College Football - Week of 10/20

[SouthSideRyan]

If you're arguing the side of its how the voters operate, I understand Andy. Still doesn't mean that's how it should be. My case is just another in a long line of college voters(football and basketball) are idiots.

[illiniguy]

If you're arguing the side of its how the voters operate, I understand Andy. Still doesn't mean that's how it should be. My case is just another in a long line of college voters(football and basketball) are idiots.

Yeah, but at least in basketball we get to have a tournament where the voters don't have as much of an impact.

[Guest]

Anyways, word on Nebraska boards is that they're going to buy out the contracts of the AD, Callahan and his staff. That would be interesting.

 

That makes me so unbelievably happy to see. Just as a thought, Callahan is proving to not be a very good coach. It was only a matter of time before he screwed up and made everybody realize it.

[Guest]

Illinois has one decent loss (Missouri) and one awful loss (Iowa). Michigan has one decent loss made less decent by how crappy they played (Oregon) and one awful loss made more awful by the fact that the opponent plays in a lower division (App State).

 

Illinois is lower ranked because their last loss was last week and Michigan's last loss was Sept. 9th. That's why. I'd think it's pretty simple.

 

and because they are michigan. I don't care because I think ratings are ridiculous (how is Oregon now ahead of Cal?) but I do think Michigan gets bias.

 

Oregon lost by 7 at home to a very good Cal team. Cal lost at home by 3 to an average Oregon State team. Cal's loss is much worse than Oregon's is.

 

EDIT: Let me add that I do understand the other side of the argument - that Cal beat Oregon - and that I'm torn on which way I would rank them. I was just making an argument for putting Oregon ahead of Cal.

[NewUserName]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

[Keener98]

If you're arguing the side of its how the voters operate, I understand Andy. Still doesn't mean that's how it should be. My case is just another in a long line of college voters(football and basketball) are idiots.

 

Yea I thought Andy was trying to justify it, I didnt realize he was trying to argue on how the voters operate. Hell I know how the voters operate

 

But anybody who doesnt think the name on the front of your jersey plays a big part in voting in the polls is foolish. The Michigans, Miamis, Notre Dames, FSU, etc... will get votes just because of who they are, their resume really doesnt mean much when it comes to voters.

[Keener98]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

[Derwood]

Illinois has one decent loss (Missouri) and one awful loss (Iowa). Michigan has one decent loss made less decent by how crappy they played (Oregon) and one awful loss made more awful by the fact that the opponent plays in a lower division (App State).

 

Illinois is lower ranked because their last loss was last week and Michigan's last loss was Sept. 9th. That's why. I'd think it's pretty simple.

 

and because they are michigan. I don't care because I think ratings are ridiculous (how is Oregon now ahead of Cal?) but I do think Michigan gets bias.

 

Oregon lost by 7 at home to a very good Cal team. Cal lost at home by 3 to an average Oregon State team. Cal's loss is much worse than Oregon's is.

 

EDIT: Let me add that I do understand the other side of the argument - that Cal beat Oregon - and that I'm torn on which way I would rank them. I was just making an argument for putting Oregon ahead of Cal.

 

right, one could say "Oregon lost to a Cal team that lost to a mediocre Oregon State team", which hurts Oregon

[fiver]

Also, our KSU win was pretty big, IMO. They should've beaten Auburn on the road, and they smoked Texas and CU. I think they're better than I thought.

 

Kansas State is no pushover, but they don't have more talent or depth than Auburn nor should they have "beaten Auburn on the road". Kansas State played Auburn when Brandox Cox was more likely to throw a ball into his opponents' arms rather than his receivers'. Also, that was the first college game for 60% of Auburn's starting offensive line. Auburn still won by 10 points.

 

As an aside, South Florida isn't as strong as some think either. If they run the table with the remainder of their Big East schedule, I guarantee you they will lose their bowl game. Auburn turned the ball over 5 times against South Florida and lost in overtime. Auburn is not a contender this year, but they fielded a more talented team than South Florida.

