College Football - Week of 9/8

[Exile on Waveland]

Wisconsin isn't very good. They weren't very good last season either. They're a top 25 team probably in the mid to late teens but theyre not a top ten team. Certainly not number five. Any level-headed Wisconsin fan would agree with that statement.

 

The Big 10 isn't a good conference. It's not ACC bad, but it's not good.

 

I agree with your second paragraph. However, Wisconsin certainly was good last year. They lost one game, and won a bowl game against Auburn -- the only team to beat National Champion Florida. I'm not arguing they're a top-5 team, but they certainly are a good team.

 

*Also, Wisconsin isn't very good, yet they're one of the top-20 teams in the country? Are you saying there are only like 10 good teams each year?

[Jon]

The need to debate which conference is better is completely foreign to me.

 

How about individual teams?

[Exile on Waveland]

It's so hard to tell how good any team is, especially right now, since most big-time schools play at the most one quality non-con opponent, and then only conference teams after that.

 

I agree. Maybe the Big 12 will shake out to be better than the Big 10. I don't think so, but I probably said so with too much certainty in my earlier post.

[soccer10k]

Uh, the Big XII is embarrassing itself. It does not look like a good football conference this year.

 

TCU up 10 on Texas in the 3rd

Neb squeaks by a decent WF team w/o it's #1 QB

Mizzou with a tough game against a mid-level SEC team

Northern iowa putting a clown suit on Iowa State

aTm needing OT to beat Fresno State.

 

actually, Mizzou looks like they're handling business now.

 

The Big 12 is better than the Big 11.

 

wrong

 

The Big 11 was garbage last year and, sans Wisconsin, is garbage this year.

 

Wisconsin - good

Michigan - sucks

OSU - nowhere near as good as last year and probably overrated

Indiana - garbage

Illinois - too young right now

Penn State - offense is not good at all

Minnesota - HAHAHA, yeah

Iowa - not very good

Purdue - no defense

Northwestern - even more "HA's" than Minnesota

Michigan State - the best thing about them is John L is gone

 

The Big 11 is not a very good conference. Don't get me wrong, the Big 12 isn't that good either, but at least they have Oklahoma.

 

Big Ten teams finished last season ranked Nos. 2, 7, 8 and 24 in the AP Poll and 2, 5, 9 and 25 in the USA Today Poll. That is certainly not "garbage." The mighty Big 12 finished 11 and 13 in each.

 

Your rundown of the Big 10 is laughable as well. One could easily make ridiculous claims and pick out weaknesses of every Big 12 team (perhaps sans Oklahoma). Ohio State was better last year? Really, you think? Well then, Texas isn't good because they aren't as good as they were two years ago. (That said, OSU probably is overrated) Penn State's offense isn't great, but they have quality pieces -- especially at WR. Iowa is a solid team.

 

Oklahoma is likely the best team in either conference. But the Big 10 is better overall.

 

Ohio State team got demolished in the National Championship game and was not the second best team in the country (LSU and USC were, without a doubt, better). Michigan got a royal beatdown at the hands of USC and are clearly not a very good football team. Wisconsin is a good team and the best in the conference but that isn't really saying much. They only lead Washington State by 7 going into the fourth quarter last week and are only up 9-7 on UNLV at halftime this year. But I underrated them last year and they proved me wrong. Plus they have nearly all of their starters coming back so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until.

 

You obviously missed my point about OSU being overrated this year. 12th best team in the country? Not a chance. And your analogy to Texas is laughable. OSU lost a hell of a lot more than Texas from last year to this year. Iowa struggled to beat NIU last week. They are not that good of a football team. I've seen enough of Anthony Morelli to know that he's not a very good quarterback. And I don't care how good your receivers are, if your QB can't get them the ball, they aren't going to look very good. Just look at Calvin Johnson with Reggie Ball last year. And Penn State's WR's don't even deserve to wash Johnson's uniform.

 

Also, why are you using the results of last year's poll to compare the Big 12 and Big 11? While I did say that the Big 11 was garbage last year, I only said that THIS YEAR they are worse than the Big 12.

[cubweiser03]

MSU and Minny had tight games with MAC teams today. Although MSU romped UAB last week and UAB almost beat FSU this week. NU had a tough game against Nevada. Wisky is 9-7 at half vs UNLV. Its early but so far its not impressive.

