College Football - Week of 9/8

[Warpticon]

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo.

 

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami.

 

I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment.

 

If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it.

 

It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating.

 

Fair enough, but the U's first game was against the Marshall Herd. Also, if I were you I wouldn't use LSU's game against MTSU as a measuring stick of how good LSU's D is. That should be an absolute bloodbath.

 

True, but it will still probably be the best offense they will have played.

[CuseCubFan69]

Good point, no other team was upset last year that played in a bowl game.

 

I don't get it.

 

I forgot a word

 

 

Rutgers, BC, Wake, Navy. If you watched the BC/WF it was close until late and using your own logic doesn't that make it a tough game?

 

admit my guilt in not knowing about this game, but my point stands. it's bad enough doing seven degrees from Kevin Bacon, but to reach into last year to do so is just lame.

 

Ah, the BC/WF game played last week not last year.

 

Tenn is usually tough and plays a good schedule. Overrated, maybe but I give them credit for playing a tough team

 

doesn't change your unequal treatment of Georgia and Tennessee. you complain about the pollsters, but have no problem that Tennessee continuously is kept in the top 25 and goes to good bowl games despite 4 loss seasons. it's just not consistent.

 

Tenn isn't dominating but they lose games because of a tough schedule and not scheduling 4 weak teams out of conference.

 

It's a big rivalry game and emotion helped Marshall in the first half and talent took over in the second half

 

I think Michigan lost both their games because emotion helped App St and Oregon. why wasn't WVU just as emotional? or is it that Marshall's emotion helped them play good and WV's emotion made them play bad? whatever. are you ready to excuse OSU for playing flat against Akron under the same logic? it's a lame excuse.

 

Yes, Akron is well known for their football program like Marshall is. Also, they only lost to Ohio St in OSU by 18 while WV won by 25 at Marshall.

 

 

I already explained this and conceded the point but hey, at least your consistent.

 

well you really didn't. all you did was complain that Florida is so benefitted by the pollsters, losing track of the fact that Louisville and their basketball offense/bad defense has been media darlings for two and a half seasons now.

 

now if both of us could be consistent, maybe we wouldn't have to keep arguing this garbage.

 

Louisville is such a darling that they were ranked 5th last year after losing only 1 game, yes, quite the media daring obviously. Please tell me how the media punished Florida with that horrible #2 ranking at the end of the regular season last year?

[jjgman21]

outside of OU and LSU, most of the top 25 was less than inspiring this week. Auburn, Georgia, and Boise St. go down, many had scares of one sort or another (UW, Louisville, Cal, Hawaii, Nebraska, A&M), even those who won by healthy margins played a half of lousy football (WVU, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, UCLA).

 

craptacular week there.

 

how's about not sucking so bad against the bloody Citadel next week Badgers.

 

I'm bumping this to respond to Cuse.

 

this is football. more importantly, this is college football. more importantly still this is, for the most part, non-conference college football against mostly patsies, or a t a minimum teams that are generally outclassed.

 

I don't overemphasize either half. what I look for in these situations is dominance from opening kickoff until either the end of the game or garbage time. few teams of note were able to do that yesterday. some had better competition than others, some had lack of "emotion" working against them, some took teams too lightly. I don't care what the excuse, in these situations, all the top teams should be dominating in that way.

 

I don't look for what Navy did last year, I don't look for the pride of Marshall, I don't look for a half of good football making up for a half of bad football and calling it a plus game. I may make mistakes about who might be good but unrecognized, like perhaps Wake, but I'm pretty good about recognizing who is overrated (ie. if OSU-UWash were later in the season I would expect the Buckeyes to win, but I think UW will win that game next week). I call them as I see them.

 

I found pretty much the entire top 25 uninspiring yesterday. it goes for the conference I cheer for, the Big 10 (with the exception of Michigan), it goes for my alma matter, and it goes for every other conference and team.

[CDBears1259]

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo.

 

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami.

 

I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment.

 

If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it.

 

It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating.

 

Fair enough, but the U's first game was against the Marshall Herd. Also, if I were you I wouldn't use LSU's game against MTSU as a measuring stick of how good LSU's D is. That should be an absolute bloodbath.

 

True, but it will still probably be the best offense they will have played.

