MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[98navigator]

From OH

I was driving home about 20 minutes ago, ESPN 1300 didn't name names but said 2 pitchers and an outfielder...

 

The OF is probably Murton. Listen to 1300 for the updates live

[98navigator]

Oh goodness, 1300 is about to have loud-mouth Mike North on the show. They (1300 & 670 The Score) must be sister stations because their individual sites are almost identical. Both are CBS radio stations but 1300 is an ESPN affiliate.

[erik316wttn]

Just saw that Phil Rogers said Derrek Lee could hit 6th with the addition of Roberts...very interesting. And I think that's a solid idea as long as Theriot/whoever is 8th.

 

Derrek Lee's a good bet to have the best OBP on the team, and a pretty decent bet to be the best hitter on the team.

 

Dropping Lee in the order isn't good. He's our best all-around hitter (arguably). He should be 3rd, with ARam 4th and Fukudome 5th.

[Outshined_One]

So you would trade Colvin, Sean G, Sean M, and Cedeno for Roberts? I don't think I would.

 

I wouldn't be fine with that particular deal.

 

However, I get a bad feeling about Colvin when it comes to next season. People who like him can make excuses for his flaws since being drafted due to his tools and bright spots. At the same time, with the lack of walks he draws, there's a realistic chance that AA and AAA pitchers will eat him alive next season. If he doesn't magically fix that next season, I have a feeling his trade value will go down the crapper.

[David]

Just saw that Phil Rogers said Derrek Lee could hit 6th with the addition of Roberts...very interesting. And I think that's a solid idea as long as Theriot/whoever is 8th.

 

Derrek Lee's a good bet to have the best OBP on the team, and a pretty decent bet to be the best hitter on the team.

 

Dropping Lee in the order isn't good. He's our best all-around hitter (arguably). He should be 3rd, with ARam 4th and Fukudome 5th.

 

Who do you bat 2nd if Roberts is leading off?

 

Personally, I'd go Roberts, Fuku, Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

I think that's unlikely, though. They'll want to break up the lefties (well Roberts is a SH, but yea)...

 

I just really hope they don't drop Theriot in the 2 hole.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs better hope Lee returns to putting up big power numbers there's no reason Lee hits sixth in this Cubs lineup. Otherwise are only true power threats would be Ramirez and Soranio. Roberts and Fukodome would go along way towards helping the Cubs score some runs but there gonna need Lee's power also.

 

 

I can't see Derrek getting over 30 again.

 

I don't think its unrealistic to see Lee get over 30. Who knows why his power numbers were so bad to start '07 (wrist or any other explanations), but he was quite studly to end the season. No 2005 Lee will never come back, but I think we could hope for 04 Lee (32 HR) at least and if you think his 2004 numbers aren't bad, consider that his OBP and SLG were both higher last year. Please don't underestimate Lee's value to the 2007 Cubs because only 22 of his hits went over the fence.

 

I would be very disappointed if Lee repeated his 2004 numbers.

[David]

Oh goodness, 1300 is about to have loud-mouth Mike North on the show. They (1300 & 670 The Score) must be sister stations because their individual sites are almost identical. Both are CBS radio stations but 1300 is an ESPN affiliate.

 

 

This is why I don't care when the local radio guys call up the other city's local guys to have them on the air. More than likely it's some schmo who doesn't know anything about anything anyway. Just like our own local guys, by and large.

[DenverCubs]

From OH

I was driving home about 20 minutes ago, ESPN 1300 didn't name names but said 2 pitchers and an outfielder...

 

The OF is probably Murton. Listen to 1300 for the updates live

 

Would they consider Colvin an upgrade over Cedano. I would prefer either of them to Murton. A Murton/Ward bench would be nice to hang onto.