[NewUserName]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

[SouthSideRyan]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

 

Look, we all understand why the pollsters do the things they do, doesn't make it right. Arguing that since Illinois lost to a team that isn't very good(on the road) justifies them being below a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. and got murdered by Oregon(both at home) is madness.

[NewUserName]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

 

Look, we all understand why the pollsters do the things they do, doesn't make it right. Arguing that since Illinois lost to a team that isn't very good(on the road) justifies them being below a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. and got murdered by Oregon(both at home) is madness.

 

 

But it was last week. Games played last week have more impact on the polls than games played 7 weeks ago. I dont argue that Illinois has a better body of work. Its not how the polls work. Also teams like Michigan are always going to get a few added points.

 

What you may want to ask is why is Michigan ranked higher in the computer polls? These polls dont put higher merit into recent games.

[Andy]

I've been thinking about it, and I've decided that 22 is the amount of points you would have to give me before I would consider wagering on Notre Dame aganst USC, and even then only because the Trojans have played such weak football their last three games.

[Keener98]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

 

Look, we all understand why the pollsters do the things they do, doesn't make it right. Arguing that since Illinois lost to a team that isn't very good(on the road) justifies them being below a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. and got murdered by Oregon(both at home) is madness.

 

Hey SSR, did you notice that Penn State is ahead of the Illini? I think thats an even bigger joke than Michigan.

[Keener98]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

 

Look, we all understand why the pollsters do the things they do, doesn't make it right. Arguing that since Illinois lost to a team that isn't very good(on the road) justifies them being below a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. and got murdered by Oregon(both at home) is madness.

 

 

But it was last week. Games played last week have more impact on the polls than games played 7 weeks ago. I dont argue that Illinois has a better body of work. Its not how the polls work. Also teams like Michigan are always going to get a few added points.

 

What you may want to ask is why is Michigan ranked higher in the computer polls? These polls dont put higher merit into recent games.

 

Thats been my point this entire thread.

[SouthSideRyan]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

 

Look, we all understand why the pollsters do the things they do, doesn't make it right. Arguing that since Illinois lost to a team that isn't very good(on the road) justifies them being below a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. and got murdered by Oregon(both at home) is madness.

 

Hey SSR, did you notice that Penn State is ahead of the Illini? I think thats an even bigger joke than Michigan.

 

Wisconsin in the coaches poll was really what dumbfounded me above all else. They've beaten nobody, and have lost their last 2, with them being embarrassed Saturday by a mediocre PSU team(that yes, we should be ahead of.)

[NewUserName]

Note to Illinois fans. It doesnt matter whose ranked 25th or 27th. At this point neither one is going to be able to get back into the NT picture. The Big Ten season will play itself out. It you were talking 3rd or 4th than it may be worth the arguement.

 

I understand in the grand scheme of things being ranked 25th or 27th doesnt mean much, but I also believe being ranked helps recruiting. Kids see the top 25 and often times dont see 26 on down, and I think it does weigh in on recruiting. Maybe not much(hell look at U of I's recruiting lately) but often times the little things can come in to play.

 

What would really help their recruiting is if they beat Michigan. Also like Andy has said the polls are very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Illinois lost their last game to a team that isnt very good.

 

Look, we all understand why the pollsters do the things they do, doesn't make it right. Arguing that since Illinois lost to a team that isn't very good(on the road) justifies them being below a Michigan team that lost to Appalachian St. and got murdered by Oregon(both at home) is madness.

 

 

But it was last week. Games played last week have more impact on the polls than games played 7 weeks ago. I dont argue that Illinois has a better body of work. Its not how the polls work. Also teams like Michigan are always going to get a few added points.

 

What you may want to ask is why is Michigan ranked higher in the computer polls? These polls dont put higher merit into recent games.

 

Thats been my point this entire thread.

 

 

Sorry but thats just the facts of life. If Illinois can keep up this higher level of play for 5 more years they will start getting these kind of votes also.

