College Football - Championship Week

[Sosa21MVP]

CMU/Purdue is official. Purdue led that game 38-0 at one point in the regular season. What a ridiculous matchup.

 

Wow, that is horrible. But I guess MSU is heading for the Champs Bowl now. With MSU and Indiana picked already, the Motor City Bowl had no other choice but to take Purdue.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I get the B12 was pushing for another team in the Fiesta and why Kansas would of gotten the nod, but i sure dont get why the Orange selected Kansas over Mizz. Thats jacked.

 

I agree. Nothing aganist KU fans, but Missouri was ranked higher in all the polls and the BCS than KU, and had a much higher strength of schedule.

 

Something's seriously wrong with this picture.

 

Mizzou shouldn't have played in the big 12 title game. Ended up screwing us over. I'd really, really, really like to know the reasoning behind picking ku over Missouri.

 

 

I've heard Mizzou didn't travel well to it's last 1 or 2 bowl games. I don't know if it's true. But if it is, that plays a part in it.

 

But it's Kansas, how do we not favorably compare when it comes to attendance, media attention, etc.? It's not like they took Texas instead of us.

[snoodmonger]

I get the B12 was pushing for another team in the Fiesta and why Kansas would of gotten the nod, but i sure dont get why the Orange selected Kansas over Mizz. Thats jacked.

 

I agree. Nothing aganist KU fans, but Missouri was ranked higher in all the polls and the BCS than KU, and had a much higher strength of schedule.

 

Something's seriously wrong with this picture.

 

Mizzou shouldn't have played in the big 12 title game. Ended up screwing us over. I'd really, really, really like to know the reasoning behind picking ku over Missouri.

 

I don't know. My reasoning is that a hopeless, sick, two running cards to a straight flush suck out.

 

Missouri had the 26th SOS, beat two teams going to a BCS bowl.

 

Kansas was 109th in SOS, and their best win was against Ok St.

 

Missouri beat KU head to head, and their two losses were to 1 team.

 

What the hell is going on here?

 

I've already said it once, but maybe you missed it.

 

The bowls aren't required to pick the best teams. When it comes to at-large bids, they pick wahtever eligible team they believe will bring them the most money, TV ratings, etc. For whatever reason, the OB thought KU was the better pick. It isn't fair to Mizzou; I'll be the first to admit it. They proved they're the better team.

[Magnetic Curses]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

 

Andy just nailed it.

 

nailed what? illinois beat the #5 team in the country and the #1 team in the country, case closed.

[cbbryan]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

I'll explain in three sentences.

 

ND beat No. 3 Michigan at the Big House in 2005. Michigan finished 7-5. No one did or should have considered that a top 5 win.

 

End.

 

The stats site that as a top 5 win.

 

It's not really hard to understand. I agree that Wisconsin isn't a top 5 program right now, but that is what they were ranked at the time they played Illinois.

 

The fact of the matter is, Illinois beat 2 top 5 ranked teams. Whether you think those teams should have been ranked in the top 5 is another issue all together.

[CubColtPacer]

Ohio State is 0-8 vs the SEC in bowl games.

 

Gee, I wonder why is that?

 

who knows, but anyone who thinks that record is meaningful needs to work on their analytical skills. im pretty sure a good portion of those games occured over 15 years ago

 

Really? Then what conference was Florida in? the WAC?

 

Gimmie a break. If there is a Big 10 school, matching up aganist a SEC school, almost 75% of the time, a SEC school is going to win it. The talent in the SEC > the talent in the Big 10.

 

Go check the Big Ten vs Sec in bowl games since the BCS system. B10 has the slight advantage.

 

For now. Just give it time. It'll slant over to the SEC eventually.

 

That covers a period of 10 years! How long are we supposed to wait before the SEC gains this 75 percent advantage?

[Coach C]

I get the B12 was pushing for another team in the Fiesta and why Kansas would of gotten the nod, but i sure dont get why the Orange selected Kansas over Mizz. Thats jacked.

 

I agree. Nothing aganist KU fans, but Missouri was ranked higher in all the polls and the BCS than KU, and had a much higher strength of schedule.

 

Something's seriously wrong with this picture.

 

Mizzou shouldn't have played in the big 12 title game. Ended up screwing us over. I'd really, really, really like to know the reasoning behind picking ku over Missouri.

