats, but one is bigger and has a better pedigree. I'll go with the guy who has been the best of his peers at his position since he was 16.

 

Agree with most of this. McFadden does have a slight edge in receiving though. McFadden also passed for 7 TD's during his time in college too. Although that isn't to say that Peterson could have done that type of stuff as well if the system allowed for it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've never heard anybody try to claim McFadden is as good as Peterson. Peterson was clearly the higher rated back, with the only question being health.

[Exile on Waveland]

I could be in a war room for the Colts. I don't know the prospects well, but I know what things the Colts are looking for.

 

If I have to, I can also be the first person for this thing. I did research the prospects last year to make the picks. It just gets harder to research when it hits the third round.

 

I don't mean to steal your thunder, but I'll convene with you, if you want. Not that I don't trust you, just that any discussion of Colts drafting is of great interest to me.

[CubColtPacer]

I could be in a war room for the Colts. I don't know the prospects well, but I know what things the Colts are looking for.

 

If I have to, I can also be the first person for this thing. I did research the prospects last year to make the picks. It just gets harder to research when it hits the third round.

 

I don't mean to steal your thunder, but I'll convene with you, if you want. Not that I don't trust you, just that any discussion of Colts drafting is of great interest to me.

 

I would love to have another person to discuss with. You're not stealing my thunder at all.

[Exile on Waveland]

I could be in a war room for the Colts. I don't know the prospects well, but I know what things the Colts are looking for.

 

If I have to, I can also be the first person for this thing. I did research the prospects last year to make the picks. It just gets harder to research when it hits the third round.

 

I don't mean to steal your thunder, but I'll convene with you, if you want. Not that I don't trust you, just that any discussion of Colts drafting is of great interest to me.

 

I would love to have another person to discuss with. You're not stealing my thunder at all.

 

Sounds great. We have to wait awhile to pick -- though Tony Ugoh was well worth this year's first. I might have missed it in the thread, but not sure when our draft starts. We can talk leading up to it. I'm assuming we're trying to mimic what the Colts and Polian will do? That's certainly extremely difficult, though a bit easier the last three top picks (I was expecting Jackson, Addai and Gonzalez).

[dew1679666265]

I've never heard anybody try to claim McFadden is as good as Peterson. Peterson was clearly the higher rated back, with the only question being health.

 

They were probably responding to me. I didn't say McFadden was as good, but said the argument could potentially be made given that he and Felix Jones were the only real options on the Arkansas offense. OU, on the other hand, had some semblance of a passing game while Peterson was there.

 

I'm not arguing McFadden is better - I think they're very close but Peterson's a little better.

[Warpticon]

High school ratings? Seriously? Why are those even being mentioned? At all? I'd love to see how many guys rated ahead of McFadden won't even play in the NFL. That's a horrible way of evaluating current ability. I mean, awful. By that measure, Ryan Leaf is better than Tom Brady. Seriously, come on. Michael Jordan didn't make a junior high team or whatever. I wonder where the guys that did make it rank among the NBA's great players.

 

So, Bill Polian thought that Peterson could become the GOAT. That's great. He's clearly very gifted. I wonder how many people were suggesting Emmitt Smith might be GOAT status when he got drafted. Remember when everybody made fun of the Texans for taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush? Remember when Bush was the once-in-a-lifetime, can't-miss talent? In short, a GM saying he could be an all-time great is essentially meaningless. Remember Mark Prior's perfect, injury-free mechanics? Yeah.

 

If health concerns were nonexistent, I'd probably take AP over Run DMC. Taking into account that Peterson has missed time in each of the last three seasons due to injury, I'd say it's close. They're very similar backs, in that they combine very good tailback size and speed, and both run very upright. (AP's bigger? He's listed 6'1, 217, and McFadden's listed 6'2", 215, though granted those are college numbers. In any case, whatever difference there is is fairly insignificant.) I find Peterson to be a bit more fluid a runner, but I"m not sure how much of that is because McFadden's so flat-footed. Sometimes it looks like he has a loose sock at the end of his foot when he runs.

 

So I'm still waiting for a good, concrete reason for AP being superior--much less vasly superior--to McFadden. Things that do not qualify are: that AP was more accomplished 5 years ago; that AP is 2 pounds heavier; That somebody paid AP an unspecific compliment while not commenting on McFadden at all.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I really don't think McFadden is 215..that being said..

