College Football - Week of 9/15

[CubColtPacer]

Well, it doesn't look like Air Force will be an easy game for ND either. They moved to 3-0 tonight with a win over TCU after a win over Utah last week.

 

Their next 2 weeks are at BYU and at Navy-if they win those 2, I really will be concerned about that game.

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

 

That is true-I forgot their schedule will be easier than usual next year due to that game they had to give to SD State. He'll probably have to win 2-3 of the other 7 and not get embarrassed in no more than 2 games.

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

 

That is true-I forgot their schedule will be easier than usual next year due to that game they had to give to SD State. He'll probably have to win 2-3 of the other 7 and not get embarrassed in no more than 2 games.

 

Agree. The rest of the schedule includes: Michigan, at Michigan State, Purdue, at Washington (think that will be hyped?), Pitt, at BC and at USC. Honestly, they have a chance to have a good record without being terribly good. I don't mean to say that's a weak schedule; it's not at all. But, outside of USC and maybe Michigan, none of those teams are monsters.

 

Edit: Way premature two games into this season, but I'd say that looks like 8-4 or so.

[dew1679666265]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

 

I had forgotten about the beyond weak teams coming onto ND's schedule next year - though now that Butch Davis is coaching the Tarheels, I don't expect them to be pushovers after this year.

 

7-8 wins is definitely possible and reachable for ND next year, but because of the circumstances (extreme youth, etc) and two seasons of success, I think firing him after a dissapointing second season is overboard.

 

I think a fifth year, with the littlest Clausen as a junior, should be a given for Weis then decide on his future.

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

 

I had forgotten about the beyond weak teams coming onto ND's schedule next year - though now that Butch Davis is coaching the Tarheels, I don't expect them to be pushovers after this year.

 

7-8 wins is definitely possible and reachable for ND next year, but because of the circumstances (extreme youth, etc) and two seasons of success, I think firing him after a dissapointing second season is overboard.

 

I think a fifth year, with the littlest Clausen as a junior, should be a given for Weis then decide on his future.

 

I agree Butch Davis will turn the Tar Heels around. But they've got next to nothing this year, I don't think next year is soon enough for a big turnaround. Notre Dame will be well into Weiss's strong recruiting classes.

 

I also agree that Weiss should be given two more years. Of course, I think they'll rebound nicely next year and render that moot. Weiss is going to do very well at Notre Dame, I suspect.

[Andy]

He NEVER PLAYED Samardzija. Never. He had 17 catches in 2 years or something and half of them were in the Insight Bowl which he didn't coach. And it's rich that you point out that Willingham's bad years were with Davie's players as juniors and seniors without pointing out that ND's current juniors and seniors - recruited by Willingham - are almost without rival the worst two recruiting classes in the history of Notre Dame football.

 

Did Ty rely more on timing routes and more complex assignments for his receivers or did the receivers just run to a spot in his offense?

There was nothing complex about Notre Dame's offense, that was why it was so easily stopped by so many people. Also, it's not like Ty never played young guys - Stovall and McKnight were freshmen and sophomores (and in Rhema's case a junior too) under Ty, and they always got plenty of time. Samardzija, basically a white, slightly slower version of Stovall, never did. I'm not sure why but I know it wasn't smart.

 

And Truffle - Ty probably is a decent coach. As much as I loathe the guy for what he did in recruiting for two years and continuing to allow the perception that his firing may have been racially motivated, he's not that bad. He just wasn't a fit for a place that demands as much from their coaches as ND does. He probably did get a raw deal (at the time, I didn't like the firing), though in hindsight it's pretty easy to see that ND is better for having dumped him.

[dew1679666265]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

 

I had forgotten about the beyond weak teams coming onto ND's schedule next year - though now that Butch Davis is coaching the Tarheels, I don't expect them to be pushovers after this year.

 

7-8 wins is definitely possible and reachable for ND next year, but because of the circumstances (extreme youth, etc) and two seasons of success, I think firing him after a dissapointing second season is overboard.

 

I think a fifth year, with the littlest Clausen as a junior, should be a given for Weis then decide on his future.

