MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[David]

We're not long from how long the Soriano thread got...

 

We're already well past it. Check the Soriano thread in this board format. It's 91 pages and 2270 posts long. This thread is 100 pages and 2490 posts long.

 

I still can't believe he got 8 freaking years. Unbelievable. You agree?

 

 

It's gonna be nice having Soriano at like 50 bajillion dollars in 2014.

[CubinNY]

Why are people complaining about this being a long transaction thread?

 

There are no other Cubs transactions even rumored at the moment.

 

I think people are marvelling at the length more than complaining.

That's what she said.

[mdwilla]

I want this done beofore the convention thats all I ask. If Hendry can go out and also get Burnett/Colon and some more help for the bench that would help me feel a lot better about this team.

[WrigleyinEngland]

if you think some people talk alot of BS on this site you should go take a look at the Orioles Hangout. Now that the trade appears dead Brian Roberts is the 2nd coming of Sandberg and just from switching leagues would crush NL Central Pitching. Our offer was totally unacceptable and we should only come back when we're willing to discuss Pie/Hill. I need some of what they've been smoking.............

[frostwyrm]

We're not long from how long the Soriano thread got...

 

We're already well past it. Check the Soriano thread in this board format. It's 91 pages and 2270 posts long. This thread is 100 pages and 2490 posts long.

 

I still can't believe he got 8 freaking years. Unbelievable. You agree?

 

 

It's gonna be nice having Soriano at like 50 bajillion dollars in 2014.

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'll say "well played" before the freak out responses.

[frostwyrm]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you're not, I'd like to point out that leadoff hitter isn't a position. LF is a position.

[98navigator]

Oh God, now we have Steve Stone, on The Score, advocating the Cubs get Eckstein if they can't or don't want to pay a high price for Roberts. No thanks.

 

edited to correct spelling

Edited January 10, 2008 by 98navigator

[David]

Eckstein? He signed for way less than he thought he was getting a while ago.

 

FWIW, he would be an upgrade over Theriot.

[CUBZ99]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you're not, I'd like to point out that leadoff hitter isn't a position. LF is a position.

 

Really a debate of semantics? I'm pretty sure the term they use for the person who bats first in the lineup is "leadoff hitter". And the person that bats in the first position in the batting order is the "leadoff hitter".

[MSG T]

Old God, now we have Steve Stone, on The Score, advocating the Cubs get Eckstein if they can't or don't want to pay a high price for Roberts. No thanks.

 

Holy crap, I'd rather have Theriot there than Eck. At least Ryan is cheap. Of course, given the possible choices( on the current roster), I'd rather have Ronny there.

[David]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you're not, I'd like to point out that leadoff hitter isn't a position. LF is a position.

 

Really a debate of semantics? I'm pretty sure the term they use for the person who bats first in the lineup is "leadoff hitter". And the person that bats in the first position in the batting order is the "leadoff hitter".

 

Not a debate of semantics at all, and goony was definitely joking.

 

Positions and positional values are determined on the field. Lineup order comes after that.

[98navigator]

Eckstein? He signed for way less than he thought he was getting a while ago.

 

FWIW, he would be an upgrade over Theriot.

 

 

Hmmmm, I think you're right but I can't remember. Anyway, Stone just said it on the radio (he's doing his weekly show with Mike Murphy). Stone irritates me the more I listen to him...

[jersey cubs fan]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you're not, I'd like to point out that leadoff hitter isn't a position. LF is a position.

 

Well, then if he does fall below average for leadoff hitters, they can just move him to 7th or 8th, where he'll have a better chance of actually being well above average for his position. Problem solved.

[E.J.]

Stoney is an idiot. Eckstein signed with the Jays a while ago. The Cubs would have to trade for him at the trading deadline at the earliest.

[frostwyrm]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you're not, I'd like to point out that leadoff hitter isn't a position. LF is a position.

 

Really a debate of semantics? I'm pretty sure the term they use for the person who bats first in the lineup is "leadoff hitter". And the person that bats in the first position in the batting order is the "leadoff hitter".

 

Nah, it's not semantics. When you talk about a player's postion it's understood you mean his defensive position and not his spot in the batting order, though it is true you meet people who will talk about leadoff hitter as if it's a position. These people generally have some experience riding buses of below average length.

[frostwyrm]

 

$19M per year for the back half of the 8-year contract, for a player whose production probably won't even be average for his position.

 

The average leadoff hitter had a 759 OPS last year, if that stays the average the next 8 years, Soriano has a good chance of remaining average for his position.

 

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you're not, I'd like to point out that leadoff hitter isn't a position. LF is a position.

 

Well, then if he does fall below average for leadoff hitters, they can just move him to 7th or 8th, where he'll have a better chance of actually being well above average for his position. Problem solved.

 

Dude, good thinking! The Dodgers could move Juan Pierre to 8th and make a weakness into a strength. Why aren't we GM's yet?

[erik316wttn]

Stoney is an idiot. Eckstein signed with the Jays a while ago. The Cubs would have to trade for him at the trading deadline at the earliest.

 

Eck signed as a free agent, correct? If that's the case, I believe he can't be traded until June 1st at the earliest.

 

Not that I'm saying the Cubs should get him or will even pursue him, or even that I want him. I just think that this is the rule.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why aren't we GM's yet?

 

It's all politics.

[Banedon]

Why aren't we GM's yet?

 

It's all politics.

 

Try crying a little. 8-)

[Soul]

I heard Stoney's comments too and was like....."eeeh?"

 

He went through Roberts' stats, said they were all good, then went on to suggest if we were going to "give up the entire farm system" it should be for Bedard, not Roberts.

 

OK, I haven't heard a trade rumor yet that involved giving up our entire farm system, or even close really.

[frostwyrm]

I really think we need Gallagher and Marshall. I have a feeling that Dempster and Marquis are both going to flop fast and hard. Worst thing would be another desperate scramble to acquire more trash like Steve Trachsel.

[inari]

I don't mind losing Marshall, but Gallagher would be a huge loss. Starters with his success at every level don't grow on trees.

[Mephistopheles]

Actually they do.

 

Ryan O'Malley, Jae-kuk Ryu and Randy Wells fall under that description.

Edited January 10, 2008 by Mephistopheles