Let The Indians Get Roberts

[Backtobanks]

There has been speculation that the Indians might be offering a package deal for Roberts. I'm so tired of the whole Roberts mess that I think a trade to the Indians might work in our favor. After getting Roberts, Peralta would be available. Since I've been advocating trying to acquire a SS (position of need) instead of a marginal upgrade at 2B, this might be more desirable. Another advantage might be that you don't have to deal with Angelos, MacPhail, and the idol-like reputation of Roberts in Baltimore. Some of the same rumored names (Gallagher, Marshall, Murton, Patterson, Cedeno, etc.) could be packaged to be sent to the Indians for Peralta.

[Clem Fandango]

How would Peralta become available? He's a SS. Roberts is a 2B. I would assume they'd keep him and have a top notch middle infield

[fromthestretch]

How would Peralta become available? He's a SS. Roberts is a 2B. I would assume they'd keep him and have a top notch middle infield

 

Asdrubal Cabrera could move to SS for the Tribe.

[cheapseats]

How would Peralta become available? He's a SS. Roberts is a 2B. I would assume they'd keep him and have a top notch middle infield

 

There's a lot of talk suggesting that the Indians may switch Cabrera and Peralta next year. The Indians hate Peralta's defense at SS.

[Soul]

How would Peralta become available? He's a SS. Roberts is a 2B. I would assume they'd keep him and have a top notch middle infield

 

Asdrubal Cabrera could move to SS for the Tribe.

 

Why though? I thought Peralta was pretty good.

[wrigley23]

roberts is a huge upgrade at 2B. He is the 5th rated 2B in baseball & is an all-star. DeRosa has only been a fulltime starting 2B for a couple yrs & is nowhere near the top 20 in mlb. DeRosa would more than likely start at SS over theriot if we get roberts. Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs. Piniella wants him moved down in the order.

[nilodnayr]

How would Peralta become available? He's a SS. Roberts is a 2B. I would assume they'd keep him and have a top notch middle infield

 

Asdrubal Cabrera could move to SS for the Tribe.

 

Why though? I thought Peralta was pretty good.

 

Hes about a win below average defensively. Shapiro called him out publicly a couple offseasons ago.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd much rather get Peralta and upgrade SS than get Roberts and marginally upgrade 2B.

 

Soriano-LF

DeRosa- 2B

Lee- 1B

Ramirez-3B

Fukudome-RF

Peralta- SS

Soto- C

Pie- CF

 

Now if I thought Roberts or DeRosa could be SS, I'd rather get Roberts. But getting Roberts so that DeRosa could sit on the bench while two lesser players start isn't that exciting.

[fromthestretch]

Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs.

 

That is horribly, horribly inaccurate.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs.

 

That is horribly, horribly inaccurate.

 

But it's a pretty cool claim to make.

[brinoch]

roberts is a huge upgrade at 2B. He is the 5th rated 2B in baseball & is an all-star. DeRosa has only been a fulltime starting 2B for a couple yrs & is nowhere near the top 20 in mlb. DeRosa would more than likely start at SS over theriot if we get roberts. Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs. Piniella wants him moved down in the order.

 

I doubt that the Cubs will start DeRosa at SS. More than likely, DeRosa goes into the supersub role. He would be a huge upgrade to the bench, while Roberts would be a small upgrade at 2B, but given the rumors, it will cost us Cedeno. With the emergence of Geovany Soto, the signing of Fukudome, and the apparent determination that Pie will be the CF, Theriot at SS is the Cubs' worst position. Therefore, it's the place the Cubs should seek to upgrade, internally or externally -- whatever is possible.

 

Now, if getting Roberts means that DeRosa plays SS (again, I doubt it), that would be good. Otherwise, let Cedeno and Theriot compete or acquire a SS. One of Greene, Peralta, Wilson, or Lopez could be available. The key here is upgrading from last season's production at SS.

[fromthestretch]

roberts is a huge upgrade at 2B. He is the 5th rated 2B in baseball & is an all-star. DeRosa has only been a fulltime starting 2B for a couple yrs & is nowhere near the top 20 in mlb.

 

Just curious...what criteria is used for these rankings?