 

I agree Butch Davis will turn the Tar Heels around. But they've got next to nothing this year, I don't think next year is soon enough for a big turnaround. Notre Dame will be well into Weiss's strong recruiting classes.

 

I also agree that Weiss should be given two more years. Of course, I think they'll rebound nicely next year and render that moot. Weiss is going to do very well at Notre Dame, I suspect.

 

I don't think there will be a huge turnaround record-wise for North Carolina next year, but Davis already has had one talent heavy recruiting class and will almost certainly have a better one next year. The talent will be very young and, much like ND this year, lose a lot, but I think they'll actually give teams a fight before losing and even pull a few upsets (like I think ND could do this year if they played very many of their tough games late in the season).

 

I think Weiss has a very good chance of turning the Irish around. My only problem with the coaching situation is why Ty deserved to be fired after just three years, but Weiss with a similar record (but granted much better recruiting classes) deserves a 10-year extension. Just like Weiss deserves two more years (at least), Ty deserved a little more time.

[CuseCubFan69]

My gosh, Noel Devine is sick.

 

Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine and Darius Reynaud, that's just not fair.

 

im impressed.

 

Not taking anything away from Devine (he's an incredible athlete), but it helps that Maryland really isn't anything special.

 

It'll look a lot better when he starts tearing up good football teams. It's just too bad for the Mountaineers the White, Slaton, Devine, Reynaud foursome won't be together longer than this year (or possibly next).

 

Maryland was 2-0 and went 9-3 last year and beat Purdue 24-7 in a bowl game. Special, maybe not but they are a very good team and the game was in Maryland.

[Guest]

My gosh, Noel Devine is sick.

 

Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine and Darius Reynaud, that's just not fair.

 

im impressed.

 

Not taking anything away from Devine (he's an incredible athlete), but it helps that Maryland really isn't anything special.

 

It'll look a lot better when he starts tearing up good football teams. It's just too bad for the Mountaineers the White, Slaton, Devine, Reynaud foursome won't be together longer than this year (or possibly next).

 

Maryland was 2-0 and went 9-3 last year and beat Purdue 24-7 in a bowl game. Special, maybe not but they are a very good team and the game was in Maryland.

 

The specific plays and moves I came away impressed with could have been pulled on USC or LSU's defense to make them look silly.

[Exile on Waveland]

I don't think there's much doubt about it. If the boosters want something done, they won't worry about the money, and believe me in that they won't tolerate losing for very long. Weis needs to win at least 7-8 games next year in order to keep his job.

 

A minimum 7-8 games or you're gone with a sophomore at QB, a still somewhat (at best) iffy offensive line and another sophomore at tailback.

 

There are high expectations and then there are unreasonable demands.

 

In 2008 Notre Dame has near-gimme's against SD State, Stanford, North Carolina, Navy and Syracuse. If they can't win 2-3 games out of the remaining seven, then Weiss has failed -- I don't see how 7-8 wins is unreasonable at all next year. It should be expected.

 

PS Again, I want to stress I dislike ND.

 

I had forgotten about the beyond weak teams coming onto ND's schedule next year - though now that Butch Davis is coaching the Tarheels, I don't expect them to be pushovers after this year.

 

7-8 wins is definitely possible and reachable for ND next year, but because of the circumstances (extreme youth, etc) and two seasons of success, I think firing him after a dissapointing second season is overboard.

 

I think a fifth year, with the littlest Clausen as a junior, should be a given for Weis then decide on his future.

 

I agree Butch Davis will turn the Tar Heels around. But they've got next to nothing this year, I don't think next year is soon enough for a big turnaround. Notre Dame will be well into Weiss's strong recruiting classes.

 

I also agree that Weiss should be given two more years. Of course, I think they'll rebound nicely next year and render that moot. Weiss is going to do very well at Notre Dame, I suspect.

 

I don't think there will be a huge turnaround record-wise for North Carolina next year, but Davis already has had one talent heavy recruiting class and will almost certainly have a better one next year. The talent will be very young and, much like ND this year, lose a lot, but I think they'll actually give teams a fight before losing and even pull a few upsets (like I think ND could do this year if they played very many of their tough games late in the season).

