If Zambrano doesnt shape up will it cost Hendry his job?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hendrys made a lot of boneheaded moves in his stint with the Cubs, and people have been calling for his head for a while now. Hes spent money freely, sometimes paying off, sometimes not.

 

Zambrano, however could be the final nail in his coffin. Everyone advised against Hendry puttin out the big bucks for someone to pay who isnt even known yet. Everyone fom the Trib to Selig warned Hendry from splurging, but he wouldnt listen. The fans however called for an extension.

 

Finally, he listened to the voice of the fans and signed Big Z to a big deal in the midst of the worst stretch of his career. Last night, Z bottomed out. Hopefully, it will be a wake up call for Carlos and he'll dominate through the rest of the season. If not, it may finally be the end of the Jim Hendry era, and nobody will be able to blame Owner X from doing so including Big Z or Hendry himself.

[CuseCubFan69]

The owners sign the checks not Hendry. It HAS to be approved by the head man, especially at that amount of money.

[CubinNY]

Oh boy. Z not "shaping up" will be the glisseny drop of dew on top of the cherry, on top of the whipped cream, on top of the icing, on top of the crap cake that Hendry made.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT BLAMING HENDRY FOR Z'S ACTIONS

 

If by shaping up you mean pitch better, I think everyone agree with that. And I hope he does.

 

I really don't get all this hate at all. Z has pitched poorly, he made a boneheaded baserunning mistake, and he was pissed off at the end of the game. He's human. He probably said some things he regrets, but nobody likes to get booed.

 

People, imagine if 35 of your "friends" came to your job when you had a bad day or were sluffing off posting here and started ridiculing you. How would you feel about it?

 

Z shouldn't have said what he said, but I think his feelings are a natural part of being human.

Edited September 4, 2007 by CubinNY

[Keener98]

Oh boy. Z not "shaping up" will be the glisseny drop of dew on top of the cherry, on top of the whipped cream, on top of the icing, on top of the crap cake that Hendry made.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT BLAMING HENDRY FOR Z'S ACTIONS

 

If by shaping up you mean pitch better, I think everyone agree with that. And I hope he does.

 

I really don't get all this hate at all. Z has pitched poorly, he made a boneheaded baserunning mistake, and he was pissed off at the end of the game. He's human. He probably said some things he regrets, but nobody likes to get booed.

 

People, imagine if 35 of your "friends" came to your job when you had a bad day or where sluffing off posting here and started ridiculing you. How would you feel about it?

 

Z shouldn't have said what he said, but I think his feelings are a natural part of being human.

 

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The owners sign the checks not Hendry. It HAS to be approved by the head man, especially at that amount of money.

 

I have a feeling that Jim did a lot of persuasion. Otherwise the contract would have been done a lot sooner than it was. Remember, Jim, Z, and Pavner all wanted it done a long time go.

[CuseCubFan69]

The owners sign the checks not Hendry. It HAS to be approved by the head man, especially at that amount of money.

 

I have a feeling that Jim did a lot of persuasion. Otherwise the contract would have been done a lot sooner than it was. Remember, Jim, Z, and Pavner all wanted it done a long time go.

 

I don't know how much persuasion Hendry has and no matter how much he does have the guy who ultimately signs the check has to take this on his shoulders as well.

[CubinNY]

Oh boy. Z not "shaping up" will be the glisseny drop of dew on top of the cherry, on top of the whipped cream, on top of the icing, on top of the crap cake that Hendry made.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT BLAMING HENDRY FOR Z'S ACTIONS

 

If by shaping up you mean pitch better, I think everyone agree with that. And I hope he does.

 

I really don't get all this hate at all. Z has pitched poorly, he made a boneheaded baserunning mistake, and he was pissed off at the end of the game. He's human. He probably said some things he regrets, but nobody likes to get booed.

 

People, imagine if 35 of your "friends" came to your job when you had a bad day or where sluffing off posting here and started ridiculing you. How would you feel about it?

 

Z shouldn't have said what he said, but I think his feelings are a natural part of being human.

 

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route.

Please. Did he hurt your feelings?

[Keener98]

Oh boy. Z not "shaping up" will be the glisseny drop of dew on top of the cherry, on top of the whipped cream, on top of the icing, on top of the crap cake that Hendry made.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT BLAMING HENDRY FOR Z'S ACTIONS

 

If by shaping up you mean pitch better, I think everyone agree with that. And I hope he does.

 

I really don't get all this hate at all. Z has pitched poorly, he made a boneheaded baserunning mistake, and he was pissed off at the end of the game. He's human. He probably said some things he regrets, but nobody likes to get booed.