 

Out of all full-time players that played at least 70 games at 2B in 2007, DeRosa ranked 16th in OPS+. I'd say that's not only near the top 20 but well inside of it.

 

I do agree that Roberts would be an upgrade, but that's certainly not due to DeRosa being bad.

[Soul]

roberts is a huge upgrade at 2B. He is the 5th rated 2B in baseball & is an all-star. DeRosa has only been a fulltime starting 2B for a couple yrs & is nowhere near the top 20 in mlb. DeRosa would more than likely start at SS over theriot if we get roberts. Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs. Piniella wants him moved down in the order.

 

I doubt that the Cubs will start DeRosa at SS. More than likely, DeRosa goes into the supersub role. He would be a huge upgrade to the bench, while Roberts would be a small upgrade at 2B, but given the rumors, it will cost us Cedeno. With the emergence of Geovany Soto, the signing of Fukudome, and the apparent determination that Pie will be the CF, Theriot at SS is the Cubs' worst position. Therefore, it's the place the Cubs should seek to upgrade, internally or externally -- whatever is possible.

 

Now, if getting Roberts means that DeRosa plays SS (again, I doubt it), that would be good. Otherwise, let Cedeno and Theriot compete or acquire a SS. One of Greene, Peralta, Wilson, or Lopez could be available. The key here is upgrading from last season's production at SS.

 

But have the Cubs even mentioned that they might try DeRosa @ SS? I've been wondering why I keep hearing it every once in awhile on nsbb. The Cubs had ample opportunity to try Mark out @ SS last year, yet he played 1 game at the position.

[brinoch]

But have the Cubs even mentioned that they might try DeRosa @ SS? I've been wondering why I keep hearing it every once in awhile on nsbb. The Cubs had ample opportunity to try Mark out @ SS last year, yet he played 1 game at the position.

 

No, as far as I know, they haven't mentioned it. In fact, I believe they've said time and again that Theriot will be the starting SS.

[CubColtPacer]

roberts is a huge upgrade at 2B. He is the 5th rated 2B in baseball & is an all-star. DeRosa has only been a fulltime starting 2B for a couple yrs & is nowhere near the top 20 in mlb. DeRosa would more than likely start at SS over theriot if we get roberts. Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs. Piniella wants him moved down in the order.

 

I doubt that the Cubs will start DeRosa at SS. More than likely, DeRosa goes into the supersub role. He would be a huge upgrade to the bench, while Roberts would be a small upgrade at 2B, but given the rumors, it will cost us Cedeno. With the emergence of Geovany Soto, the signing of Fukudome, and the apparent determination that Pie will be the CF, Theriot at SS is the Cubs' worst position. Therefore, it's the place the Cubs should seek to upgrade, internally or externally -- whatever is possible.

 

Now, if getting Roberts means that DeRosa plays SS (again, I doubt it), that would be good. Otherwise, let Cedeno and Theriot compete or acquire a SS. One of Greene, Peralta, Wilson, or Lopez could be available. The key here is upgrading from last season's production at SS.

 

But have the Cubs even mentioned that they might try DeRosa @ SS? I've been wondering why I keep hearing it every once in awhile on nsbb. The Cubs had ample opportunity to try Mark out @ SS last year, yet he played 1 game at the position.

 

The Cubs didn't exactly have a second baseman last year either to plug in if DeRosa was there for most of the year either. The Cubs do value Theriot's defense at short over DeRosa's, we know that (otherwise they would have played DeRosa at SS and Theriot at 2nd). Do they hate DeRosa's defense enough to know if they would play Theriot there even when the other one would sit on the bench? I don't think anybody knows that, and what we do know is that Lou is willing to try almost anything if the starter is struggling. Lou was willing to play Ward in RF in small ballparks because he needed more offense. If Theriot is struggling and DeRosa is just sitting there on the bench, Lou might go to him.

[Soul]

roberts is a huge upgrade at 2B. He is the 5th rated 2B in baseball & is an all-star. DeRosa has only been a fulltime starting 2B for a couple yrs & is nowhere near the top 20 in mlb. DeRosa would more than likely start at SS over theriot if we get roberts. Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs. Piniella wants him moved down in the order.

