2008 College Football

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't know why anyone would care what the staff of Black Heart Gold Pants thinks

[hawkeyecub]

What the hell is "Black Heart Gold Pants"?

 

Certainly there's trouble and this entire thing is a mess. However I need to find out more facts before saying certain people need to be fired. I still can't figure out why the victim and her family went to the athletic department rather than the authorities.

[inari]

Yeah, this whole Thug U thing is getting a bit tired.

[Andy]

Yeah, this whole Thug U thing is getting a bit tired.

All this offseason turmoil and very little from the big Florida schools, oddly enough

[stuy119]

Yeah, this whole Thug U thing is getting a bit tired.

All this offseason turmoil and very little from the big Florida schools, oddly enough

 

Thankfully, I might add. We'll let you guys deal with it for a year (or hopefully many).

[snoodmonger]

What the hell is "Black Heart Gold Pants"?

 

 

[terrible joke] SpongeBob's cousin [/terrible joke]

[CubinNY]

Weis has an almost Identical record to Willingham (one more win, same number of losses). What are the chances that the "genius" gets fired if ND ends up 7-5 or 6-6?

[Andy]

Weis has an almost Identical record to Willingham (one more win same number of losses). What are the chances that the "genius" gets fired if ND ends up 7-5 or 6-6?

Practically zero unless he suddenly fails to secure another top 10 recruiting class, although if he goes 7-5/6-6 with the schedule put before him it'd be interesting to see the reaction. ND's schedule is practically begging for 8 wins or more if the team improves as much as freshmen-to-sophomore improvement normally would suggest they will.

 

ETA: Only morons call him the genius, this term is now used almost exclusively by Internet trolls.

[Derwood]

weis won't get fired when he has 7 or 8 years left on this contract

[dew1679666265]

Weis has an almost Identical record to Willingham (one more win same number of losses). What are the chances that the "genius" gets fired if ND ends up 7-5 or 6-6?

Practically zero unless he suddenly fails to secure another top 10 recruiting class, although if he goes 7-5/6-6 with the schedule put before him it'd be interesting to see the reaction. ND's schedule is practically begging for 8 wins or more if the team improves as much as freshmen-to-sophomore improvement normally would suggest they will.

 

ETA: Only morons call him the genius, this term is now used almost exclusively by Internet trolls.

 

I'm not entirely sure I see more than 6-7 wins for sure.

 

San Diego State, Stanford, Navy, Washington and Syracuse are relatively sure wins (Stanford and Navy might be in question, but probably not)

 

North Carolina could be a win, but I'm not sure ND is much better than UNC right now - it's definitely not a sure thing.

 

Otherwise, ND has one sure loss (USC) and five tough games (Michigan, @Purdue, Michigan State, Pitt and @BC).

 

Given that, I'm not sure 8 wins is a sure thing. Less than 6-7 would be awful though.

[dew1679666265]

weis won't get fired when he has 7 or 8 years left on this contract

 

If they're terrible this year (which I don't think they will be), then it wouldn't shock me.

 

All they would need would be enough big money donors to pony up enough cash and Weis would be gone. Probably nothing short of 5 or less wins would be enough, though.

[Andy]

Weis has an almost Identical record to Willingham (one more win same number of losses). What are the chances that the "genius" gets fired if ND ends up 7-5 or 6-6?

Practically zero unless he suddenly fails to secure another top 10 recruiting class, although if he goes 7-5/6-6 with the schedule put before him it'd be interesting to see the reaction. ND's schedule is practically begging for 8 wins or more if the team improves as much as freshmen-to-sophomore improvement normally would suggest they will.

 

ETA: Only morons call him the genius, this term is now used almost exclusively by Internet trolls.

 

I'm not entirely sure I see more than 6-7 wins for sure.

 

San Diego State, Stanford, Navy, Washington and Syracuse are relatively sure wins (Stanford and Navy might be in question, but probably not)

 

North Carolina could be a win, but I'm not sure ND is much better than UNC right now - it's definitely not a sure thing.

 

Otherwise, ND has one sure loss (USC) and five tough games (Michigan, @Purdue, Michigan State, Pitt and @BC).

 

Given that, I'm not sure 8 wins is a sure thing. Less than 6-7 would be awful though.

I think ND has a good chance of winning two of the five tough games - even the reprehensibly bad early-season version of the Irish managed to hang with MSU and Purdue last year, and Pitt isn't very good, plus it's at home. Obviously, I'm banking on a lot of improvement, though. Your assessment of the schedule's pretty good.

[dew1679666265]

Weis has an almost Identical record to Willingham (one more win same number of losses). What are the chances that the "genius" gets fired if ND ends up 7-5 or 6-6?

Practically zero unless he suddenly fails to secure another top 10 recruiting class, although if he goes 7-5/6-6 with the schedule put before him it'd be interesting to see the reaction. ND's schedule is practically begging for 8 wins or more if the team improves as much as freshmen-to-sophomore improvement normally would suggest they will.

 

ETA: Only morons call him the genius, this term is now used almost exclusively by Internet trolls.