 

I don't know. My reasoning is that a hopeless, sick, two running cards to a straight flush suck out.

 

Missouri had the 26th SOS, beat two teams going to a BCS bowl.

 

Kansas was 109th in SOS, and their best win was against Ok St.

 

Missouri beat KU head to head, and their two losses were to 1 team.

 

What the hell is going on here?

 

I've already said it once, but maybe you missed it.

 

The bowls aren't required to pick the best teams. When it comes to at-large bids, they pick wahtever eligible team they believe will bring them the most money, TV ratings, etc. For whatever reason, the OB thought KU was the better pick. It isn't fair to Mizzou; I'll be the first to admit it. They proved they're the better team.

 

I understand that they aren't required to pick the best teams. However, it's like picking a 3rd best team in the conferece to play in a BCS bowl over a #2 team in the conferece, who will be going to the Cotton Bowl.

 

Think of this message. Great job on finishing 2nd in the conference, but we're picking the 3rd best team. Yes, that team that you just beat a week ago. What kind of a message does that send?

Edited December 3, 2007 by Coach C

[jaydee]

Ohio State is 0-8 vs the SEC in bowl games.

 

Gee, I wonder why is that?

 

who knows, but anyone who thinks that record is meaningful needs to work on their analytical skills. im pretty sure a good portion of those games occured over 15 years ago

 

Really? Then what conference was Florida in? the WAC?

 

Gimmie a break. If there is a Big 10 school, matching up aganist a SEC school, almost 75% of the time, a SEC school is going to win it. The talent in the SEC > the talent in the Big 10.

 

apparently in your mind the florida game makes up the majoriy of those 8 games, or you just didnt read my post very well. difference.

[cubweiser03]

I get the B12 was pushing for another team in the Fiesta and why Kansas would of gotten the nod, but i sure dont get why the Orange selected Kansas over Mizz. Thats jacked.

 

I agree. Nothing aganist KU fans, but Missouri was ranked higher in all the polls and the BCS than KU, and had a much higher strength of schedule.

 

Something's seriously wrong with this picture.

 

Mizzou shouldn't have played in the big 12 title game. Ended up screwing us over. I'd really, really, really like to know the reasoning behind picking ku over Missouri.

 

 

I've heard Mizzou didn't travel well to it's last 1 or 2 bowl games. I don't know if it's true. But if it is, that plays a part in it.

 

But it's Kansas, how do we not favorably compare when it comes to attendance, media attention, etc.? It's not like they took Texas instead of us.

 

Yeah i would get the UT pick over Mizz, my perception is KU and Mizz are on the same level. The Orange has some interesting questions needing answers.

[Exile on Waveland]

Ohio State is 0-8 vs the SEC in bowl games.

 

Gee, I wonder why is that?

 

who knows, but anyone who thinks that record is meaningful needs to work on their analytical skills. im pretty sure a good portion of those games occured over 15 years ago

 

Really? Then what conference was Florida in? the WAC?

 

Gimmie a break. If there is a Big 10 school, matching up aganist a SEC school, almost 75% of the time, a SEC school is going to win it. The talent in the SEC > the talent in the Big 10.

 

Go check the Big Ten vs Sec in bowl games since the BCS system. B10 has the slight advantage.

 

For now. Just give it time. It'll slant over to the SEC eventually.

 

Um, because, why? You think so? Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I agree the talent is better in the SEC, but it's been that way for a long while and the Big Ten fairs quite well. You just said the SEC wins 75% of the time, which just isn't accurate. In fact, last year the Big Ten was 2-1 against the SEC in bowl games. Now, that doesn't prove they were a better conference, but it sure isn't 75%, is it?

[snoodmonger]

I get the B12 was pushing for another team in the Fiesta and why Kansas would of gotten the nod, but i sure dont get why the Orange selected Kansas over Mizz. Thats jacked.

 

I agree. Nothing aganist KU fans, but Missouri was ranked higher in all the polls and the BCS than KU, and had a much higher strength of schedule.

 

Something's seriously wrong with this picture.

 

Mizzou shouldn't have played in the big 12 title game. Ended up screwing us over. I'd really, really, really like to know the reasoning behind picking ku over Missouri.