 

There are a lot of close games this year with other conferences than the B10 too and some of those teams are losing.

[Derwood]

LSU's field is horrible. numbering every 5 yards is almost as bad as the blue turf in Boise

[soccer10k]

Wisconsin isn't very good. They weren't very good last season either. They're a top 25 team probably in the mid to late teens but theyre not a top ten team. Certainly not number five. Any level-headed Wisconsin fan would agree with that statement.

 

The Big 10 isn't a good conference. It's not ACC bad, but it's not good.

 

I agree with your second paragraph. However, Wisconsin certainly was good last year. They lost one game, and won a bowl game against Auburn -- the only team to beat National Champion Florida. I'm not arguing they're a top-5 team, but they certainly are a good team.

 

*Also, Wisconsin isn't very good, yet they're one of the top-20 teams in the country? Are you saying there are only like 10 good teams each year?

 

I agree with his second paragraph as well. There's no way I could possibly argue that the ACC is better than any one of the other five BCS conferences.

[OleMissCub]

actually, Mizzou looks like they're handling business now.

 

Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis is a real good back, but if this is really the Mizzou defense then Oklahoma is going to run for about 500 yards, and Javorskie Lane is going to eat us alive in every sense of the word.

 

Stupid Rebels....two turnovers in the red zone.

 

By the way, your receiving corps is ENORMOUSLY tall.

[B]

LSU's field is horrible. numbering every 5 yards is almost as bad as the blue turf in Boise

 

NO!

[OleMissCub]

Just looked at it, BenJarvus Green Ellis had 226 yards rushing tonight...yowza.

[Exile on Waveland]

Uh, the Big XII is embarrassing itself. It does not look like a good football conference this year.

 

TCU up 10 on Texas in the 3rd

Neb squeaks by a decent WF team w/o it's #1 QB

Mizzou with a tough game against a mid-level SEC team

Northern iowa putting a clown suit on Iowa State

aTm needing OT to beat Fresno State.

 

actually, Mizzou looks like they're handling business now.

 

The Big 12 is better than the Big 11.

 

wrong

 

The Big 11 was garbage last year and, sans Wisconsin, is garbage this year.

 

Wisconsin - good

Michigan - sucks

OSU - nowhere near as good as last year and probably overrated

Indiana - garbage

Illinois - too young right now

Penn State - offense is not good at all

Minnesota - HAHAHA, yeah

Iowa - not very good

Purdue - no defense

Northwestern - even more "HA's" than Minnesota

Michigan State - the best thing about them is John L is gone

 

The Big 11 is not a very good conference. Don't get me wrong, the Big 12 isn't that good either, but at least they have Oklahoma.

 

Big Ten teams finished last season ranked Nos. 2, 7, 8 and 24 in the AP Poll and 2, 5, 9 and 25 in the USA Today Poll. That is certainly not "garbage." The mighty Big 12 finished 11 and 13 in each.

 

Your rundown of the Big 10 is laughable as well. One could easily make ridiculous claims and pick out weaknesses of every Big 12 team (perhaps sans Oklahoma). Ohio State was better last year? Really, you think? Well then, Texas isn't good because they aren't as good as they were two years ago. (That said, OSU probably is overrated) Penn State's offense isn't great, but they have quality pieces -- especially at WR. Iowa is a solid team.

 

Oklahoma is likely the best team in either conference. But the Big 10 is better overall.

 

Ohio State team got demolished in the National Championship game and was not the second best team in the country (LSU and USC were, without a doubt, better). Michigan got a royal beatdown at the hands of USC and are clearly not a very good football team. Wisconsin is a good team and the best in the conference but that isn't really saying much. They only lead Washington State by 7 going into the fourth quarter last week and are only up 9-7 on UNLV at halftime this year. But I underrated them last year and they proved me wrong. Plus they have nearly all of their starters coming back so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until.