Up to that point maybe, but come on, there's no talent comparison b/n LSU and MTSU. MTSU put up a whopping 14 pts. against Florida Atlantic and 42 against a Louisville team that's not exactly known for playing great defense.

[CuseCubFan69]

outside of OU and LSU, most of the top 25 was less than inspiring this week. Auburn, Georgia, and Boise St. go down, many had scares of one sort or another (UW, Louisville, Cal, Hawaii, Nebraska, A&M), even those who won by healthy margins played a half of lousy football (WVU, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, UCLA).

 

craptacular week there.

 

how's about not sucking so bad against the bloody Citadel next week Badgers.

 

I'm bumping this to respond to Cuse.

 

this is football. more importantly, this is college football. more importantly still this is, for the most part, non-conference college football against mostly patsies, or a t a minimum teams that are generally outclassed.

 

I don't overemphasize either half. what I look for in these situations is dominance from opening kickoff until either the end of the game or garbage time. few teams of note were able to do that yesterday. some had better competition than others, some had lack of "emotion" working against them, some took teams too lightly. I don't care what the excuse, in these situations, all the top teams should be dominating in that way.

 

I don't look for what Navy did last year, I don't look for the pride of Marshall, I don't look for a half of good football making up for a half of bad football and calling it a plus game. I may make mistakes about who might be good but unrecognized, like perhaps Wake, but I'm pretty good about recognizing who is overrated (ie. if OSU-UWash were later in the season I would expect the Buckeyes to win, but I think UW will win that game next week). I call them as I see them.

 

I found pretty much the entire top 25 uninspiring yesterday. it goes for the conference I cheer for, the Big 10 (with the exception of Michigan), it goes for my alma matter, and it goes for every other conference and team.

 

You make some interesting points but as you said, it is college football, and they are young men, not machines. Things can be adjusted and fixed by good teams and if they escape with a win over a less talented team, then they get away with it on that day. It is almost impossible to dominate over the whole 12 games no matter what type of talent you have because there is always that one game where things get tough for one reason or an other.

[Jon]

Oh my

[Mephistopheles]

Did anyone watch Kirby Freeman play? There's no doubt in my mind that Sean Glennon's a better QB than the crap Miami put out there. Miami's offense stinks. VTs isn't very good but it's better than the Canes. The Canes defense isn't nearly the quality that VT's is. VTs is probably one of the best 15 defenses in the country if not one of the top 10. LSU made them look like HS scrubs. LSUs win was much, much, much more impressive than OUs.

[jjgman21]

Tenn isn't dominating but they lose games because of a tough schedule and not scheduling 4 weak teams out of conference.

 

no they don't. they usually play one good team, and almost always lose. they get credit for having a tough schedule for playing in the SEC, but people lose track of the fact that Kentucky, Ole Miss, Vandy, SC, are in the conference, just like NW, U of IU, and IU are in to the big 10. they miss that Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, MSU, Georgia and Auburn are often hit or miss, just as MSU, Purdue, Iowa, and Minnesota are in the Big Ten. same statement could be made about your precious Big East.

 

all in all, you can say that the SEC gets too much credit as compared to the Big Ten, as the Big Ten does to the Big East. at the same time, it's pretty silly to continue to try to make the case that the Big East is better than the Big Ten top to bottom, or that their top teams are so obviously better than the Big Tens top teams. it would be like a Big Ten fan trying to make those cases about the SEC.

 

you are right that conventional wisdom sucks, but you misuse the 'convential wisdom sucks' argument year after year.

[CuseCubFan69]

LSU looked very good but VTech couldn't score on East Carolina so that takes a little luster off of it. Oklahoma pounding Miami was more impressive imo.

 

Of course I'm an LSU guy, but out of curiosity why, in your opinion, was OU's win more impressive? I don't see it as impressive enough to rank them ahead of LSU. OU's 2 victories are over North Texas and a not very good Miami.

 

I think a lot of good defenses would have stopped VTech. Let's face it, it's pretty much a toss up at this point but I thought that Miami looked better in week 1 than VTech did, thus my comment.

 

If LSU stuffs MTS next week defensively that will show me how good their defense is which I agree, is very very good. I do see your point about LSU playing 2 better teams overall than Oklahoma though and that does make me rethink it.

 

It's going to be a very interesting season and how it plays out should be quite fascinating.

