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[Electron Blue]

 

"leadoff" isn't much of a designation no matter how you slice it, that was the point. You need eight hitters, and batting order has been proven to be fairly inconsequential.

 

Respectfully, that really is only an opinion.

 

I guess, though I've never understood the dissenting view.

[rchap24]

K well this is for multiple discussions.

First off: The Murton thing don't be a jerk and be a smart alec because I said lead off position. he is a lead off hitter which would be nice to have. You cant factor in throwing arm to compare Brian Roberts and Matt Murton they play infield and outfield. Murton is a horrible fielder so don't try to tell me which I don't know how good he is that Roberts can be equal or worse than him.

 

secondly: Sorry for saying you guys just know that a few of you use that with Murton every time there is a post about him

 

thirdly: Pie he might be great in the minors, but you are making an assumption that he is better than 31 other CF's in baseball outside of Taveras that can not possibly be made right now in his career.

 

Leadoff hitter is not a position in the game of baseball.

what is your problem, I made a mistake on saying that if thats your best comeback on trying to make me look bad then u obviously have no case in that argument

 

I think you're still misunderstanding peoples' answers to your post. Being a "leadoff hitter" is not a meaningful role that a player fills. Jose Reyes isn't a good leadoff hitter -- he's a good hitter who bats first in the order. Obviously, he's the "leadoff hitter," but to believe this is a position/role that must be filled is illogical.

 

And I don't mean to sound rude, but without periods and commas, some of your posts are a bit tough to read.

Your not dont worry, but I corrected myself by saying just a leadoff hitter and he came back right after that saying that I said leadoff position which I didnt

[Outshined_One]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

[Guest]

I'd swap Theriot for Cedeno if at all possible.

 

Of course I'd be worrying about holes at SS and the OF over non-existant ones at 2B.

[VanceJergins]

K well this is for multiple discussions.

First off: The Murton thing don't be a jerk and be a smart alec because I said lead off position. he is a lead off hitter which would be nice to have. You cant factor in throwing arm to compare Brian Roberts and Matt Murton they play infield and outfield. Murton is a horrible fielder so don't try to tell me which I don't know how good he is that Roberts can be equal or worse than him.

 

secondly: Sorry for saying you guys just know that a few of you use that with Murton every time there is a post about him

 

thirdly: Pie he might be great in the minors, but you are making an assumption that he is better than 31 other CF's in baseball outside of Taveras that can not possibly be made right now in his career.

 

Leadoff hitter is not a position in the game of baseball.

what is your problem, I made a mistake on saying that if thats your best comeback on trying to make me look bad then u obviously have no case in that argument

 

I think you're still misunderstanding peoples' answers to your post. Being a "leadoff hitter" is not a meaningful role that a player fills. Jose Reyes isn't a good leadoff hitter -- he's a good hitter who bats first in the order. Obviously, he's the "leadoff hitter," but to believe this is a position/role that must be filled is illogical.

 

And I don't mean to sound rude, but without periods and commas, some of your posts are a bit tough to read.

Your not dont worry, but I corrected myself by saying just a leadoff hitter and he came back right after that saying that I said leadoff position which I didnt

 

I think you're missing the point.

[Wrigley Rat]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

This reply is strictly out of irony, but happy 16,000th post-to-be! I personally appreciate reading your posts! :)

[Geech]

I'd swap Theriot for Cedeno if at all possible.

 

Of course I'd be worrying about holes at SS and the OF over non-existant ones at 2B.

 

Jim Hendry clearly seems more worried about 2B for some reason. Is he really that stu- Oh, yeah.

[VanceJergins]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

 

pssh!

[USSoccer]

K well this is for multiple discussions.

First off: The Murton thing don't be a jerk and be a smart alec because I said lead off position. he is a lead off hitter which would be nice to have. You cant factor in throwing arm to compare Brian Roberts and Matt Murton they play infield and outfield. Murton is a horrible fielder so don't try to tell me which I don't know how good he is that Roberts can be equal or worse than him.

 

secondly: Sorry for saying you guys just know that a few of you use that with Murton every time there is a post about him

 

thirdly: Pie he might be great in the minors, but you are making an assumption that he is better than 31 other CF's in baseball outside of Taveras that can not possibly be made right now in his career.

 

Leadoff hitter is not a position in the game of baseball.

what is your problem, I made a mistake on saying that if thats your best comeback on trying to make me look bad then u obviously have no case in that argument

 

Ok, now it's on.

