Ideas about Murton

[Keener98]

Rot on the bench? Man, hyperbole galore here. We are trying to win a division and Murton got called up 3 or 4 days ago. You already have him rotting?

 

With as hot as he was hitting and how mediocre Floyd has been, he should have been playing the first game being called up. However Lou for some reason thinks Murton cant hit rightys and will only play him against lefties, even though Murton was playing, and hitting both in AAA. The one advantage Floyd has over Murton is supposed to be power, and Floyds power has been non existent except for long foul balls. Man he sure is the king of power when it comes to hitting a ball a long ways foul.

[jaxxradio]

Peoria, I wasn't talking present persay, I was talking about the rate the Cubs are going with this.

 

Like it or not, Murton is the best player available on this club to play right. Past history (albeit brief) has shown he can hit major league pitching and unlike Floyd, he isn't 135 years old with a gimpy body.

 

Murton was sent to Triple-A to learn how to play right and to get his stroke back. He didn't make an error while at Iowa and hit well over .300 with 5 or 6 homers in a brief stay. I'd say mission accomplished on both ends.

 

I'll continue to say that if he plays everyday, Murton hits .300+ with 20-25 homers, 15-20 steals a year and an average defensive player. I know you anti-Murton folks out there will laugh at the home run numbers, but given the fact that he has a loft in his swing that will produce homeruns, it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rot on the bench? Man, hyperbole galore here. We are trying to win a division and Murton got called up 3 or 4 days ago. You already have him rotting?

 

There's a school of thought that call-ups should be thrown right into the lineup, and not sit for 3-4 days once they first come up. If there was anything to be gained by putting him in AAA it was to get him consistent playing time, calling him up and having him sit negates that benefit. If Murton is back here to just play once every 3-4 days, there's really no benefit to having him here.

[DiamondMind]

Rot on the bench? Man, hyperbole galore here. We are trying to win a division and Murton got called up 3 or 4 days ago. You already have him rotting?

 

There's a school of thought that call-ups should be thrown right into the lineup, and not sit for 3-4 days once they first come up. If there was anything to be gained by putting him in AAA it was to get him consistent playing time, calling him up and having him sit negates that benefit. If Murton is back here to just play once every 3-4 days, there's really no benefit to having him here.

 

Murton is beyond the point of say, Pie, where sitting on the bench is hampering his production or something. With that said, I honestly believe he was recalled to be showcased, and that isnt even happening.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rot on the bench? Man, hyperbole galore here. We are trying to win a division and Murton got called up 3 or 4 days ago. You already have him rotting?

 

There's a school of thought that call-ups should be thrown right into the lineup, and not sit for 3-4 days once they first come up. If there was anything to be gained by putting him in AAA it was to get him consistent playing time, calling him up and having him sit negates that benefit. If Murton is back here to just play once every 3-4 days, there's really no benefit to having him here.

 

Murton is beyond the point of say, Pie, where sitting on the bench is hampering his production or something.

 

I disagree. Major league hitters need to learn on the job and get over certain humps. Murton is definitely still in the stage where he needs to either play every day, or darn near close to it. That is, unless your plan for him is to be just a bench player.

[Tracer Bullet]

Rot on the bench? Man, hyperbole galore here. We are trying to win a division and Murton got called up 3 or 4 days ago. You already have him rotting?

 

There's a school of thought that call-ups should be thrown right into the lineup, and not sit for 3-4 days once they first come up. If there was anything to be gained by putting him in AAA it was to get him consistent playing time, calling him up and having him sit negates that benefit. If Murton is back here to just play once every 3-4 days, there's really no benefit to having him here.

 

Murton is beyond the point of say, Pie, where sitting on the bench is hampering his production or something. With that said, I honestly believe he was recalled to be showcased, and that isnt even happening.

 

I'm not sure you ever get so old that sitting on the bench doesn't hamper your production. How much can you produce while sitting on the bench?

 

If you meant hamper his development, he's 25 and only played 1.5 years in the majors. I agree w/ goony - benching him for 3-4 days at a time is hampering his development.

[DiamondMind]

That is, unless your plan for him is to be just a bench player.

 

To me, its more than obvious that this is in fact the Cubs' current plan for Murton.

[jersey cubs fan]

That is, unless your plan for him is to be just a bench player.

 

To me, its more than obvious that this is in fact the Cubs' current plan for Murton.

 

That is my guess as well, and it's a shame. I think it's a terrible misuse of resources.