 

Fair enough, but the U's first game was against the Marshall Herd. Also, if I were you I wouldn't use LSU's game against MTSU as a measuring stick of how good LSU's D is. That should be an absolute bloodbath.

 

True, but it will still probably be the best offense they will have played.

Up to that point maybe, but come on, there's no talent comparison b/n LSU and MTSU. MTSU put up a whopping 14 pts. against Florida Atlantic and 42 against a Louisville team that's not exactly known for playing great defense.

 

The biggest improvement for a team is suppose to be in between their first and second game. They had Louisville on their heels the whole game and did a nice job of moving the ball with confidence. If LSU stomps on the confidence and keeps them down, I look for a huge blowout. But, if they get it going the Tigers may too be on their heels. I do realize LSU has a way better D than Louisville But they also don't have quite the explosiveness ass the Cards do on offense to counter a good game by a good offense. Mind you they have a good offense but I'm curious on how they would respond if their D is giving up points.

[jjgman21]

outside of OU and LSU, most of the top 25 was less than inspiring this week. Auburn, Georgia, and Boise St. go down, many had scares of one sort or another (UW, Louisville, Cal, Hawaii, Nebraska, A&M), even those who won by healthy margins played a half of lousy football (WVU, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, UCLA).

 

craptacular week there.

 

how's about not sucking so bad against the bloody Citadel next week Badgers.

 

I'm bumping this to respond to Cuse.

 

this is football. more importantly, this is college football. more importantly still this is, for the most part, non-conference college football against mostly patsies, or a t a minimum teams that are generally outclassed.

 

I don't overemphasize either half. what I look for in these situations is dominance from opening kickoff until either the end of the game or garbage time. few teams of note were able to do that yesterday. some had better competition than others, some had lack of "emotion" working against them, some took teams too lightly. I don't care what the excuse, in these situations, all the top teams should be dominating in that way.

 

I don't look for what Navy did last year, I don't look for the pride of Marshall, I don't look for a half of good football making up for a half of bad football and calling it a plus game. I may make mistakes about who might be good but unrecognized, like perhaps Wake, but I'm pretty good about recognizing who is overrated (ie. if OSU-UWash were later in the season I would expect the Buckeyes to win, but I think UW will win that game next week). I call them as I see them.

 

I found pretty much the entire top 25 uninspiring yesterday. it goes for the conference I cheer for, the Big 10 (with the exception of Michigan), it goes for my alma matter, and it goes for every other conference and team.

 

You make some interesting points but as you said, it is college football, and they are young men, not machines. Things can be adjusted and fixed by good teams and if they escape with a win over a less talented team, then they get away with it on that day. It is almost impossible to dominate over the whole 12 games no matter what type of talent you have because there is always that one game where things get tough for one reason or an other.

 

yet you obviously have no trouble punishing Wisconsin and rewarding five Big East teams in your rankings.

[CuseCubFan69]

Tenn isn't dominating but they lose games because of a tough schedule and not scheduling 4 weak teams out of conference.

 

no they don't. they usually play one good team, and almost always lose. they get credit for having a tough schedule for playing in the SEC, but people lose track of the fact that Kentucky, Ole Miss, Vandy, SC, are in the conference, just like NW, U of IU, and IU are in to the big 10. they miss that Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, MSU, Georgia and Auburn are often hit or miss, just as MSU, Purdue, Iowa, and Minnesota are in the Big Ten. same statement could be made about your precious Big East.

 

all in all, you can say that the SEC gets too much credit as compared to the Big Ten, as the Big Ten does to the Big East. at the same time, it's pretty silly to continue to try to make the case that the Big East is better than the Big Ten top to bottom, or that their top teams are so obviously better than the Big Tens top teams. it would be like a Big Ten fan trying to make those cases about the SEC.

 

you are right that conventional wisdom sucks, but you misuse the 'convential wisdom sucks' argument year after year.

 

Where did I say the Big East is better top to bottom over the Big 10? You're inventing arguments now. I think someone is feeling a little defensive.

 

The problem with college football is the perception of what is good and the reality of what is good. Let's face it, rankings will always be wrong 1-25, always. The problem is that too many go by those polls and then determine what is good and what is better instead of actual research. My poll is no more correct than yours but I try to watch as many games overall as I can to get a decent perspective.