 

 

I've heard Mizzou didn't travel well to it's last 1 or 2 bowl games. I don't know if it's true. But if it is, that plays a part in it.

 

 

But it's Kansas, how do we not favorably compare when it comes to attendance, media attention, etc.? It's not like they took Texas instead of us.

 

 

Well KU has a good history of traveling, be it in our infrequent bowl games or our hoops team. As for media attention, we've probably gotten more this year, based largely on the nationwide shock we won more than 4 games. Maybe we had solid ratings when we were televised this year. I don't know. It's all speculation. For whatever reason, the OB saw us as more profitable.

[snoodmonger]

I get the B12 was pushing for another team in the Fiesta and why Kansas would of gotten the nod, but i sure dont get why the Orange selected Kansas over Mizz. Thats jacked.

 

I agree. Nothing aganist KU fans, but Missouri was ranked higher in all the polls and the BCS than KU, and had a much higher strength of schedule.

 

Something's seriously wrong with this picture.

 

Mizzou shouldn't have played in the big 12 title game. Ended up screwing us over. I'd really, really, really like to know the reasoning behind picking ku over Missouri.

 

I don't know. My reasoning is that a hopeless, sick, two running cards to a straight flush suck out.

 

Missouri had the 26th SOS, beat two teams going to a BCS bowl.

 

Kansas was 109th in SOS, and their best win was against Ok St.

 

Missouri beat KU head to head, and their two losses were to 1 team.

 

What the hell is going on here?

 

I've already said it once, but maybe you missed it.

 

The bowls aren't required to pick the best teams. When it comes to at-large bids, they pick wahtever eligible team they believe will bring them the most money, TV ratings, etc. For whatever reason, the OB thought KU was the better pick. It isn't fair to Mizzou; I'll be the first to admit it. They proved they're the better team.

 

I understand that they aren't required to pick the best teams. However, it's like picking a 3rd best team in the conferece to play in a BCS bowl over a #2 team in the conferece, who will be going to the Cotton Bowl.

 

Think of this message. Great job on finishing 2nd in the conference, but we're picking the 3rd best team. Yes, that team that you just beat a week ago. What kind of a message does that send?

 

I doubt the Orange Bowl cares as long as their pockets get lined.

[Magnetic Curses]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

I'll explain in three sentences.

 

ND beat No. 3 Michigan at the Big House in 2005. Michigan finished 7-5. No one did or should have considered that a top 5 win.

 

End.

 

The stats site that as a top 5 win.

 

It's not really hard to understand. I agree that Wisconsin isn't a top 5 program right now, but that is what they were ranked at the time they played Illinois.

 

The fact of the matter is, Illinois beat 2 top 5 ranked teams. Whether you think those teams should have been ranked in the top 5 is another issue all together.

 

oh, and they also have 7 wins against teams with winning records-and 6 wins against either bowl or bowl eligible teams, losing 2 close games to 2 others.

[Exile on Waveland]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

I'll explain in three sentences.

 

ND beat No. 3 Michigan at the Big House in 2005. Michigan finished 7-5. No one did or should have considered that a top 5 win.

 

End.

 

The stats site that as a top 5 win.

 

It's not really hard to understand. I agree that Wisconsin isn't a top 5 program right now, but that is what they were ranked at the time they played Illinois.

 

The fact of the matter is, Illinois beat 2 top 5 ranked teams. Whether you think those teams should have been ranked in the top 5 is another issue all together.

 

oh, and they also have 7 wins against teams with winning records-and 6 wins against either bowl or bowl eligible teams, losing 2 close games to 2 others.

 

In my opinion, Illinois was the best team Indiana played this year. Of course, they missed both OSU and Michigan. I was very impressed by Illinois at that game.

[Magnetic Curses]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

I'll explain in three sentences.

 

ND beat No. 3 Michigan at the Big House in 2005. Michigan finished 7-5. No one did or should have considered that a top 5 win.

 

End.

 

when you go back and cite a certain team's all-time record against #1 teams, that does't necessarily mean that every one of those #1 teams goes on to win the national title, does it?

 

now, that's nailed, right?

[Andy]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

I'll explain in three sentences.

 

ND beat No. 3 Michigan at the Big House in 2005. Michigan finished 7-5. No one did or should have considered that a top 5 win.

 

End.