 

I'm not entirely sure I see more than 6-7 wins for sure.

 

San Diego State, Stanford, Navy, Washington and Syracuse are relatively sure wins (Stanford and Navy might be in question, but probably not)

 

North Carolina could be a win, but I'm not sure ND is much better than UNC right now - it's definitely not a sure thing.

 

Otherwise, ND has one sure loss (USC) and five tough games (Michigan, @Purdue, Michigan State, Pitt and @BC).

 

Given that, I'm not sure 8 wins is a sure thing. Less than 6-7 would be awful though.

I think ND has a good chance of winning two of the five tough games - even the reprehensibly bad early-season version of the Irish managed to hang with MSU and Purdue last year, and Pitt isn't very good, plus it's at home. Obviously, I'm banking on a lot of improvement, though. Your assessment of the schedule's pretty good.

 

They could win 8 games, my argument is just that it's far from a sure thing.

 

As for the MSU and Purdue games, ND gets the Boilermakers on the road (though, granted, MSU is at home) plus, you can't ignore potential improvements from MSU and Purdue. I'm not sure how Purdue stacks up, but MSU is likely going to be better this year since last year was spent cleaning up John L. Smith's mess. I would think winning one of two of those is a decent bet.

 

And I try to be unbiased with ND and analyze them honestly, I've got no deep-seeded problems with them. :D

[Andy]

Actually, and it just occurred to me, Purdue is at home and MSU is on the road because it was the reverse last year. Not that that changes anything.

[CubbieBum]

Weis has an almost Identical record to Willingham (one more win same number of losses). What are the chances that the "genius" gets fired if ND ends up 7-5 or 6-6?

Practically zero unless he suddenly fails to secure another top 10 recruiting class, although if he goes 7-5/6-6 with the schedule put before him it'd be interesting to see the reaction. ND's schedule is practically begging for 8 wins or more if the team improves as much as freshmen-to-sophomore improvement normally would suggest they will.

 

ETA: Only morons call him the genius, this term is now used almost exclusively by Internet trolls.

 

I'm not entirely sure I see more than 6-7 wins for sure.

 

San Diego State, Stanford, Navy, Washington and Syracuse are relatively sure wins (Stanford and Navy might be in question, but probably not)

 

North Carolina could be a win, but I'm not sure ND is much better than UNC right now - it's definitely not a sure thing.

 

Otherwise, ND has one sure loss (USC) and five tough games (Michigan, @Purdue, Michigan State, Pitt and @BC).

 

Given that, I'm not sure 8 wins is a sure thing. Less than 6-7 would be awful though.

I think ND has a good chance of winning two of the five tough games - even the reprehensibly bad early-season version of the Irish managed to hang with MSU and Purdue last year, and Pitt isn't very good, plus it's at home. Obviously, I'm banking on a lot of improvement, though. Your assessment of the schedule's pretty good.

 

They could win 8 games, my argument is just that it's far from a sure thing.

 

As for the MSU and Purdue games, ND gets the Boilermakers on the road (though, granted, MSU is at home) plus, you can't ignore potential improvements from MSU and Purdue. I'm not sure how Purdue stacks up, but MSU is likely going to be better this year since last year was spent cleaning up John L. Smith's mess. I would think winning one of two of those is a decent bet.

 

And I try to be unbiased with ND and analyze them honestly, I've got no deep-seeded problems with them. :D

 

Purdue has Painter back as well as many other starters (both RB's who together did great last year). The biggest hole is WR (Orton will dominant though mark my words) but with our offense that's never been a problem.

 

The biggest boost will actually be Tiller and our scheme. When they announced they were going to find a successor and bring him in this year Tiller had a long interview with ESPN (relax it was actually very well done article). He said he asked for it because he wanted to have a say in who replaced him but more importantly he said his fire as wained in recent years but he wants to go out big. Also Hope (the successor) was the O-line coach back in the early 2000's when we had great o-lines and the offense was at its peak. Also I've read that Tiller has vowed to go back to how they ran the offense in the late 90's-early 2000's aka passing 80 percent of the time. The bowl game showed it can still dominant.

 

Here's the link to the article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3323377

 

For the first time since Orton's days (and maybe before that) I am expecting Purdue to win at least 9 and perhaps get to 10.

[dew1679666265]

Purdue has Painter back as well as many other starters (both RB's who together did great last year). The biggest hole is WR (Orton will dominant though mark my words) but with our offense that's never been a problem.

 

The biggest boost will actually be Tiller and our scheme. When they announced they were going to find a successor and bring him in this year Tiller had a long interview with ESPN (relax it was actually very well done article). He said he asked for it because he wanted to have a say in who replaced him but more importantly he said his fire as wained in recent years but he wants to go out big. Also Hope (the successor) was the O-line coach back in the early 2000's when we had great o-lines and the offense was at its peak. Also I've read that Tiller has vowed to go back to how they ran the offense in the late 90's-early 2000's aka passing 80 percent of the time. The bowl game showed it can still dominant.

