College Basketball 2007-2008

[Warpticon]

I don't know what to make of the Hogs. This is the most schizofrenic team I've ever seen. They have some good wins and some awful, awful losses. Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, and Providence? Really? And they beat Mississippi, Florida, MSU, and Vanderbilt? Truth of the matter is that this team should have at least four more wins right now. They need to close out strong.

[illiniguy]

Well, KU certainly didn't flame out or whatever it was last season. They got matched up against what amounts to the co-number 1 seed in the Elite 8.

 

There is a bit of luck that goes into getting into the Final Four.

There is a lot of luck. But, besides when he was at Tulsa, has Self ever beat a higher seed in the NCAA tournament? He sure didn't at UI and I don't think he has at KU either.

[snoodmonger]

Well, KU certainly didn't flame out or whatever it was last season. They got matched up against what amounts to the co-number 1 seed in the Elite 8.

 

There is a bit of luck that goes into getting into the Final Four.

There is a lot of luck. But, besides when he was at Tulsa, has Self ever beat a higher seed in the NCAA tournament? He sure didn't at UI and I don't think he has at KU either.

 

I hate the higher seed argument. When you're consistently a 1-4 seed, you either aren't playing higher seeds or are when you are, they're damn good teams. Is losing to 1, 2, or 3 seeds really that egregious? No. The fact UI fans still bitch about losing to a Arizona team that was clearly better is laughable. Meanwhile, Bruce Weber needed a miracle finish to get past a lower-seeded Arizona in his championship run, and he's hailed as some kind of sideline genius.

[illiniguy]

Well, KU certainly didn't flame out or whatever it was last season. They got matched up against what amounts to the co-number 1 seed in the Elite 8.

 

There is a bit of luck that goes into getting into the Final Four.

There is a lot of luck. But, besides when he was at Tulsa, has Self ever beat a higher seed in the NCAA tournament? He sure didn't at UI and I don't think he has at KU either.

 

I hate the higher seed argument. When you're consistently a 1-4 seed, you either aren't playing higher seeds or are when you are, they're damn good teams. Is losing to 1, 2, or 3 seeds really that egregious? No. The fact UI fans still bitch about losing to a Arizona team that was clearly better is laughable. Meanwhile, Bruce Weber needed a miracle finish to get past a lower-seeded Arizona in his championship run, and he's hailed as some kind of sideline genius.

Oh yeah, in my posts this year I have been calling him a sideline genius. I am more pissed about Self losing to a terrible Notre Dame team his last year with us. Arizona was loaded, I don't fault him for that game.

[snoodmonger]

that ND was still just one seed below you, right? Edited March 3, 2008 by snoodmonger

[illiniguy]

that ND was still just one seed below you, right?

Yeah we had 6 guys on our team get NBA time. They had 0. Maybe Self should have done a better job coaching our team all year so we could have had a higher seed I guess. But, still we were far superior to them.

[snoodmonger]

that ND was still just one seed below you, right?

Yeah we had 6 guys on our team get NBA time. They had 0. Maybe Self should have done a better job coaching our team all year so we could have had a higher seed I guess. But, still we were far superior to them.

 

 

You guys were young, they were hot from 3, IIRC. It happens.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have complaints about Self. He coached the Bucknell season terribly, IMO. And he's too adamant against the zone when I think it can sometimes (Beasley type games) make it much easier to win.

[illiniguy]

that ND was still just one seed below you, right?

Yeah we had 6 guys on our team get NBA time. They had 0. Maybe Self should have done a better job coaching our team all year so we could have had a higher seed I guess. But, still we were far superior to them.

 

 

You guys were young, they were hot from 3, IIRC. It happens.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have complaints about Self. He coached the Bucknell season terribly, IMO. And he's too adamant against the zone when I think it can sometimes (Beasley type games) make it much easier to win.

They were hot for three yes, but maybe we could have made an adjustment at halftime. That is my big beef with Self. He always stays the course and hopes his talent will win out. Usually it does, but he gets to that point in the tournament usually the elite eight, were you have to coach to get your team through. He hasn't shown me he can do that yet.

[Guest]

Soccer10k would enjoy this, probably no one else: Oregon State actually led by 5 midway through the second half before losing to Oregon 68-61 at home. I think that was their best chance to win a Pac-10 game...they have ASU and Arizona at home as they try to avoid becoming the first Pac-10 team ever to go winless in conference (USC did do it in 1975).

 

Sweet. I saw that they lost but didn't know they were actually leading in the second half.

 

I am a bit apprehensive about Oregon State's chances to go winless because the last three teams I've wanted to go winless in league/overall all blew in with two of them doing it in their second to last games.