 

when you go back and cite a certain team's all-time record against #1 teams, that does't necessarily mean that every one of those #1 teams goes on to win the national title, does it?

 

now, that's nailed, right?

Alright, fine. In that case I'm going back and using this any time someone says Charlie Weis has never beaten a top 20 team (luckily, now that we suck this topic doesn't come up as much).

[Magnetic Curses]

In my opinion, Illinois was the best team Indiana played this year. Of course, they missed both OSU and Michigan. I was very impressed by Illinois at that game.

 

and i count the indiana game as one of the illini's key victories. indiana is tough and will be for a while.

[Sosa21MVP]

Not anymore because they got beat. They were #5 when Illinois beat them. So, yes, they were a top 5 team.

 

That's some mind bendingly awful logic.

 

I agree. I mean.....wow. :lol:

 

Are you saying a team shouldn't get credit for beating a team ranked in the top 5 in the nation?

 

What constitutes a top 5 win? My logic is apparently flawed so please explain.

I'll explain in three sentences.

 

ND beat No. 3 Michigan at the Big House in 2005. Michigan finished 7-5. No one did or should have considered that a top 5 win.

 

End.

 

The stats site that as a top 5 win.

 

It's not really hard to understand. I agree that Wisconsin isn't a top 5 program right now, but that is what they were ranked at the time they played Illinois.

 

The fact of the matter is, Illinois beat 2 top 5 ranked teams. Whether you think those teams should have been ranked in the top 5 is another issue all together.

 

That is cool. And for the record I feel like they are a good pick for the Rose Bowl. It's not like I'm saying they don't belong. I just don't put much stock in claiming a Top 5 win against a team that ended up proving not at all worthy of that ranking.

[Derwood]

Dear Missouri fans,

 

1994

 

Sincerely,

 

Penn State Fans

[cbbryan]

BTW, Ticketmaster will have a "limited amount" of Rose Bowl tickets available on Tuesday at 8 AM PST. $135/ticket. I'll be online buying mine.

[Keener98]

In my opinion, Illinois was the best team Indiana played this year. Of course, they missed both OSU and Michigan. I was very impressed by Illinois at that game.

 

and i count the indiana game as one of the illini's key victories. indiana is tough and will be for a while.

 

And people said IU and U of I fans cant get along :D

[Exile on Waveland]

In my opinion, Illinois was the best team Indiana played this year. Of course, they missed both OSU and Michigan. I was very impressed by Illinois at that game.

 

and i count the indiana game as one of the illini's key victories. indiana is tough and will be for a while.

 

I felt going in the winner of Indiana-Illinios would be the Big Ten's surprise team. I just hoped it was Indiana, though I didn't plan on it. I am, however, worried about IU's future. As long as they have Kellen Lewis at QB they'll be competitive. We'll see after that, though.

[Magnetic Curses]

In my opinion, Illinois was the best team Indiana played this year. Of course, they missed both OSU and Michigan. I was very impressed by Illinois at that game.

 

and i count the indiana game as one of the illini's key victories. indiana is tough and will be for a while.

 

I felt going in the winner of Indiana-Illinios would be the Big Ten's surprise team. I just hoped it was Indiana, though I didn't plan on it. I am, however, worried about IU's future. As long as they have Kellen Lewis at QB they'll be competitive. We'll see after that, though.

 

well, they have a 2 year stay of execution, and i think they'll figure something out by then.

[Mizzou]

Not to repeat what others have already said, but... kU being in a BCS game and Mizzou not is just absolutely [expletive]. They play crap teams all year, get embarrassed for 3 out of 4 quarters against the first good team they play, and then get in a BCS bowl over said team? How the hell does that make sense?

[Soul]

Someone was going to really get screwed. Looks like it was Mizzou.

 

I'm very happy Illinois will be playing in the Rose bowl. I'm not saying they deserve it, and I'm not sure they can be competitive with a powerhouse like USC. IL is an up-and-coming team, a work in progress. Most of their good players are young, need more seasoning to hone their performances and achieve some consistency.

 

If they have a good day, they can probably stay close to anybody. My experience has been though, the Big 10 teams get out there and look a little discombobulated.

 

Message to Zook: keep your team at home for as long as possible. Do your practices in Illinois. The longer they are out there, the less focused they'll be able to be.