 

Here's the link to the article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3323377

 

For the first time since Orton's days (and maybe before that) I am expecting Purdue to win at least 9 and perhaps get to 10.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

It'd be interesting to see Purdue rise up, it would definitely help the Big 10 challenge for one of the top conferences once again (with OSU, Purdue, Wisconsin and, perhaps, MSU leading the way).

 

And a side note - is the WR Orton you brought up any relation to Kyle Orton? I doubt it, but figured I'd ask.

[Andy]

And a side note - is the WR Orton you brought up any relation to Kyle Orton? I doubt it, but figured I'd ask.

The WR Orton is black, so, no. :D

[dew1679666265]

And a side note - is the WR Orton you brought up any relation to Kyle Orton? I doubt it, but figured I'd ask.

The WR Orton is black, so, no. :D

 

Ahhh, that would be a clue I suppose. :lol:

[CubbieBum]

And a side note - is the WR Orton you brought up any relation to Kyle Orton? I doubt it, but figured I'd ask.

The WR Orton is black, so, no. :D

 

Ahhh, that would be a clue I suppose. :lol:

 

Jake and John Standeford are brothers though.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I'm curious to see some Big Ten Predictions. Here is what I think could happen.

 

1. tOSU. Obviously the most talented team in the conference, but I don't think they are so head and shoulders above everyone else that they will make it through undefeated. I think Boeckman is pretty overrated, however the defense is still going to be one of the best in the country.

2. Wisconsin. They have the deepest backfield in the Big Ten, and a huge weapon in Travis Beckham at TE. They also have a bit of a scheduling advantage drawing PSU, OSU, and Illinois at home. Nonconference schedule is very weak minus the trip to Fresno State, and I think this could hurt them come BCS time. Questions remain at QB though.

3. Penn State. Going to Iowa, Wisconsin, and OSU will be tough, but for some reason I believe in this team. If the senior wideouts finally have a QB who can get them the ball then I think they can make some noise.

4 (tie). Illinois. Very tough Big Ten schedule with road dates at PSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan within a five week stretch is compounded by playing Western Michigan in Detroit the week before the OSU matchup. God I hate Ron Guenther. I think if Illinois can get a win in one of the three road games they should end up here, and in a decent bowl game. Rematch against OSU should be fun. Need to find a replacement for Mendenhall or Juice could be in trouble.

4 (tie). Purdue. Painter is an absolute stud. Tiller figures to have a good last season with the Boilers, I think they end up with same conference win total as Illinois, and get revenge against IU. All home games seem very winnable, with only sure loss in Big Ten coming at OSU.

5. Michigan. I don't know much about Michigan this year, but I do know that there is talent up there left over from the Carr era. RR should be able to win some games while transitioning his system.

6. MSU. I'm a big Mark Dantonio fan and think that his program is going to be really good very soon. Losing Thomas early to the draft was obviously a blow, and replacing Ringer and Caulcrick will be tough in the backfield. If Dantonio keeps recruiting this program will keep improving, I see them as being bowl bound this year.

7. Iowa. QB play will determine their fate. The program has been in turmoil lately with all the arrests. This year could be put up or shut up time for Iowa.

8. Northwestern. Tyrell Sutton returns and could be one of the best backs in the conference. Look for NW to pull at least one big upset as they seem to do it most every year. Upset special: October 18th against Purdue in a high scoring spread offense shootout. They should easily win all of their out of conference games.

9. Indiana. Reinstating Kellen Lewis from his indefinate suspension without missing a game was another classy move by such a classy school. Wow, they finally made a bowl last year, congratulations maybe they can win more games then their basketball team this year.

10. Minnesota. Brewster has been recruiting well, but still needs another year to clean up that mess.

 

Sorry for the length I am just really excited to get the season under way. And for the love of God someone beat OSU so we don't have to watch them embarrass themselves in the National Title Game again.

 

Edit: Fixed my type-o

Edited July 23, 2008 by NeifiIsMyHomeBoy

[Andy]

I think it's safe to say that's the first time I've seen Mark Dantonio confused for Mike D'Antoni.

[mjohnson71]

Has anyone received their Illini/Missouri game tickets for St. Louis? I just got mine last week.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Has anyone received their Illini/Missouri game tickets for St. Louis? I just got mine last week.

 

Ah thanks for reminding me. I've got to go pick mine up tomorrow.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I ordered mine over the phone, I have to get them at the arena the first week of August.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

HA HA HA HA

 

So I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the fact that the Kansas State football coach told a captive Scott City Catbackers audience that his junior quarterback, Josh Freeman, is regarded by NFL personnel types as a possible No. 1 choice in the NFL Draft - whenever he chooses to come out.

 

I found it ludicrous, telling Prince as much afterwards. His response? That’s what he was told, based on Freeman’s size, arm strength and his sophomore season production.

 

Still, I didn’t believe. Until today.

 

Through an indirect, three-way conversation with a source and a representative from an established and powerful agency - trust me, you know several of its clients - I was told that if Freeman has “a mediocre” season, he’ll be the No. 1 pick.

 

In next year’s NFL Draft.