 

-Miami Dolphins beat Baltimore.

 

-The Davis High boys basketball team was horrible and completed a winless league schedule but in the two-game conference tournament (which counts towards league standings), they won their first game to blow it.

 

-Cal State Northridge women's basketball team was 0-21 before getting a 2 point win over Cal State Bakersfield a couple weeks ago. Fortunately they still have a winless Big West Conference record to complete - something they should have no problem doing - with two games to go. But the winless BWC slate doesn't mean as much considering how long they had been winless on the year.

 

Hopefully Oregon State doesn't blow this thing because I'd be extremely disappointed.

[Guest]

Well, if OSU wins a regular season game, they'll likely cost the Pac-10 a tournament bid.

[Vanilla Ice]

West Virginia beating Pitt 40-30 at halftime. :D (my entire mom's side is from there) This would be huge for their tourney hopes.

[Guest]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

 

UNC, UCLA, Memphis and Tennessee are 1 seeds. Xavier, KU, Duke and Texas as 2 seeds. 7 from the Big East, 6 from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

[shnsajax]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

 

UNC, UCLA, Memphis and Tennessee are 1 seeds. Xavier, KU, Duke and Texas as 2 seeds. 7 from the Big East, 6 from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

 

Kind of like we had discussed last week, I am happier as a 2 seed in the South than as a 1 seed in the West.

[Vanilla Ice]

can't wait to take that one seed from UNC \:D/

[snoodmonger]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

 

UNC, UCLA, Memphis and Tennessee are 1 seeds. Xavier, KU, Duke and Texas as 2 seeds. 7 from the Big East, 6 from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

 

2 seed in the west? no thanks.

[Andy]

Although I'm not excited about Texas as the 2 in ND's bracket this week, the rest of the bracket looks pretty darn beatable. I'd rather play Memphis than any other 1 seed, Wisconsin's the 3 (more Big Ten teams in ND's way the better), and Vandy's the 5. There's no team in that bracket besides Texas that I'd even consider picking to make the Final 4 under any circumstances. Give me this draw on Selection Sunday and I'll take it.

[CuseCubFan69]

West Virginia beating Pitt 40-30 at halftime. :D (my entire mom's side is from there) This would be huge for their tourney hopes.

 

Your moms side should be very happy with this one. Are they all WV alum?

[rawaction]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

 

UNC, UCLA, Memphis and Tennessee are 1 seeds. Xavier, KU, Duke and Texas as 2 seeds. 7 from the Big East, 6 from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

 

2 seed in the west? no thanks.

 

First weekend in Omaha though. If KU doesn't get a 1 seed, that's most likely where they will be. KU in Omaha, Duke in Raleigh, Texas in Little Rock, Xavier in DC. Works out perfectly to have all the 1 and 2 seeds as close as possible to home.

[hawkeyecub]

Iowa got another commit for the '08 class, Aaron Fuller a 6'7 PF from Mesa, AZ. He had mid-major offers in the fall, was about to commit to St. Mary's but wanted to hold out for a high-major. Developed his offensive game more with a jumper, had a big senior season and earned an offer from Iowa with Michigan and Washington State coming down to check him out a few times over the last few weeks.

 

Former New Mexico (and Alford) commit Chris Babb a 6'5 SG from Texas visited last weekend and will make his decision after a Penn State visit this weekend.

 

If they land Babb he would be the 6th member of this recruiting class with a possible JUCO big man still to come. Lickliter is trying to build depth and versatility with a quantity class in '08, then trying to go quality with 3 high-level guys in '09. I like the plan, we'll see if it works.

[Derwood]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

[soapy]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

[Derwood]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

[fromthestretch]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

 

Is the tie-breaker overall record or head-to-head? If it's head-to-head, Purdue would be the #1 seed, since they beat Wisconsin twice this season.

[bukie]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

 

The 1 seed always faces the 8-9 winner (which right now would be Michigan/Iowa). 2 seed faces 7/10 winner (PSU/Illinois), 3 seed faces 6/11 winner. Tiebreaker after head-to-head is record vs. best teams in the conference. So, it would be record vs. Wisconsin, then Purdue, then IU, then MSU, and on down.

[bukie]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

 

Is the tie-breaker overall record or head-to-head? If it's head-to-head, Purdue would be the #1 seed, since they beat Wisconsin twice this season.

 

Right, Purdue is the #1 seed unless Wisconsin wins the league outright. Minnesota would win the tiebreaker then with OSU because they had the fortune to only lose to Wisconsin and Purdue once each (easiest schedule in the conference this year). That assumes they finish tied of course.