 

People, imagine if 35 of your "friends" came to your job when you had a bad day or where sluffing off posting here and started ridiculing you. How would you feel about it?

 

Z shouldn't have said what he said, but I think his feelings are a natural part of being human.

 

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route.

Please. Did he hurt your feelings?

 

Please, its not about hurting my feelings its about being a Pro, and not acting like a baby because his feelings were hurt by being boo'd. If he doesnt want boo'd shut up and pitch better plain and simple. Z's mouth has done a lot of talking, and he hasnt backed up any of it.

[CubinNY]

Oh boy. Z not "shaping up" will be the glisseny drop of dew on top of the cherry, on top of the whipped cream, on top of the icing, on top of the crap cake that Hendry made.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT BLAMING HENDRY FOR Z'S ACTIONS

 

If by shaping up you mean pitch better, I think everyone agree with that. And I hope he does.

 

I really don't get all this hate at all. Z has pitched poorly, he made a boneheaded baserunning mistake, and he was pissed off at the end of the game. He's human. He probably said some things he regrets, but nobody likes to get booed.

 

People, imagine if 35 of your "friends" came to your job when you had a bad day or where sluffing off posting here and started ridiculing you. How would you feel about it?

 

Z shouldn't have said what he said, but I think his feelings are a natural part of being human.

 

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route.

Please. Did he hurt your feelings?

 

Please, its not about hurting my feelings its about being a Pro.

I'm sure you know a lot about that.

 

You and everyone else cannot have it both ways. Lots of people love the firey fist pumping Z after a K. Or the hustling Z who tried to get to every ball. Or the Z who says, "I have to give it up to God, becuase without him I'd be screwed".

 

Well this is the same guy. He's emotional. The only difference is he's emotional after a loss instead of a win. You have to take the good with the bad.

[Keener98]

Oh boy. Z not "shaping up" will be the glisseny drop of dew on top of the cherry, on top of the whipped cream, on top of the icing, on top of the crap cake that Hendry made.

 

DISCLAIMER: I'M NOT BLAMING HENDRY FOR Z'S ACTIONS

 

If by shaping up you mean pitch better, I think everyone agree with that. And I hope he does.

 

I really don't get all this hate at all. Z has pitched poorly, he made a boneheaded baserunning mistake, and he was pissed off at the end of the game. He's human. He probably said some things he regrets, but nobody likes to get booed.

 

People, imagine if 35 of your "friends" came to your job when you had a bad day or where sluffing off posting here and started ridiculing you. How would you feel about it?

 

Z shouldn't have said what he said, but I think his feelings are a natural part of being human.

 

Z had over 2 hours to be pissed off before his press conference. Plenty of time to blow off some steam, and say what Kip Wells said. Instead Z decided to go the different route.

Please. Did he hurt your feelings?

 

Please, its not about hurting my feelings its about being a Pro.

I'm sure you know a lot about that.

 

You and everyone else cannot have it both ways. Lots of people love the firey fist pumping Z after a K. Or the hustling Z who tried to get to every ball. Or the Z who says, "I have to give it up to God, becuase without him I'd be screwed".

 

Well this is the same guy. He's emotional. The only difference is he's emotional after a loss instead of a win. You have to take the good with the bad.

 

Exactly and the fans were emotional yesterday as well and Z has to be able to take the good with the bad, he of all people should know what its like to be emotional.

 

Ill also add that Cubs fans were acting in the heat of the moment just as Z does all the time. However Z's press conference was 2 hours later and by then he should have been able to forget about it, put it past him, and not make the comments like he did.

[nolanwood]

I think the Z-bashing response due to his booing comments may be the most narrow-minded bashing I've seen on this forum. You guys love his fiery-ness and emotions on the mound when he's winning, but you've gotta take the bad with the good. In scenarios where he's struggling, you're gonna logically get some negative emotions. I also fail to see any reason to bash him because he's lost a few games since signing a big contract. The guy isn't perfect and he's not always gonna be lights out. As his past #'s have shown, he goes through bad months and extremely good ones throughout a season. He's going through a bad stretch, yet I'm confident he'll turn it around and help this team get into the postseason. It also seems Z has a history of turning these negative scenarios into positiveness on the mound - so maybe we should be thankful for his little blowup.