[rawaction]

I don't think we will see Fukudome and Roberts back-to-back in the lineup. Nor, do I think you will see Lee, Ramirez and Soriano in a row. If that's indeed the case, there's only 2 possibilities for me (assuming Roberts):

 

Roberts, Lee, Fukudome, Ramirez, Soriano, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

or

 

Soriano, Roberts, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

Basically depends on how much of the spotlight you want on Fukudome. But the 2nd lineup does have 3 players in a row with less than a 1/2 season of ABs between them.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't think we will see Fukudome and Roberts back-to-back in the lineup. Nor, do I think you will see Lee, Ramirez and Soriano in a row. If that's indeed the case, there's only 2 possibilities for me (assuming Roberts):

 

Roberts, Lee, Fukudome, Ramirez, Soriano, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

or

 

Soriano, Roberts, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

Basically depends on how much of the spotlight you want on Fukudome. But the 2nd lineup does have 3 players in a row with less than a 1/2 season of ABs between them.

 

From some of the lineups late last year (putting Floyd in between Lee and Ramirez) I definitely think you could see:

 

Soriano, Roberts, Lee, Fukudome, Ramirez, Soto, Pie, Theriot.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think we will see Fukudome and Roberts back-to-back in the lineup. Nor, do I think you will see Lee, Ramirez and Soriano in a row. If that's indeed the case, there's only 2 possibilities for me (assuming Roberts):

 

Roberts, Lee, Fukudome, Ramirez, Soriano, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

or

 

Soriano, Roberts, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

Basically depends on how much of the spotlight you want on Fukudome. But the 2nd lineup does have 3 players in a row with less than a 1/2 season of ABs between them.

 

I'd probably go with number 2, in the interest of easing Fukudome's transition into the majors. If he settles in nicely, and Soriano is struggling to get on (and the offense as a whole is struggling), then I think about the switch to #1.

[David]

I don't think we will see Fukudome and Roberts back-to-back in the lineup. Nor, do I think you will see Lee, Ramirez and Soriano in a row. If that's indeed the case, there's only 2 possibilities for me (assuming Roberts):

 

Roberts, Lee, Fukudome, Ramirez, Soriano, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

or

 

Soriano, Roberts, Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Soto, Pie, Theriot

 

Basically depends on how much of the spotlight you want on Fukudome. But the 2nd lineup does have 3 players in a row with less than a 1/2 season of ABs between them.

 

Option A is more or less what I'm thinking (well, realistically hoping) we'll see.

[rawaction]

From OH

I was driving home about 20 minutes ago, ESPN 1300 didn't name names but said 2 pitchers and an outfielder...

 

The OF is probably Murton. Listen to 1300 for the updates live

 

I've always had a problem with this. Seriously, if you know specifically it's 2 pitchers and an OF...why the hell can't you name them? If you know that much detail, how wouldn't you know it all? If you do know it all, what's the point of keeping it to yourself?

[jersey cubs fan]

From OH

I was driving home about 20 minutes ago, ESPN 1300 didn't name names but said 2 pitchers and an outfielder...

 

The OF is probably Murton. Listen to 1300 for the updates live

 

I've always had a problem with this. Seriously, if you know specifically it's 2 pitchers and an OF...why the hell can't you name them? If you know that much detail, how wouldn't you know it all? If you do know it all, what's the point of keeping it to yourself?

 

If the source asked the person not to reveal the names, then they would be taking a big risk by naming them.

[erik316wttn]

If we got Roberts, I wouldn't mind seeing Lee hit second.

 

 

That would be most ideal.

 

If his home run numbers were what they were last year, then yes. If he hits 30-40 homers, I would hit him 3rd.

[rawaction]

From OH

I was driving home about 20 minutes ago, ESPN 1300 didn't name names but said 2 pitchers and an outfielder...

 

The OF is probably Murton. Listen to 1300 for the updates live

 

I've always had a problem with this. Seriously, if you know specifically it's 2 pitchers and an OF...why the hell can't you name them? If you know that much detail, how wouldn't you know it all? If you do know it all, what's the point of keeping it to yourself?

 

If the source asked the person not to reveal the names, then they would be taking a big risk by naming them.

 

I don't see what difference it makes to the "source". Only the more than casual Cub fan even cares who the Cubs are sending. Brian Roberts is the only "name" in the deal. The headline will be "Roberts traded to Cubs in a 4 player deal". It would be different if it was a blockbuster consistenting of multiple superstars.

[David]

Saw a post on OH that says that Dave Kaplan on WGN Radio is reporting the following...

