Rosenthal: Reds, Cordero Agree on Deal

[reds44]

Griffey and Freel for Marmol and Marshall would've been a hell of a lot smarter.

Would have been?

 

I'd still do that deal.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I would've liked Cordero, but not for this kind of money. Glad Hendry stayed away.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Griffey and Freel for Marmol and Marshall would've been a hell of a lot smarter.

 

 

I doubt Hendry would've done it.

 

 

:?

[CubFanPhilly]

Griffey and Freel for Marmol and Marshall would've been a hell of a lot smarter.

 

 

I doubt Hendry would've done it.

 

 

:?

 

Yeah, so I'm not counting on Hendry being smart.

 

 

There are plenty of factors complicating a deal: the NTC, Jr's groin injury, the fact that he's seven homers shy of 600, all the deferred money in his deal (which I'd be expecting the Reds to pick up, obviously). But it looks like Hendry's ready to shell out more money than Jr. and Freel will earn for Matsui and Fukudome. Personally, I'd prefer two short-term commitments and I think [Jr. + Freel & Wood ~$18 mil] > [Marmol + Fukudome + Matsui & Marshall ~$15-18 mil.].

[Post Count Padder]

Francisco Cordero-R-Brewers Nov. 23 - 5:12 pm et

 

The Reds and Francisco Cordero have come to terms on a four-year, $46 million contract with an option for a fifth year, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports.

 

If Rosenthal is correct, then $1 million per year is all it took to lure Cordero from a team set up to contend annually for the next several years to one that simply isn't. That the Reds spent this much on a guy who only figures to throw 70 innings per year shows precisely why they're going nowhere fast. Cordero is a fine pitcher, but he blew one more save than David Weathers did last season. He's only going to make so much of a difference.

Source: FOXSports.com

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bad contracts + bad manager = fun times for the Reds

[Guest]

What a stupid, stupid deal by the Reds.

 

Who do they think they are, the Yankees?

[Yanksfan1523]

Mariano is a BARGAIN! Good luck with that garbage contract.

[E.J.]

Once again, I seriously think that baseball is run by a bunch of idiots. This makes absolutely no sense for the Reds. The last thing the Reds need is another reliever.

[Balsa]

What a terrible contract.

 

What more proof do you need than what Marmol did for us last year?

[Exile on Waveland]

This deal is comical in its stupidity. Wow.

[reds44]

Once again, I seriously think that baseball is run by a bunch of idiots. This makes absolutely no sense for the Reds. The last thing the Reds need is another reliever.

WHAT?

 

The Reds bullpen WAS awful last season. What are you talking about??

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Once again, I seriously think that baseball is run by a bunch of idiots. This makes absolutely no sense for the Reds. The last thing the Reds need is another reliever.

 

I'm not going to completely defend the contract but their bullpen does need an ace. It's not like players are beating down the Red's door to be in Cin.

 

On msg boards I've noticed about 90% of the major signing are met with complete disdain. This is the MLB reality, folks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Once again, I seriously think that baseball is run by a bunch of idiots. This makes absolutely no sense for the Reds. The last thing the Reds need is another reliever.

 

I'm not going to completely defend the contract but their bullpen does need an ace. It's not like players are beating down the Red's door to be in Cin.

 

On msg boards I've noticed about 90% of the major signing are met with complete disdain. This is the MLB reality, folks.

 

There's some truth to that, but we're talking about CoCo Cordero here. They could very very very very very easily get his production without needing to spend any real money at all, that's the nature of relief pitching.

[badnews]

I agree with the above poster somewhat. I think we may have to adjust our attitudes on what is overpaying. Teams make money hand over fist, they may as well use it. I agree, you can usually dig up some bargain basement bum like Kevin Gregg to do Cordero's job for a fraction of the price, I remember the Mariners being deliriously happy when they signed Eddie Guardado as well.

 

But I have a feeling we can just copy/paste our responses after every signing.

 

Andruw Jones: "My God! That much money for a guy having the year he had? Unbelievable!"

 

Kyle Lohse: "Dear God! 5 years, $50 for Lohse! This is madness! Jason Marquis has trade value!"

 

Kerry Wood: "Kerry Wood just signed a 3 year, $30 million deal! Good luck when his arm falls off!"

 

Carlos Silva: "Ye Gods, Carlos Silva is now a 4/$60m pitcher? The world has gone crazy!"

 

Josh Towers: "Josh Towers just signed a deal for 2/$15m? Mother of all creatures, big and small!"

 

Aaron Rowand: "Rowand just got a 6/90m contract? Saints preserve us! That's stupid!"

 

Jose Guillen: "Guillen just got a 4/44m contract? Is there a disturbance in the Matrix?"

 

And so forth.

[CuseCubFan69]

Dusty is getting his proven closer and hopefully the horses he wants to build the team as he sees fit.

[E.J.]

Once again, I seriously think that baseball is run by a bunch of idiots. This makes absolutely no sense for the Reds. The last thing the Reds need is another reliever.

 

I'm not going to completely defend the contract but their bullpen does need an ace. It's not like players are beating down the Red's door to be in Cin.