[CuseCubFan69]

outside of OU and LSU, most of the top 25 was less than inspiring this week. Auburn, Georgia, and Boise St. go down, many had scares of one sort or another (UW, Louisville, Cal, Hawaii, Nebraska, A&M), even those who won by healthy margins played a half of lousy football (WVU, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, UCLA).

 

craptacular week there.

 

how's about not sucking so bad against the bloody Citadel next week Badgers.

 

I'm bumping this to respond to Cuse.

 

this is football. more importantly, this is college football. more importantly still this is, for the most part, non-conference college football against mostly patsies, or a t a minimum teams that are generally outclassed.

 

I don't overemphasize either half. what I look for in these situations is dominance from opening kickoff until either the end of the game or garbage time. few teams of note were able to do that yesterday. some had better competition than others, some had lack of "emotion" working against them, some took teams too lightly. I don't care what the excuse, in these situations, all the top teams should be dominating in that way.

 

I don't look for what Navy did last year, I don't look for the pride of Marshall, I don't look for a half of good football making up for a half of bad football and calling it a plus game. I may make mistakes about who might be good but unrecognized, like perhaps Wake, but I'm pretty good about recognizing who is overrated (ie. if OSU-UWash were later in the season I would expect the Buckeyes to win, but I think UW will win that game next week). I call them as I see them.

 

I found pretty much the entire top 25 uninspiring yesterday. it goes for the conference I cheer for, the Big 10 (with the exception of Michigan), it goes for my alma matter, and it goes for every other conference and team.

 

You make some interesting points but as you said, it is college football, and they are young men, not machines. Things can be adjusted and fixed by good teams and if they escape with a win over a less talented team, then they get away with it on that day. It is almost impossible to dominate over the whole 12 games no matter what type of talent you have because there is always that one game where things get tough for one reason or an other.

 

yet you obviously have no trouble punishing Wisconsin and rewarding five Big East teams in your rankings.

 

I've found Wisconsin quite ordinary except for their adjustments made in the second half of the Washington St game.

[CDBears1259]

Oh my

I like ND, but OH MY. Getting a little ahead of ourselves aren't we ESPN?

[imb]

Oh my

I like ND, but OH MY. Getting a little ahead of ourselves aren't we ESPN?

 

I think you're missing the joke.

[dew1679666265]

Tenn is usually tough and plays a good schedule. Overrated, maybe but I give them credit for playing a tough team

 

doesn't change your unequal treatment of Georgia and Tennessee. you complain about the pollsters, but have no problem that Tennessee continuously is kept in the top 25 and goes to good bowl games despite 4 loss seasons. it's just not consistent.

 

Of the past 6 seasons, we've had three of three losses or less and three of four or more. One of those 4+ loss seasons was the 5-6 year - which was awful - and another was 2002 after a near National Championship appearance and the loss of multiple key players including our top two receivers and our best linebacker.

 

The third four loss season was last year and the fourth loss didn't come until the bowl game. Before that, our losses were to Florida (Nat'l Champs), Arkansas (SEC West champs) and LSU. Two of those three (Fla and LSU) we lost by single digits in the final seconds.

 

I fail to see how we're not top 25 quality. And in the three 4+ loss seasons, the bowls we made were Peach (02), none (05) and Outback (06). In the three or less loss seasons, we made the Outback (01), Peach (02 - when our third loss didn't come until the bowl) and Cotton (04). The best bowl we've made in that stretch is the Outback twice. Both appearances are easily justifiable and deserved.

 

If anything, we should have had better bowls in 01 and maybe 02.

 

Just for the record too, Georgia hasn't proven time and again that they are overrated. They're very talented, but also very young.

[Mephistopheles]

Oh my

I like ND, but OH MY. Getting a little ahead of ourselves aren't we ESPN?

 

I think you're missing the joke.

 

what joke!? could it possibly be ndsn?

[Derwood]

hilarious

[soccer10k]

Appalachian State got 19 votes in the AP Poll this week and are in 33rd place.

[dew1679666265]

Tenn isn't dominating but they lose games because of a tough schedule and not scheduling 4 weak teams out of conference.