 

You obviously missed my point about OSU being overrated this year. 12th best team in the country? Not a chance. And your analogy to Texas is laughable. OSU lost a hell of a lot more than Texas from last year to this year. Iowa struggled to beat NIU last week. They are not that good of a football team. I've seen enough of Anthony Morelli to know that he's not a very good quarterback. And I don't care how good your receivers are, if your QB can't get them the ball, they aren't going to look very good. Just look at Calvin Johnson with Reggie Ball last year. And Penn State's WR's don't even deserve to wash Johnson's uniform.

 

Also, why are you using the results of last year's poll to compare the Big 12 and Big 11? While I did say that the Big 11 was garbage last year, I only said that THIS YEAR they are worse than the Big 12.

 

First, you started your last post by saying "The Big 11 (sic) was garbage last year." That would be why I used last year's poll results, to refute your argument that the Big Ten was garbage -- I simply added the Big 12's rankings as an aside (seemed topical).

 

Second, I said Texas isn't as good as they were TWO years ago. Not last year. Ohio State could be very good this year and still not be as good as they were last year -- even if they were only the fourth best team or so as you say (and you're probably right). That was my point -- OSU and Texas are going to be good this year, regardless of whether either is as good as they've been recently.

 

Third, Michigan lost by 14 to USC in Los Angeles. That's not a "royal beatdown." USC rarely loses. Obviously Michigan stinks this year, but last year's loss to USC is wholly understandable.

 

Finally, maybe the Big 12 is better. It's hard to tell at this point, but the Big 10 was not garbage last year and OSU being worse than last year doesn't exclude them from being good this year.

[Mephistopheles]

Wisconsin isn't very good. They weren't very good last season either. They're a top 25 team probably in the mid to late teens but theyre not a top ten team. Certainly not number five. Any level-headed Wisconsin fan would agree with that statement.

 

The Big 10 isn't a good conference. It's not ACC bad, but it's not good.

 

the conference has, what, 4 losses after two weeks? chill out

 

It's not a two week-based opinion. I stated the same things the week before the season started.

 

well don't pin the entire conference on Michigan

 

I'm not. Ohio State got massacred. Michigan matters though. They're near the bottom of the BCS conferences. I don't really think it's debatable.

[Guest]

Just looked at it, BenJarvus Green Ellis had 226 yards rushing tonight...yowza.

 

My fantasy team rejoices (esp with Booty and Felix Jones not playing today).

[B]

I can't believe you disrespected Louisiana Tech by putting them under mismatch.

 

and you thought I was joking.

[Derwood]

LSU's field is horrible. numbering every 5 yards is almost as bad as the blue turf in Boise

 

NO!

 

YES!!

[cubweiser03]

USF int and returns to the auburn 3.

[soccer10k]

Ohio State team got demolished in the National Championship game and was not the second best team in the country (LSU and USC were, without a doubt, better). Michigan got a royal beatdown at the hands of USC and are clearly not a very good football team. Wisconsin is a good team and the best in the conference but that isn't really saying much. They only lead Washington State by 7 going into the fourth quarter last week and are only up 9-7 on UNLV at halftime this year. But I underrated them last year and they proved me wrong. Plus they have nearly all of their starters coming back so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until.

 

You obviously missed my point about OSU being overrated this year. 12th best team in the country? Not a chance. And your analogy to Texas is laughable. OSU lost a hell of a lot more than Texas from last year to this year. Iowa struggled to beat NIU last week. They are not that good of a football team. I've seen enough of Anthony Morelli to know that he's not a very good quarterback. And I don't care how good your receivers are, if your QB can't get them the ball, they aren't going to look very good. Just look at Calvin Johnson with Reggie Ball last year. And Penn State's WR's don't even deserve to wash Johnson's uniform.

 

Also, why are you using the results of last year's poll to compare the Big 12 and Big 11? While I did say that the Big 11 was garbage last year, I only said that THIS YEAR they are worse than the Big 12.

 

First, you started your last post by saying "The Big 11 (sic) was garbage last year." That would be why I used last year's poll results, to refute your argument that the Big Ten was garbage -- I simply added the Big 12's rankings as an aside (seemed topical).

 

Second, I said Texas isn't as good as they were TWO years ago. Not last year. Ohio State could be very good this year and still not be as good as they were last year -- even if they were only the fourth best team or so as you say (and you're probably right). That was my point -- OSU and Texas are going to be good this year, regardless of whether either is as good as they've been recently.