 

On msg boards I've noticed about 90% of the major signing are met with complete disdain. This is the MLB reality, folks.

 

There's some truth to that, but we're talking about CoCo Cordero here. They could very very very very very easily get his production without needing to spend any real money at all, that's the nature of relief pitching.

 

Exactly. They might need some relief pitching, but overpaying for CoCo Cordero when they have limited funds is not the answer. It's not like Cordero is head and shoulders above Stormy Weathers.

[ArthurVandalay]

Everyone over at reds.com are wetting themselves over this signing. They think this signing is going to put them into the playoffs.

So now they have their $46 million "proven closer" but they still only have 1.5 "proven" starting pitchers.

Gotta love Reds fans....they're as fairweather and delusional as they come.

[Guest]

lol @ Cubs fans talking about bad contracts.

 

Why? Because they Cubs didn't get him?

 

If the Cubs had signed him for that deal, this board would have melted down with the people who hated the deal. Many people on this board don't like committing a decent percentage of the payroll to the bullpen to the first place. They also don't like multi-year deals for relievers. They also don't like signing guys in their 30's to long-term contracts. Finally, many think the position of closer is overrated to begin with. Cordero fits under all of the above, and while he'll likely be pretty productive he's not productive enough to be that big of a percentage of the Reds overall payroll.

What? You are talking about a team that was 29th in baseball in blown saves last year.

 

A blown save can occur pretty much anytime a starter leaves the ballgame. Most are not necessarilly even the fault of the "closer."

Ya think? The Reds issue really wasn't closer last year. Weathers was 33/38 in saves.

 

However, this allows the Reds to move Burton to the 7th, Weathers to the 8th, and Cordero to the 9th. It lines up the middle innings nicely. That's the point.

If Weathers wasn't the problem, then why pay 4/46 for a closer when you could have gotten just as good a reliever to add to the 7th inning for much, much less? You'd have the same quality personnel at a much cheaper price.

[rawaction]

Tim makes a great point. If the 9th inning was fine w/ Weathers, as the stats show they were, then why not get a 7th inning guy, who would be much cheaper without the label of closer? And why is a team who's team ERA has been in the bottom 5 in the league 5 times in the last 8 years spending 11M/year to improve 1 inning at a time? The Reds starters haven't cracked a 4.5 ERA in this century. Contrary to popular belief, the best way to improve a bullpen is NOT to get the best relievers. It's to get better starters.

[nilodnayr]

Griffey and Freel for Marmol and Marshall would've been a hell of a lot smarter.

 

 

Jr. has a NTC and are you sure JH would have done that?

 

Well last year at the trading deadline he said the only team he'd waive it for was the Cubs, so yeah, I'm pretty sure he'd waive it.

[E.J.]

Once again, I seriously think that baseball is run by a bunch of idiots. This makes absolutely no sense for the Reds. The last thing the Reds need is another reliever.

WHAT?

 

The Reds bullpen WAS awful last season. What are you talking about??

 

Sorry. I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean the Reds don't need bullpen help. I just think it's a terrible contract when the Reds could have added someone for the middle innings and just stayed with Weathers. I just think the Reds have a bunch of problems and throwing a bunch of money at a closer isn't an answer.

[reds44]

lol @ Cubs fans talking about bad contracts.

 

Why? Because they Cubs didn't get him?

 

If the Cubs had signed him for that deal, this board would have melted down with the people who hated the deal. Many people on this board don't like committing a decent percentage of the payroll to the bullpen to the first place. They also don't like multi-year deals for relievers. They also don't like signing guys in their 30's to long-term contracts. Finally, many think the position of closer is overrated to begin with. Cordero fits under all of the above, and while he'll likely be pretty productive he's not productive enough to be that big of a percentage of the Reds overall payroll.

What? You are talking about a team that was 29th in baseball in blown saves last year.

 

A blown save can occur pretty much anytime a starter leaves the ballgame. Most are not necessarilly even the fault of the "closer."

Ya think? The Reds issue really wasn't closer last year. Weathers was 33/38 in saves.

 

However, this allows the Reds to move Burton to the 7th, Weathers to the 8th, and Cordero to the 9th. It lines up the middle innings nicely. That's the point.

If Weathers wasn't the problem, then why pay 4/46 for a closer when you could have gotten just as good a reliever to add to the 7th inning for much, much less? You'd have the same quality personnel at a much cheaper price.

And who exactly is this guy you speak of?

[frostwyrm]

I'll die a happy man when the closer role becomes extinct. It's a dumb idea whose time has come and gone, kinda like communism.

[nilodnayr]

Reds would have been better off using the money to get 2 or 3 relievers.

 

 

Who?

Not even counting trade targets, plenty were available this year....

 

Dotel

Riske

Hawkins

Linebrink

Wood

Percival

Herges

Julio

Timlin

Vizcaino

Affeldt

 

Some are obviously better than others, but the Reds were not a team in need of ONE guy to lock it down at the end of games. Their problem was getting it to the closer. It will help to move Weathers to set up, but they still don't have the depth.