 

no they don't. they usually play one good team, and almost always lose. they get credit for having a tough schedule for playing in the SEC, but people lose track of the fact that Kentucky, Ole Miss, Vandy, SC, are in the conference, just like NW, U of IU, and IU are in to the big 10. they miss that Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, MSU, Georgia and Auburn are often hit or miss, just as MSU, Purdue, Iowa, and Minnesota are in the Big Ten. same statement could be made about your precious Big East.

 

all in all, you can say that the SEC gets too much credit as compared to the Big Ten, as the Big Ten does to the Big East. at the same time, it's pretty silly to continue to try to make the case that the Big East is better than the Big Ten top to bottom, or that their top teams are so obviously better than the Big Tens top teams. it would be like a Big Ten fan trying to make those cases about the SEC.

 

you are right that conventional wisdom sucks, but you misuse the 'convential wisdom sucks' argument year after year.

 

We play a top team once each year and you make it sound like we're never competitive with them. Granted, we do have a 2-4 record in those games, but keep in mind one of those games was that great Miami team in 02 and two games with a very athletic Cal team. Our wins were a blowout over Cal last year and a win in 03 at Miami (who finished in the top 10). The losses were to #1 Miami, Notre Dame (by four points with our third string QB in the game) and Notre Dame again in 05.

 

"Almost always lose" sounds like we just roll over for the good teams we play. That's simply not true.

 

Also, I would take South Carolina and Kentucky the past two years over Indiana and Illinois any day. And Tennessee only plays Ole Miss every few years.

[Mephistopheles]

Appalachian State got 19 votes in the AP Poll this week and are in 33rd place.

 

1. I thought they weren't eligible.

2. If they were eligible why did they have 0 votes last week?

3. If 1 is true and 2 is not true, then why did the AP change the rules?

[CDBears1259]

The biggest improvement for a team is suppose to be in between their first and second game. They had Louisville on their heels the whole game and did a nice job of moving the ball with confidence. If LSU stomps on the confidence and keeps them down, I look for a huge blowout. But, if they get it going the Tigers may too be on their heels. I do realize LSU has a way better D than Louisville But they also don't have quite the explosiveness ass the Cards do on offense to counter a good game by a good offense. Mind you they have a good offense but I'm curious on how they would respond if their D is giving up points.

 

Outside of the QB position (if we still had Russell there'd be very little questions IMO), I'd probably put LSU's offensive talent up against any number of top ranked teams. You, MAY BE right about LSU being on their heels IF they get going, but MTSU would have to get going first. I'll be floored if LSU gives up more than 10-14 points to MTSU. I think you'll be disappointed in this game in that I don't think you'll see the D giving up points in this one to see how LSU's O responds.

[CuseCubFan69]

Appalachian State got 19 votes in the AP Poll this week and are in 33rd place.

 

And Auburn gets more votes than South Florida in the good ole boy poll.

[CuseCubFan69]

The biggest improvement for a team is suppose to be in between their first and second game. They had Louisville on their heels the whole game and did a nice job of moving the ball with confidence. If LSU stomps on the confidence and keeps them down, I look for a huge blowout. But, if they get it going the Tigers may too be on their heels. I do realize LSU has a way better D than Louisville But they also don't have quite the explosiveness ass the Cards do on offense to counter a good game by a good offense. Mind you they have a good offense but I'm curious on how they would respond if their D is giving up points.

 

Outside of the QB position (if we still had Russell there'd be very little questions IMO), I'd probably put LSU's offensive talent up against any number of top ranked teams. You, MAY BE right about LSU being on their heels IF they get going, but MTSU would have to get going first. I'll be floored if LSU gives up more than 10-14 points to MTSU. I think you'll be disappointed in this game in that I don't think you'll see the D giving up points in this one to see how LSU's O responds.

 

You may be right about the defense in that game but imo no way does LSU have a better offense than Louisville.

[Mephistopheles]

Appalachian State got 19 votes in the AP Poll this week and are in 33rd place.

 

And Auburn gets more votes than South Florida in the good ole boy poll.

 

Just because USF beat Auburn it doesn't mean USF is a better team. Just because Oregon thrashed Michigan it doesn't mean Oregon is a better team. Just because ...

[Sosa21MVP]

Huge win for Indiana last night. I didn't care for letting a 34-7 lead become a ballgame again but in any case, we just need wins.

 

2-0 and Akron next.