 

Third, Michigan lost by 14 to USC in Los Angeles. That's not a "royal beatdown." USC rarely loses. Obviously Michigan stinks this year, but last year's loss to USC is wholly understandable.

 

Finally, maybe the Big 12 is better. It's hard to tell at this point, but the Big 10 was not garbage last year and OSU being worse than last year doesn't exclude them from being good this year.

 

My main point about Ohio State was that they are overrated this year and aren't the 12th best team in the country. They aren't that good. I realize that because they were better last year doesn't mean they're not a good team this year. I just don't think they're a very good football team.

 

Did you watch the Michigan-USC game? USC demolished them in the second half. Michigan couldn't get a pass rush on Booty if their lives depended on it. Also, Michigan got a garbage time touchdown in the fourth quarter that made that game closer than it was. USC was, far and away, the better team on the field that day.

 

Maybe I overstated the Big 11 being garbage last year. But that's only because its garbage this year and the Big 11 last year was clearly better than it is this year.

[B]

LSU's field is horrible. numbering every 5 yards is almost as bad as the blue turf in Boise

 

NO!

 

YES!!

 

:roll:

[soccer10k]

On another note, does anyone else think Georgia is one of the consistently overrated teams in the past few years? I'm not saying they've been massively overrated, but they always seem to have some pub going into the season but lose one or two games they have no business losing.

[Warpticon]

Wisconsin isn't very good. They weren't very good last season either. They're a top 25 team probably in the mid to late teens but theyre not a top ten team. Certainly not number five. Any level-headed Wisconsin fan would agree with that statement.

 

The Big 10 isn't a good conference. It's not ACC bad, but it's not good.

 

I agree with your second paragraph. However, Wisconsin certainly was good last year. They lost one game, and won a bowl game against Auburn -- the only team to beat National Champion Florida. I'm not arguing they're a top-5 team, but they certainly are a good team.

 

*Also, Wisconsin isn't very good, yet they're one of the top-20 teams in the country? Are you saying there are only like 10 good teams each year?

 

No, they played Arkansas, and should have lost, had Arkansas had a competent kicker.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hellova game tonight at La Tech. That was fun.

 

Then I came home to watch the LSU game on Tivo.

 

This Tiger team may be better than I first thought.

 

Wow...kicking ass.

[Warpticon]

On another note, does anyone else think Georgia is one of the consistently overrated teams in the past few years? I'm not saying they've been massively overrated, but they always seem to have some pub going into the season but lose one or two games they have no business losing.

 

Recently, I suppose so. I didn't think much of Georgia last year, but they were impressive in their last several games and salvaged a good season out of what could have been a nightmare. For that reason, and considering they had a lot of young players at key positions that were sure to improve, I was pretty high on Georgia this season. Right now I'm not sure whether I overrated them or should have given South Carolina more credit. Georgia sure does seem prone to disappearing offense, though.

[B]

Hellova game tonight at La Tech. That was fun.

 

Then I came home to watch the LSU game on Tivo.

 

This Tiger team may be better than I first thought.

 

Wow...kicking ass.

 

I was listening to Tech at work. I wish they could've pulled it off. At least LSU looked strong.

[Warpticon]

I can't believe you disrespected Louisiana Tech by putting them under mismatch.

 

and you thought I was joking.

 

Had Boise not lost, the WAC would be looking pretty damm good right now.

[Exile on Waveland]

Wisconsin isn't very good. They weren't very good last season either. They're a top 25 team probably in the mid to late teens but theyre not a top ten team. Certainly not number five. Any level-headed Wisconsin fan would agree with that statement.

 

The Big 10 isn't a good conference. It's not ACC bad, but it's not good.

 

I agree with your second paragraph. However, Wisconsin certainly was good last year. They lost one game, and won a bowl game against Auburn -- the only team to beat National Champion Florida. I'm not arguing they're a top-5 team, but they certainly are a good team.

 

*Also, Wisconsin isn't very good, yet they're one of the top-20 teams in the country? Are you saying there are only like 10 good teams each year?

 

No, they played Arkansas, and should have lost, had Arkansas had a competent kicker.

 

Oops, my bad. They beat Auburn two years ago, that's what I get for not fact-checking.