 

I think Weiss has a very good chance of turning the Irish around. My only problem with the coaching situation is why Ty deserved to be fired after just three years, but Weiss with a similar record (but granted much better recruiting classes) deserves a 10-year extension. Just like Weiss deserves two more years (at least), Ty deserved a little more time.

 

I don't think Willingham was treated fairly, however, they did upgrade in coaching. I think there's enough difference between the jobs done that you can logically square keeping Weiss longer than Willingham. That said, I don't think there was enough difference to keep him longer and give him a monetarily huge 10-year extension. (ND will say it was to keep the NFL away, but ND was his dream job.)

[dew1679666265]

My gosh, Noel Devine is sick.

 

Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine and Darius Reynaud, that's just not fair.

 

im impressed.

 

Not taking anything away from Devine (he's an incredible athlete), but it helps that Maryland really isn't anything special.

 

It'll look a lot better when he starts tearing up good football teams. It's just too bad for the Mountaineers the White, Slaton, Devine, Reynaud foursome won't be together longer than this year (or possibly next).

 

Maryland was 2-0 and went 9-3 last year and beat Purdue 24-7 in a bowl game. Special, maybe not but they are a very good team and the game was in Maryland.

 

You of all people should look at schedules before saying that Cuse. Maryland was 9-4 last season and their best wins were over Virginia (decent), NC State (again decent) and Clemson (during their collapse).

 

They lost to quality opponents such as West Virginia, Ga Tech, BC and Wake. They're 2-0 start this year? Over Villanova and Florida International. They're a decent team, no more.

[dew1679666265]

My gosh, Noel Devine is sick.

 

Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine and Darius Reynaud, that's just not fair.

 

im impressed.

 

Not taking anything away from Devine (he's an incredible athlete), but it helps that Maryland really isn't anything special.

 

It'll look a lot better when he starts tearing up good football teams. It's just too bad for the Mountaineers the White, Slaton, Devine, Reynaud foursome won't be together longer than this year (or possibly next).

 

Maryland was 2-0 and went 9-3 last year and beat Purdue 24-7 in a bowl game. Special, maybe not but they are a very good team and the game was in Maryland.

 

The specific plays and moves I came away impressed with could have been pulled on USC or LSU's defense to make them look silly.

 

Like I said in my post, I'm not taking anything away from the athleticism of any of those players. They're terrific and were very impressive last night.

 

The point I was making, though, was that they'll get more credit for it when (not if) they do it against the LSU's and USC's of the world.

[CuseCubFan69]

My gosh, Noel Devine is sick.

 

Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine and Darius Reynaud, that's just not fair.

 

im impressed.

 

Not taking anything away from Devine (he's an incredible athlete), but it helps that Maryland really isn't anything special.

 

It'll look a lot better when he starts tearing up good football teams. It's just too bad for the Mountaineers the White, Slaton, Devine, Reynaud foursome won't be together longer than this year (or possibly next).

 

Maryland was 2-0 and went 9-3 last year and beat Purdue 24-7 in a bowl game. Special, maybe not but they are a very good team and the game was in Maryland.

 

The specific plays and moves I came away impressed with could have been pulled on USC or LSU's defense to make them look silly.

 

Like I said in my post, I'm not taking anything away from the athleticism of any of those players. They're terrific and were very impressive last night.

 

The point I was making, though, was that they'll get more credit for it when (not if) they do it against the LSU's and USC's of the world.

 

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

[dew1679666265]

My gosh, Noel Devine is sick.

 

Pat White, Steve Slaton, Noel Devine and Darius Reynaud, that's just not fair.

 

im impressed.

 

Not taking anything away from Devine (he's an incredible athlete), but it helps that Maryland really isn't anything special.

 

It'll look a lot better when he starts tearing up good football teams. It's just too bad for the Mountaineers the White, Slaton, Devine, Reynaud foursome won't be together longer than this year (or possibly next).

 

Maryland was 2-0 and went 9-3 last year and beat Purdue 24-7 in a bowl game. Special, maybe not but they are a very good team and the game was in Maryland.

 

The specific plays and moves I came away impressed with could have been pulled on USC or LSU's defense to make them look silly.

 

Like I said in my post, I'm not taking anything away from the athleticism of any of those players. They're terrific and were very impressive last night.