 

"Next up on the trade front is All Star second baseman Brian Roberts and standout starting pitcher Erik Bedard. The Cubs are hot to trot for Roberts who would fit perfectly at the top of their order but contrary to what is being reported in Baltimore, the price is very high. Several sources have reported that O's President Andy MacPhail is looking for pitchers Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher plus minor league shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others. Sources also tell me that GM Jim Hendry will not part with Hill in any deal and while he is willing to pay a high price, he is not willing to bankrupt his system of elite prospects."

 

I don't know if I buy that Andy MacPhail is asking for Rich Hill. He'd be laughed off the telephone immediately.

[rawaction]

If we got Roberts, I wouldn't mind seeing Lee hit second.

 

 

That would be most ideal.

 

If his home run numbers were what they were last year, then yes. If he hits 30-40 homers, I would hit him 3rd.

 

I don't see why it makes a difference. 35-37% of the time he'll have a man on base anyway. Only marginally better if Soriano, or God forbid, Theriot is added in front of him also.

[erik316wttn]

Saw a post on OH that says that Dave Kaplan on WGN Radio is reporting the following...

 

"Next up on the trade front is All Star second baseman Brian Roberts and standout starting pitcher Erik Bedard. The Cubs are hot to trot for Roberts who would fit perfectly at the top of their order but contrary to what is being reported in Baltimore, the price is very high. Several sources have reported that O's President Andy MacPhail is looking for pitchers Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher plus minor league shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others. Sources also tell me that GM Jim Hendry will not part with Hill in any deal and while he is willing to pay a high price, he is not willing to bankrupt his system of elite prospects."

 

I don't know if I buy that Andy MacPhail is asking for Rich Hill. He'd be laughed off the telephone immediately.

 

If they're asking for all that, Bedard better be coming over as well.

[brinoch]

Saw a post on OH that says that Dave Kaplan on WGN Radio is reporting the following...

 

"Next up on the trade front is All Star second baseman Brian Roberts and standout starting pitcher Erik Bedard. The Cubs are hot to trot for Roberts who would fit perfectly at the top of their order but contrary to what is being reported in Baltimore, the price is very high. Several sources have reported that O's President Andy MacPhail is looking for pitchers Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher plus minor league shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others. Sources also tell me that GM Jim Hendry will not part with Hill in any deal and while he is willing to pay a high price, he is not willing to bankrupt his system of elite prospects."

 

I don't know if I buy that Andy MacPhail is asking for Rich Hill. He'd be laughed off the telephone immediately.

 

This smacks to me of the good old expectations game. You leak selected bits of info about how much the Orioles are asking so that when you get fleeced by MacPhail, you can say that you bargained him down significantly. Look, you moved him from Pie/Hill/Gallagher to Marshall/Gallagher/Cedeno! What a great deal.

[rawaction]

Saw a post on OH that says that Dave Kaplan on WGN Radio is reporting the following...

 

"Next up on the trade front is All Star second baseman Brian Roberts and standout starting pitcher Erik Bedard. The Cubs are hot to trot for Roberts who would fit perfectly at the top of their order but contrary to what is being reported in Baltimore, the price is very high. Several sources have reported that O's President Andy MacPhail is looking for pitchers Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher plus minor league shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others. Sources also tell me that GM Jim Hendry will not part with Hill in any deal and while he is willing to pay a high price, he is not willing to bankrupt his system of elite prospects."

 

I don't know if I buy that Andy MacPhail is asking for Rich Hill. He'd be laughed off the telephone immediately.

 

This is probably a patented Hendry move to throw names out there just so when he trades too much later, people will look at the deal and say, "Hey, at least he didn't give up Rich Hill."

 

Great mods...er minds think alike. That's why we get paid the big bucks!

[YearofDaCubs]

We have elite prospects?

[inari]

If we ever traded Rich Hill for Brian Roberts then... Jesus, I don't know.

[PrimeTime]

If he gives up Hill without getting Bedard in return Id cry..All we would have is Z and Lilly..thatd be freakin terrible

[Soul]

Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others.

 

It's freakout time. I think I just had a heart attack.

 

This can't be happening.