 

I doubt that the Cubs will start DeRosa at SS. More than likely, DeRosa goes into the supersub role. He would be a huge upgrade to the bench, while Roberts would be a small upgrade at 2B, but given the rumors, it will cost us Cedeno. With the emergence of Geovany Soto, the signing of Fukudome, and the apparent determination that Pie will be the CF, Theriot at SS is the Cubs' worst position. Therefore, it's the place the Cubs should seek to upgrade, internally or externally -- whatever is possible.

 

Now, if getting Roberts means that DeRosa plays SS (again, I doubt it), that would be good. Otherwise, let Cedeno and Theriot compete or acquire a SS. One of Greene, Peralta, Wilson, or Lopez could be available. The key here is upgrading from last season's production at SS.

 

But have the Cubs even mentioned that they might try DeRosa @ SS? I've been wondering why I keep hearing it every once in awhile on nsbb. The Cubs had ample opportunity to try Mark out @ SS last year, yet he played 1 game at the position.

 

The Cubs didn't exactly have a second baseman last year either to plug in if DeRosa was there for most of the year either. The Cubs do value Theriot's defense at short over DeRosa's, we know that (otherwise they would have played DeRosa at SS and Theriot at 2nd). Do they hate DeRosa's defense enough to know if they would play Theriot there even when the other one would sit on the bench? I don't think anybody knows that, and what we do know is that Lou is willing to try almost anything if the starter is struggling. Lou was willing to play Ward in RF in small ballparks because he needed more offense. If Theriot is struggling and DeRosa is just sitting there on the bench, Lou might go to him.

 

That all falls under the cateory of "highly speculative" in terms of what would actually happen. Which means planning out any proposed trades or other moves based on a DeRosa move to SS is also highly dubious.

[traderumor]

The indians have offered Franklin Gutierrez and Adam Miller for Roberts per Bruce Levine on espn 1000 last night.

[Backtobanks]

Peralta + DeRosa (with Theriot as sub)>>> Theriot + Roberts (with DeRosa as sub). Also, the Indians may not demand as much for Peralta (since he would be an "extra" IF). Nobody knows the truth about the demands, but when I started reading that the Orioles wanted more than the three names mentioned, I decided that it wasn't worth the price.

[abuck1220]

Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs.

 

That is horribly, horribly inaccurate.

 

But it's a pretty cool claim to make.

 

derrek lee batting third got the cubs swept in the playoffs. everyone knows that.

[SouthSideRyan]

Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs.

 

That is horribly, horribly inaccurate.

 

But it's a pretty cool claim to make.

 

derrek lee batting third got the cubs swept in the playoffs. everyone knows that.

 

Can I use this device when people talk about how Kenny Lofton single handedly carried us to the playoffs in '03?

 

Kenny Lofton got the Cubs to choke in '03.

[biittner77]

Roberts didn't make the Delmarva Shorebirds Ten Year anniversary team. He got beat out by, get this, Gary Cates. Fan opinion of a player's value is almost completely meaningless.

[anabiono]

Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs.

 

That is horribly, horribly inaccurate.

 

But it's a pretty cool claim to make.

 

 

=D>

[BigbadB]

Soriano at leadoff got us swept in the playoffs.

 

That's good stuff. Here is a quick list of all the other lead off hitters that should lose their jobs as lead off hitters because they either failed to get their team to the playoffs, or they lost in the playoffs:

 

Ichiro, Hanley Ramirez, Curtis Granderson, Jimmy Rollins, Brian Roberts, Jose Reyes, Grady Sizemore, Rafael Furcal, Johnny Damon and David DeJesus.

 

These guys ALL failed to come through for their respective teams. Shame on them.

[anabiono]

lol...lilly is what i think about when i reflect on that piss poor showing in the playoffs last season...

 

that and game 3...

 

i was at work and i was trying to get out of there as soon as possible so i could rush home and watch the game!!!

 

blah

 

i remember running over to the TV at work and seeing that Hill and rooting on him to get a strike in the count...he did and i cheered and then i realized that the score was already 1-0...

 

i missed the leadoff homer...but damn did that moment sock me in the gut...

 

what a crappy night that was!

[Derwood]

has anyone considered that if the Cubs upgraded at SS instead of 2B, that Lou would start Theriot at 2B and STILL keep DeRosa as the sub?