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/08-06/0827peterson.jpg

http://www.fncaa.com/images/mcfadden.jpg

 

I mean really isn't it quite obvious that Peterson is sigficantly bigger?

[rawaction]

High school ratings? Seriously? Why are those even being mentioned? At all? I'd love to see how many guys rated ahead of McFadden won't even play in the NFL. That's a horrible way of evaluating current ability. I mean, awful. By that measure, Ryan Leaf is better than Tom Brady. Seriously, come on. Michael Jordan didn't make a junior high team or whatever. I wonder where the guys that did make it rank among the NBA's great players.

 

So, Bill Polian thought that Peterson could become the GOAT. That's great. He's clearly very gifted. I wonder how many people were suggesting Emmitt Smith might be GOAT status when he got drafted. Remember when everybody made fun of the Texans for taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush? Remember when Bush was the once-in-a-lifetime, can't-miss talent? In short, a GM saying he could be an all-time great is essentially meaningless. Remember Mark Prior's perfect, injury-free mechanics? Yeah.

 

If health concerns were nonexistent, I'd probably take AP over Run DMC. Taking into account that Peterson has missed time in each of the last three seasons due to injury, I'd say it's close. They're very similar backs, in that they combine very good tailback size and speed, and both run very upright. (AP's bigger? He's listed 6'1, 217, and McFadden's listed 6'2", 215, though granted those are college numbers. In any case, whatever difference there is is fairly insignificant.) I find Peterson to be a bit more fluid a runner, but I"m not sure how much of that is because McFadden's so flat-footed. Sometimes it looks like he has a loose sock at the end of his foot when he runs.

 

So I'm still waiting for a good, concrete reason for AP being superior--much less vasly superior--to McFadden. Things that do not qualify are: that AP was more accomplished 5 years ago; that AP is 2 pounds heavier; That somebody paid AP an unspecific compliment while not commenting on McFadden at all.

 

Why can't I use HS ratings? I wasn't using it to state who is currently better. I simply used it to state that both are great, but one (Peterson) has historically been at the top of his peers. All else is pretty even. Both had great college careers. Size and speed are similar.

 

FYI, McFadden was ranked 23rd by Rivals in 2005. Of the players ahead of him, at least 11 will easily be NFL players (1st day picks that will make rosters). Of that group, 3 will be top 20 picks this year, and 6 more will be first rounders in the 09 draft.

[Warpticon]

Why can't I use HS ratings? I wasn't using it to state who is currently better. I simply used it to state that both are great, but one (Peterson) has historically been at the top of his peers. All else is pretty even. Both had great college careers. Size and speed are similar.

 

FYI, McFadden was ranked 23rd by Rivals in 2005. Of the players ahead of him, at least 11 will easily be NFL players (1st day picks that will make rosters). Of that group, 3 will be top 20 picks this year, and 6 more will be first rounders in the 09 draft.

 

But will they be better than him as pros? Time will tell. I feel pretty confident that a great number of them will not.

 

I really don't think McFadden is 215..that being said..

 

I mean really isn't it quite obvious that Peterson is sigficantly bigger?

 

Well, the first is a larger picture. :lol: But, no, I don't think it's "quite obvious" that he's "significantly bigger" from those pictures, especially considering that Darren may be taller. One thing that's apparent from those pictures, though, is that Peterson wore much bulkier shoulderpads. I don't doubt that he's bigger, but I doubt it's significant. I'm trying to find good padless pictures to compare and not having a ton of luck.

[TruffleShuffle]

darren mcfadden is the likely #1 overall pick this year; peterson probably would've been the consensus #1 overall pick last year if not for health concerns.

 

i think there is a lot of 20/20 hindsight in this thread. it's easy to say mcfadden won't be as good as peterson because AD had a monster rookie year. but they were regarded pretty close to equally when it comes to ability before this past season. and i do think that health should factor into the "who is better" discussion. a lot of potentially great RBs have been busts because they couldn't stay healthy.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I haven't seen a single mock that has McFadden going #1.

[Warpticon]

I haven't seen a single mock that has McFadden going #1.

 

That's because RB is one of the few areas Miami doesn't have a major need at.

[CubColtPacer]

I haven't seen a single mock that has McFadden going #1.

 

That's less about his talent and more about who is picking first, and the fact that their best player happens to be a RB.

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Hey, rawaction is entering the draft!

 

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=/cfoot/news/AFN4122862.htm