 

Matt Murton is a pre-prime, cheap OF who's proven he can be a decent, cheap OF. We currently have no RF. Brian Roberts is a 30 year old 2B who's marginally better than our current 2B and makes $4.2m. He would cost the Cubs 2 or 3 good trading chips. Thus, Matt Murton has more value to the Cubs than this trade for Brian Roberts.

 

Second, leadoff hitter isn't a position. It's an old timey way of looking at a lineup's composition (which really doesn't matter much when you look at it). Offense is offense, regardless if it is hitting 1st, 6th or 8th.

 

Finally, baseballs don't travel differently in the minors as opposed to the majors. Pie's minor league career is a perfectly justified method of evaluating his defensive ability. And for what it's worth, 40 ML games isn't that small of a sample size.

Edited December 6, 2007 by USSoccer

[rchap24]

K well this is for multiple discussions.

First off: The Murton thing don't be a jerk and be a smart alec because I said lead off position. he is a lead off hitter which would be nice to have. You cant factor in throwing arm to compare Brian Roberts and Matt Murton they play infield and outfield. Murton is a horrible fielder so don't try to tell me which I don't know how good he is that Roberts can be equal or worse than him.

 

secondly: Sorry for saying you guys just know that a few of you use that with Murton every time there is a post about him

 

thirdly: Pie he might be great in the minors, but you are making an assumption that he is better than 31 other CF's in baseball outside of Taveras that can not possibly be made right now in his career.

 

Leadoff hitter is not a position in the game of baseball.

what is your problem, I made a mistake on saying that if thats your best comeback on trying to make me look bad then u obviously have no case in that argument

 

I think you're still misunderstanding peoples' answers to your post. Being a "leadoff hitter" is not a meaningful role that a player fills. Jose Reyes isn't a good leadoff hitter -- he's a good hitter who bats first in the order. Obviously, he's the "leadoff hitter," but to believe this is a position/role that must be filled is illogical.

 

And I don't mean to sound rude, but without periods and commas, some of your posts are a bit tough to read.

Your not dont worry, but I corrected myself by saying just a leadoff hitter and he came back right after that saying that I said leadoff position which I didnt

 

I think you're missing the point.

 

Know im not I understand what you last two are trying to say, but UsSoccer said that twice to me soley for the purpose to make me sound dumb, which I corrected myself by saying its not a position, but there is a place in the order which is called the leadoff spot or leadoff hitter.

[Burtonbell]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

 

pssh!

 

Clearly O_O is not having a good interview for mod. #-o

[E.J.]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

 

As long as you're the first up for castration.

[weis21]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

 

pssh!

 

+1

[Outshined_One]

Hmmmmmmmmm...didn't realize I have 16,000 posts.

 

Of course, all of them have been deep, insightful, meaningful, and in no way useless to this forum whatsoever! :D

 

I have to come up with something big for my 16,000th post...

[CubinNY]

K well this is for multiple discussions.

First off: The Murton thing don't be a jerk and be a smart alec because I said lead off position. he is a lead off hitter which would be nice to have. You cant factor in throwing arm to compare Brian Roberts and Matt Murton they play infield and outfield. Murton is a horrible fielder so don't try to tell me which I don't know how good he is that Roberts can be equal or worse than him.

 

secondly: Sorry for saying you guys just know that a few of you use that with Murton every time there is a post about him

 

thirdly: Pie he might be great in the minors, but you are making an assumption that he is better than 31 other CF's in baseball outside of Taveras that can not possibly be made right now in his career.

 

Leadoff hitter is not a position in the game of baseball.

what is your problem, I made a mistake on saying that if thats your best comeback on trying to make me look bad then u obviously have no case in that argument

 

Ok, now it's on.

 

Matt Murton is a pre-prime, cheap OF who's proven he can be a decent, cheap OF. We currently have no RF. Brian Roberts is a 32 year old 2B who's marginally better than our current 2B and makes $4.2m. He would cost the Cubs 2 or 3 good trading chips. Thus, Matt Murton has more value to the Cubs than this trade for Brian Roberts.

 

Second, leadoff hitter isn't a position. It's an old timey way of looking at a lineup's composition (which really doesn't matter much when you look at it). Offense is offense, regardless if it is hitting 1st, 6th or 8th.

 

Finally, baseballs don't travel differently in the minors as opposed to the majors. Pie's minor league career is a perfectly justified method of evaluating his defensive ability. And for what it's worth, 40 ML games isn't that small of a sample size.

psst, Roberts will be 30 next year.