 

The point I was making, though, was that they'll get more credit for it when (not if) they do it against the LSU's and USC's of the world.

 

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

[CuseCubFan69]

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

 

No Devine wasn't but that's all I've heard every time a BE team beats someone. They're having a down year or so and so was hurt or their the 7th best team in the league. And again, dismissing Maryland who was 9-3 and 2-0 this year goes with the turf. Are they Florida, no, but they sure are not Mississippi St either.

 

And my point was that as freshman, White and Slaton ran by the best of the SEC and have continued to do so against whoever they have played.

[fiver]

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[dew1679666265]

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

 

No Devine wasn't but that's all I've heard every time a BE team beats someone. They're having a down year or so and so was hurt or their the 7th best team in the league. And again, dismissing Maryland who was 9-3 and 2-0 this year goes with the turf. Are they Florida, no, but they sure are not Mississippi St either.

 

And my point was that as freshman, White and Slaton ran by the best of the SEC and have continued to do so against whoever they have played.

 

First off, Maryland was not 9-3 last year. They were 9-4 with losses to WVU, Ga Tech, BC and Wake Forest.

 

Second, going 2-0 this year is not impressive in the least. They beat Villanova by 17 - a 1-AA team that finished 6-5 last year. They also beat Florida International who is possibly the worst 1-A team. That's not the least bit impressive.

 

West Virginia is a legitimate National Championship contender. They are a great football team. I don't argue that point at all. But, you're not going to make the point by holding up a win over a very mediocre Maryland team.

 

Better wins will come this season for WVU, don't try to make this look like anything more than it is - an easy win they should have had.

[CuseCubFan69]

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

 

No Devine wasn't but that's all I've heard every time a BE team beats someone. They're having a down year or so and so was hurt or their the 7th best team in the league. And again, dismissing Maryland who was 9-3 and 2-0 this year goes with the turf. Are they Florida, no, but they sure are not Mississippi St either.

 

And my point was that as freshman, White and Slaton ran by the best of the SEC and have continued to do so against whoever they have played.

 

First off, Maryland was not 9-3 last year. They were 9-4 with losses to WVU, Ga Tech, BC and Wake Forest.

 

Second, going 2-0 this year is not impressive in the least. They beat Villanova by 17 - a 1-AA team that finished 6-5 last year. They also beat Florida International who is possibly the worst 1-A team. That's not the least bit impressive.

 

West Virginia is a legitimate National Championship contender. They are a great football team. I don't argue that point at all. But, you're not going to make the point by holding up a win over a very mediocre Maryland team.

 

Better wins will come this season for WVU, don't try to make this look like anything more than it is - an easy win they should have had.

 

I suppose what you think is easy and what I do are two different things. I agree that WV has to play better defense to have a chance to win this thing and it was a win they were favored to have but to dismiss it as easy, well I suppose semantics are involved. I'm curious on what you think a tough win would be? I'm not talking elite tough but a tough win against what you would consider a good team.

[dew1679666265]

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

 

No Devine wasn't but that's all I've heard every time a BE team beats someone. They're having a down year or so and so was hurt or their the 7th best team in the league. And again, dismissing Maryland who was 9-3 and 2-0 this year goes with the turf. Are they Florida, no, but they sure are not Mississippi St either.

 

And my point was that as freshman, White and Slaton ran by the best of the SEC and have continued to do so against whoever they have played.

 

First off, Maryland was not 9-3 last year. They were 9-4 with losses to WVU, Ga Tech, BC and Wake Forest.

 

Second, going 2-0 this year is not impressive in the least. They beat Villanova by 17 - a 1-AA team that finished 6-5 last year. They also beat Florida International who is possibly the worst 1-A team. That's not the least bit impressive.

 

West Virginia is a legitimate National Championship contender. They are a great football team. I don't argue that point at all. But, you're not going to make the point by holding up a win over a very mediocre Maryland team.

 

Better wins will come this season for WVU, don't try to make this look like anything more than it is - an easy win they should have had.

 

I suppose what you think is easy and what I do are two different things. I agree that WV has to play better defense to have a chance to win this thing and it was a win they were favored to have but to dismiss it as easy, well I suppose semantics are involved. I'm curious on what you think a tough win would be? I'm not talking elite tough but a tough win against what you would consider a good team.