[Keener98]

I think the Z-bashing response due to his booing comments may be the most narrow-minded bashing I've seen on this forum. You guys love his fiery-ness and emotions on the mound when he's winning, but you've gotta take the bad with the good. In scenarios where he's struggling, you're gonna logically get some negative emotions. I also fail to see any reason to bash him because he's lost a few games since signing a big contract. The guy isn't perfect and he's not always gonna be lights out. As his past #'s have shown, he goes through bad months and extremely good ones throughout a season. He's going through a bad stretch, yet I'm confident he'll turn it around and help this team get into the postseason. It also seems Z has a history of turning these negative scenarios into positiveness on the mound - so maybe we should be thankful for his little blowup.

 

And Z should expect the same from the fans, hes got to take the good with the bad.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think the question is about Hendry and what would or can happen to him if this signing backfires. Please post about Z's behavior on the other Z thread please.

 

Thanks

 

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[UK1679666180]

I'm sure you know a lot about that.

 

You and everyone else cannot have it both ways. Lots of people love the firey fist pumping Z after a K. Or the hustling Z who tried to get to every ball. Or the Z who says, "I have to give it up to God, becuase without him I'd be screwed".

 

Well this is the same guy. He's emotional. The only difference is he's emotional after a loss instead of a win. You have to take the good with the bad.

 

You can have it both ways, there aren't many pitchers out there with his talent and it appears he is his own worst enemy at times, yesterday just happened to be what appears to be a crucial time in the season.

 

People are combining composure with emotions, you can be emotional and still maintain the composure to be effective out there. I don't care if he's emotional out there (although, I think he's showing up the opponent many times) if he keeps his composure.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm sure you know a lot about that.

 

You and everyone else cannot have it both ways. Lots of people love the firey fist pumping Z after a K. Or the hustling Z who tried to get to every ball. Or the Z who says, "I have to give it up to God, becuase without him I'd be screwed".

 

Well this is the same guy. He's emotional. The only difference is he's emotional after a loss instead of a win. You have to take the good with the bad.

 

You can have it both ways, there aren't many pitchers out there with his talent and it appears he is his own worst enemy at times, yesterday just happened to be what appears to be a crucial time in the season.

 

People are combining composure with emotions, you can be emotional and still maintain the composure to be effective out there. I don't care if he's emotional out there (although, I think he's showing up the opponent many times) if he keeps his composure.

 

Exactly. That's the biggest thing people seem to miss in this argument.

 

There are plenty of football players who are just as emotional as Z if not more. They still have to keep their composure to make their reads, carry out their assignments and in the case of a guy like Ray Lewis, make calls and align their teammates.

 

Obviously Z isn't a football player and the comparison isn't perfect. But the point is, just because Z gets excited and his emotions run wild, shouldn't mean he can't keep his head and still perform.

 

Being emotional and still keeping your head enough to be able to perform shouldn't be an either/or proposition. And it isn't for anyone other than Z.

[UK1679666180]

Clemens is one of the prime examples of the last 20 years, he's not wired like Maddux, Glavine, etc., he's more high strung and beyond the Piazza incident of the '00 WS, he's pitched well when the chips are down and not done anything to hurt the team by losing his cool.

 

Zambrano still needs to prove to me at least, he has that balance of being able to control his emotion in high pressure situations.

 

That doesn't mean that I think he's not a hell of a pitcher or I wish he was another team, but it's something he'll likely to have improve on.

 

It's not an all or nothing situation as some might be trying to indicate...

 

Yes, I'm frustrated by his collaspe yesterday and his comments afterwards and I think he needs to improve on keeping his composure in games like this. But, I'm glad he's a Cub and believe he will con't to be a productive player overall and I would not boo him in that situation.

[SouthSideRyan]

Clemens... he's pitched well when the chips are down

 

Tell it to Boston.

[UK1679666180]

Red Sox fans would need to bust on Schraldi 1st.

 

Look at his postseason numbers...

[biittner77]

Hendry's fate will already be sealed before most people begin to appreciate the damage he's done. The only way Hendry can save his job is for the Cubs to reach the WS either this or next year.

[TheDude]

Signing Zambrano to an extension was clearly the correct move. I can't see how this would affect Hendry's job in the offseason.

[Peoriaman]

I think the Z-bashing response due to his booing comments may be the most narrow-minded bashing I've seen on this forum. You guys love his fiery-ness and emotions on the mound when he's winning, but you've gotta take the bad with the good. In scenarios where he's struggling, you're gonna logically get some negative emotions. I also fail to see any reason to bash him because he's lost a few games since signing a big contract. The guy isn't perfect and he's not always gonna be lights out. As his past #'s have shown, he goes through bad months and extremely good ones throughout a season. He's going through a bad stretch, yet I'm confident he'll turn it around and help this team get into the postseason. It also seems Z has a history of turning these negative scenarios into positiveness on the mound - so maybe we should be thankful for his little blowup.

 

 

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