[Guest]

Nothing's been out of line yet, but let's keep it civil...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I predict this thread reaches forty pages before a deal is finalized either way.

[Post Count Padder]

strange. Levine said expect it tonight or early tomorrow. Surely one of these men wouldn't be incorrect?!?! :D

 

Cripes, not another painfully long and agonizing thread...

What would you do as a moderator to shorten them?

 

Institute a mandatory castration policy for people who are clearly padding their post count.

:shock: 8-[

[USSoccer]

 

Ok, now it's on.

 

Matt Murton is a pre-prime, cheap OF who's proven he can be a decent, cheap OF. We currently have no RF. Brian Roberts is a 32 year old 2B who's marginally better than our current 2B and makes $4.2m. He would cost the Cubs 2 or 3 good trading chips. Thus, Matt Murton has more value to the Cubs than this trade for Brian Roberts.

 

Second, leadoff hitter isn't a position. It's an old timey way of looking at a lineup's composition (which really doesn't matter much when you look at it). Offense is offense, regardless if it is hitting 1st, 6th or 8th.

 

Finally, baseballs don't travel differently in the minors as opposed to the majors. Pie's minor league career is a perfectly justified method of evaluating his defensive ability. And for what it's worth, 40 ML games isn't that small of a sample size.

psst, Roberts will be 30 next year.

 

Fixed, but the point remains the same.

[Derwood]

Nothing's been out of line yet, but let's keep it civil...

 

yet another case of "let's pile on the newbie". you'd think it would get old (but some people just can't help it)

[rchap24]

K well this is for multiple discussions.

First off: The Murton thing don't be a jerk and be a smart alec because I said lead off position. he is a lead off hitter which would be nice to have. You cant factor in throwing arm to compare Brian Roberts and Matt Murton they play infield and outfield. Murton is a horrible fielder so don't try to tell me which I don't know how good he is that Roberts can be equal or worse than him.

 

secondly: Sorry for saying you guys just know that a few of you use that with Murton every time there is a post about him

 

thirdly: Pie he might be great in the minors, but you are making an assumption that he is better than 31 other CF's in baseball outside of Taveras that can not possibly be made right now in his career.

 

Leadoff hitter is not a position in the game of baseball.

what is your problem, I made a mistake on saying that if thats your best comeback on trying to make me look bad then u obviously have no case in that argument

 

Ok, now it's on.

 

Matt Murton is a pre-prime, cheap OF who's proven he can be a decent, cheap OF. We currently have no RF. Brian Roberts is a 32 year old 2B who's marginally better than our current 2B and makes $4.2m. He would cost the Cubs 2 or 3 good trading chips. Thus, Matt Murton has more value to the Cubs than this trade for Brian Roberts.

 

Second, leadoff hitter isn't a position. It's an old timey way of looking at a lineup's composition (which really doesn't matter much when you look at it). Offense is offense, regardless if it is hitting 1st, 6th or 8th.

 

Finally, baseballs don't travel differently in the minors as opposed to the majors. Pie's minor league career is a perfectly justified method of evaluating his defensive ability. And for what it's worth, 40 ML games isn't that small of a sample size.

Congratulations dude your awesome! by the way roberts is 30 so if you r going to turn it on as you say make sure your facts are straight.

[Abe Frohman]

 

"leadoff" isn't much of a designation no matter how you slice it, that was the point. You need eight hitters, and batting order has been proven to be fairly inconsequential.

 

Respectfully, that really is only an opinion.

 

I guess, though I've never understood the dissenting view.

 

I understand. I just appreciate the art that made Rickey Henderson so great. I just haven't really studied all of the "mathmatical" analysis of the game - just what I learned on the field. I like to think the "leadoff hitter" has a pretty defined role - and I mean the first batter of the game, as each inning literally has a different "leadoff hitter" if one wants to be technical.

[Guest]

Nothing's been out of line yet, but let's keep it civil...

 

yet another case of "let's pile on the newbie". you'd think it would get old (but some people just can't help it)

rchap's not a newbie. He/she just doesn't post much.

[Burtonbell]

I predict this thread reaches forty pages before a deal is finalized either way.

 

And Dunn's name is nowhere to be found...Oh wait... #-o [-X

[Derwood]

Nothing's been out of line yet, but let's keep it civil...

 

yet another case of "let's pile on the newbie". you'd think it would get old (but some people just can't help it)

rchap's not a newbie. He/she just doesn't post much.

 

i realize that, but people put too much into post count as far as whose opinions they do/don't respect