 

Easy was probably the wrong word, but it was a game West Virginia should have won and should have won big. They did, and it's to their credit. It's not a huge win for the program, nor were they playing a "very good" football team.

 

As for what a tough win would be, I would probably classify South Florida as a tough win. West Virginia should win the game, but I'll be surprised if they do it by more than a couple of scores. The Bulls aren't an elite team yet, but are very solid and will give anybody a good fight.

 

Now a question for you. Why do you use Maryland's wins over Villanova and Florida International as reasons to refer to them as a "very good" team, and then chasitse other teams for playing mediocre 1-A teams - even though those mediocre teams are leaps and bounds better than Nova and FIU?

[CuseCubFan69]

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

 

No Devine wasn't but that's all I've heard every time a BE team beats someone. They're having a down year or so and so was hurt or their the 7th best team in the league. And again, dismissing Maryland who was 9-3 and 2-0 this year goes with the turf. Are they Florida, no, but they sure are not Mississippi St either.

 

And my point was that as freshman, White and Slaton ran by the best of the SEC and have continued to do so against whoever they have played.

 

First off, Maryland was not 9-3 last year. They were 9-4 with losses to WVU, Ga Tech, BC and Wake Forest.

 

Second, going 2-0 this year is not impressive in the least. They beat Villanova by 17 - a 1-AA team that finished 6-5 last year. They also beat Florida International who is possibly the worst 1-A team. That's not the least bit impressive.

 

West Virginia is a legitimate National Championship contender. They are a great football team. I don't argue that point at all. But, you're not going to make the point by holding up a win over a very mediocre Maryland team.

 

Better wins will come this season for WVU, don't try to make this look like anything more than it is - an easy win they should have had.

 

I suppose what you think is easy and what I do are two different things. I agree that WV has to play better defense to have a chance to win this thing and it was a win they were favored to have but to dismiss it as easy, well I suppose semantics are involved. I'm curious on what you think a tough win would be? I'm not talking elite tough but a tough win against what you would consider a good team.

 

Easy was probably the wrong word, but it was a game West Virginia should have won and should have won big. They did, and it's to their credit. It's not a huge win for the program, nor were they playing a "very good" football team.

 

As for what a tough win would be, I would probably classify South Florida as a tough win. West Virginia should win the game, but I'll be surprised if they do it by more than a couple of scores. The Bulls aren't an elite team yet, but are very solid and will give anybody a good fight.

 

Now a question for you. Why do you use Maryland's wins over Villanova and Florida International as reasons to refer to them as a "very good" team, and then chasitse other teams for playing mediocre 1-A teams - even though those mediocre teams are leaps and bounds better than Nova and FIU?

 

I agree those wins by Maryland were of poor quality but I also looked at what they had coming back from their very good 9-4 and it pushed them into that territory. How many teams won 9 or more games last year? I think that pushes them over average.

[dew1679666265]

How about when those guys as freshmen put 38 on the SEC champ Georgia, or doesn't that count because the Bulldogs had a down year winning the SEC Championship?

 

You're taking offense at a relatively innocent statement Cuse. I'm not saying they're unproven or unimpressive. Juking out Maryland just isn't that terribly difficult a thing to do.

 

They're extremely athletic players, no doubt about it, I was just commenting that this wasn't a showcase game by any means. And Devine wasn't a part of the Georgia beatdown.

 

No Devine wasn't but that's all I've heard every time a BE team beats someone. They're having a down year or so and so was hurt or their the 7th best team in the league. And again, dismissing Maryland who was 9-3 and 2-0 this year goes with the turf. Are they Florida, no, but they sure are not Mississippi St either.

 

And my point was that as freshman, White and Slaton ran by the best of the SEC and have continued to do so against whoever they have played.

 

First off, Maryland was not 9-3 last year. They were 9-4 with losses to WVU, Ga Tech, BC and Wake Forest.

 

Second, going 2-0 this year is not impressive in the least. They beat Villanova by 17 - a 1-AA team that finished 6-5 last year. They also beat Florida International who is possibly the worst 1-A team. That's not the least bit impressive.