[DiamondMind]

That is, unless your plan for him is to be just a bench player.

 

To me, its more than obvious that this is in fact the Cubs' current plan for Murton.

 

That is my guess as well, and it's a shame. I think it's a terrible misuse of resources.

 

Well, as much as I crap on Murton, Im no fan of his handling by the organization. Maybe we can all agree on that at least.

[Peoriaman]

Unfortunately, he didn't help himself tonight at the plate or in the field. Go get 'em tomorrow.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

[Keener98]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

 

well he didnt jump up and rob Rowand of his HR duh

[Drew Doughty]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

 

he overthrew the cut-off man once. on a basehit to right he also sort of hesitated before throwing the ball, but made a good throw and nothing bad came of it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

 

he overthrew the cut-off man once. on a basehit to right he also sort of hesitated before throwing the ball, but made a good throw and nothing bad came of it.

 

I saw both those plays. Theriot was the double cut and he hit him, no one would've thought anything of it had Sutcliffe not babbled on about something he knew nothing about. And like you said, he made a very nice throw on the single to right.

[seanimal]

Yeah, Sutcliff exposed his intelligence on that one. Not only did he claim that Murton missed the cut-off, he also said that if Theriot hadn't been there to catch it something bad would have happened. Nevermind that Derrek Lee was standing behind him.

[abuck1220]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

 

he overthrew the cut-off man once. on a basehit to right he also sort of hesitated before throwing the ball, but made a good throw and nothing bad came of it.

 

wow, i wish he were dead.

[inari]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

 

he overthrew the cut-off man once. on a basehit to right he also sort of hesitated before throwing the ball, but made a good throw and nothing bad came of it.

 

wow, i wish he were dead.

 

Why are you letting him off so easy?

[Tracer Bullet]

I didn't see the entire game, but how did he screw up in the field?

 

he overthrew the cut-off man once. on a basehit to right he also sort of hesitated before throwing the ball, but made a good throw and nothing bad came of it.

 

Are you talking about the play in the 9th when he threw home and Iguchi stopped at third? I didn't seem any hesitation. He may not be lightning fast getting the ball out, but it's not like he double-clutched. And the throw was good.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

His throw in the 9th was excellent- I had the game on mute, and just assumed during the replays the announcers were commenting on what a strong throw it was. Can't believe they were ragging him on that. He isn't the quickest getting it out of his glove but he likely would've nailed Iguchi at the plate.

[Peoriaman]

He did badly miss the cut-off guy, but the double cut saved him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He did badly miss the cut-off guy, but the double cut saved him.

 

Well yeah, that's why he's there. It was a strong throw to Theriot too, so it was probably more effective than if he had hit DeRosa.

[Tracer Bullet]

He did badly miss the cut-off guy, but the double cut saved him.

 

Well yeah, that's why he's there. It was a strong throw to Theriot too, so it was probably more effective than if he had hit DeRosa.

 

Which is the whole point of the double cut-off. If the OF can throw it directly to the 2nd cut-off guy, that's better than throwing it to the first. And usually (though not true here) the SS has a much stronger arm than the 2B, so you'd rather have him get the cut-off and relay it to home, 3rd, etc, than have a 2B with a weaker arm and longer throw have to make that relay. Again, DeRosa has a stronger arm than Theriot, but I don't think you fault Murton for hitting the guy he was probably taught to hit at Iowa b/c our SS happens to have a weak arm.

 

I can't believe there's actually a discussion about whether hitting the 2nd cut off guy was "not helping himself" in the OF. That's ridiculous.

[Peoriaman]

Outfielders are not taught to miss the first cut-off guy. The double cut is there to protect agaisnt bad throws from the outfield or the first cut-off guy missing the throw. The double cut worked, but it is a stretch beyond imagination to pretend that the outfielder is supposed to overthrow the first cut-off guy.

[Derwood]

the "greatest RF in Cubs history" notoriously missed the cut-off guy

[Peoriaman]

Listen, I like Murton. I hope he succeeds. But lets not try to paint everything he does as good. He had a tough game at the plate last night--as did all Cub hitters. He made a poor cut-off throw--that didn't hurt us---that isn't the end of the world. Those who paint everything Matt does as good really hurt their credibility.

 

The same approach was taken by many on Choi and look where he ended up. Let's be realistic--even optimistic-- and hope Matt does well. Let's not go overboard on trying to make him look good.