[inari]

Iowa at Purdue is going to be ugly as hell.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Iowa at Purdue is going to be ugly as hell.

 

ONLY FOR THE BOILERS!

 

yeah, it's going to suck tremendously

[cubweiser03]

I only look at the top 5 rankings seriously, after that it doesnt really matter but for window dressing. Im still having a hard time figuring the top 5 let alone the top 25 this early. The next 2-3 weeks should really tell the story of whose good/marginal etc. But yes, Illini should be ahead of UM as insignificant as that is at this time.

[CuseCubFan69]

Also, our KSU win was pretty big, IMO. They should've beaten Auburn on the road, and they smoked Texas and CU. I think they're better than I thought.

 

Kansas State is no pushover, but they don't have more talent or depth than Auburn nor should they have "beaten Auburn on the road". Kansas State played Auburn when Brandox Cox was more likely to throw a ball into his opponents' arms rather than his receivers'. Also, that was the first college game for 60% of Auburn's starting offensive line. Auburn still won by 10 points.

 

As an aside, South Florida isn't as strong as some think either. If they run the table with the remainder of their Big East schedule, I guarantee you they will lose their bowl game. Auburn turned the ball over 5 times against South Florida and lost in overtime. Auburn is not a contender this year, but they fielded a more talented team than South Florida.

 

As did WV and White got hurt when they lost at SFlor, or does that rule just apply to Auburn? Many good teams are going to win and lose due to turnovers and this season is proving you have to bring it every game no matter who you are.

[NewUserName]

I was thinking about this. For those who want the BCS to fail, wouldnt it be best of USF, OSU, BC and KU all finish undefeated. There would be a large arguement over which 2 teams should be in the NT game. While noone would believe any of the 4 were the best team. That to me would be a major blow to the BCS.

[Derwood]

I was thinking about this. For those who want the BCS to fail, wouldnt it be best of USF, OSU, BC and KU all finish undefeated. There would be a large arguement over which 2 teams should be in the NT game. While noone would believe any of the 4 were the best team. That to me would be a major blow to the BCS.

 

that, or have no one without a loss and add even more teams to the mix

[CuseCubFan69]

I was thinking about this. For those who want the BCS to fail, wouldnt it be best of USF, OSU, BC and KU all finish undefeated. There would be a large arguement over which 2 teams should be in the NT game. While noone would believe any of the 4 were the best team. That to me would be a major blow to the BCS.

 

If LSU runs the table I think they will leapfrog Either an undefeated SFlor and/or BC (obviously if they are both 11-0/12-0 respectively) to the #2 spot that is if OSU also wins all their games.

[fiver]

Also, our KSU win was pretty big, IMO. They should've beaten Auburn on the road, and they smoked Texas and CU. I think they're better than I thought.

 

Kansas State is no pushover, but they don't have more talent or depth than Auburn nor should they have "beaten Auburn on the road". Kansas State played Auburn when Brandox Cox was more likely to throw a ball into his opponents' arms rather than his receivers'. Also, that was the first college game for 60% of Auburn's starting offensive line. Auburn still won by 10 points.

 

As an aside, South Florida isn't as strong as some think either. If they run the table with the remainder of their Big East schedule, I guarantee you they will lose their bowl game. Auburn turned the ball over 5 times against South Florida and lost in overtime. Auburn is not a contender this year, but they fielded a more talented team than South Florida.

 

As did WV and White got hurt when they lost at SFlor, or does that rule just apply to Auburn? Many good teams are going to win and lose due to turnovers and this season is proving you have to bring it every game no matter who you are.

 

South Florida absolutely deserved both victories over Auburn and West Virginia. Obviously, all teams must deal with injuries, turnovers, etc., and South Florida has done an excellent job in creating turnovers and capitalizing upon injuries this year. The point of that portion of my post is that I do believe South Florida is likely to be exposed as a team with inferior talent/depth if they happen to play an Oklahoma or LSU in the national title game.