 

West Virginia is a legitimate National Championship contender. They are a great football team. I don't argue that point at all. But, you're not going to make the point by holding up a win over a very mediocre Maryland team.

 

Better wins will come this season for WVU, don't try to make this look like anything more than it is - an easy win they should have had.

 

I suppose what you think is easy and what I do are two different things. I agree that WV has to play better defense to have a chance to win this thing and it was a win they were favored to have but to dismiss it as easy, well I suppose semantics are involved. I'm curious on what you think a tough win would be? I'm not talking elite tough but a tough win against what you would consider a good team.

 

Easy was probably the wrong word, but it was a game West Virginia should have won and should have won big. They did, and it's to their credit. It's not a huge win for the program, nor were they playing a "very good" football team.

 

As for what a tough win would be, I would probably classify South Florida as a tough win. West Virginia should win the game, but I'll be surprised if they do it by more than a couple of scores. The Bulls aren't an elite team yet, but are very solid and will give anybody a good fight.

 

Now a question for you. Why do you use Maryland's wins over Villanova and Florida International as reasons to refer to them as a "very good" team, and then chasitse other teams for playing mediocre 1-A teams - even though those mediocre teams are leaps and bounds better than Nova and FIU?

 

I agree those wins by Maryland were of poor quality but I also looked at what they had coming back from their very good 9-4 and it pushed them into that territory. How many teams won 9 or more games last year? I think that pushes them over average.

 

The problem with Maryland is that the only good quality win they had was over Clemson when the Tigers were going through their late season collapse. The next best wins they had were over Miami and Florida State - normally very good wins, but because of their declines the wins were about as meaningful as beating Michigan or Notre Dame this year.

 

I could see the argument that Maryland is above average, but "very good" is a stretch to say the least.

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As for what a tough win would be, I would probably classify South Florida as a tough win. West Virginia should win the game, but I'll be surprised if they do it by more than a couple of scores. The Bulls aren't an elite team yet, but are very solid and will give anybody a good fight.

 

Now a question for you. Why do you use Maryland's wins over Villanova and Florida International as reasons to refer to them as a "very good" team, and then chasitse other teams for playing mediocre 1-A teams - even though those mediocre teams are leaps and bounds better than Nova and FIU?

 

I agree those wins by Maryland were of poor quality but I also looked at what they had coming back from their very good 9-4 and it pushed them into that territory. How many teams won 9 or more games last year? I think that pushes them over average.

 

The problem with Maryland is that the only good quality win they had was over Clemson when the Tigers were going through their late season collapse. The next best wins they had were over Miami and Florida State - normally very good wins, but because of their declines the wins were about as meaningful as beating Michigan or Notre Dame this year.

 

I could see the argument that Maryland is above average, but "very good" is a stretch to say the least.

 

Honestly, we're debating between what's above average and very good? :D

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It'd be fantastic if the NCAA gets off its ass and clears Brian Price. Especially since half the starting DL is injured and out for Utah (and one of them - Brigham Harwell - is out for a month at least).

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As for what a tough win would be, I would probably classify South Florida as a tough win. West Virginia should win the game, but I'll be surprised if they do it by more than a couple of scores. The Bulls aren't an elite team yet, but are very solid and will give anybody a good fight.

 

Now a question for you. Why do you use Maryland's wins over Villanova and Florida International as reasons to refer to them as a "very good" team, and then chasitse other teams for playing mediocre 1-A teams - even though those mediocre teams are leaps and bounds better than Nova and FIU?

 

I agree those wins by Maryland were of poor quality but I also looked at what they had coming back from their very good 9-4 and it pushed them into that territory. How many teams won 9 or more games last year? I think that pushes them over average.

 

The problem with Maryland is that the only good quality win they had was over Clemson when the Tigers were going through their late season collapse. The next best wins they had were over Miami and Florida State - normally very good wins, but because of their declines the wins were about as meaningful as beating Michigan or Notre Dame this year.

 

I could see the argument that Maryland is above average, but "very good" is a stretch to say the least.

 

Honestly, we're debating between what's above average and very good? :D

 

Gotta have something to do, don't we? :D