Ideas about Murton

[MPC]

sutcliffe sounds like he's doing a bad impersonation of tommy chong.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm no proffesional on outfield play but had Murton hit DeRo and not Riot, I think there would be another run, it was a strong accurate throw to the second guy who was closer to the plate than DeRo.

And any diff. in the arm strength between Riot and DeRo is marginal.

 

I know you love Riot, but I think he could actually run with the ball and get it to 1B faster than he can throw it there.

[Skyballer]

I'm no proffesional on outfield play but had Murton hit DeRo and not Riot, I think there would be another run, it was a strong accurate throw to the second guy who was closer to the plate than DeRo.

And any diff. in the arm strength between Riot and DeRo is marginal.

 

I know you love Riot, but I think he could actually run with the ball and get it to 1B faster than he can throw it there.

His arm is at the very least average or better, I'm not saying he's an infield version of Ichiro but DeRo doesn't have a strong arm, more accurate yes but not strong(er).

[woodchip2153]

It's not that important, so I don't want to get in a petty argument. On a ball to the wall in right field like that the second baseman is suppose to run out to right field probably about 25' out from the dirt, the short stop should be backing him up, and the first baseman should be about 5' in front of the mound. Shorter throws mean more accurate and stronger throws. This is how I've always been taught, and I have never seen it done any differently.

 

Yeah, that would work well for little leaguers and high schoolers with weak arms, but that's going to require multiple relay throws which is going to allow any decent runner to score any time.

 

Yeah, that was an error on my part. As TT pointed out the first baseman should follow the runner to second.

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I'm no proffesional on outfield play but had Murton hit DeRo and not Riot, I think there would be another run, it was a strong accurate throw to the second guy who was closer to the plate than DeRo.

And any diff. in the arm strength between Riot and DeRo is marginal.

 

I know you love Riot, but I think he could actually run with the ball and get it to 1B faster than he can throw it there.

His arm is at the very least average or better, I'm not saying he's an infield version of Ichiro but DeRo doesn't have a strong arm, more accurate yes but not strong(er).

 

Theriot's arm is not average for a SS and certainly not better. Might be average for a 2B, but not at SS.

[DiamondMind]

I place the blame of Murton's defensive shortcoming on mental mishaps more than physical. He still seems very unsure of himself, and there's a good chance that's translating to his AB's as well.

 

He seems to be a player whose talents are directly dependent to his confidence. So maybe there is some connection between his playing time and production. Who knows.

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I place the blame of Murton's defensive shortcoming on mental mishaps more than physical. He still seems very unsure of himself, and there's a good chance that's translating to his AB's as well.

 

He seems to be a player whose talents are directly dependent to his confidence. So maybe there is some connection between his playing time and production. Who knows.

 

Which defensive shortcoming are you talking about?

[Peoriaman]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

 

 

exactly

[Peoriaman]

Trust me guys, outfielders are supposed to hit the 1st cut-off man. The second guy is a back-up. Otherwise, why would you send a guy out there is he wasn't supposed to be thrown to?

[Tracer Bullet]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

 

 

exactly

 

I disagree - but regardless, Murton hit the correct cut-off.

[Peoriaman]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

 

 

exactly

 

I disagree - but regardless, Murton hit the correct cut-off.

 

 

Laugh. That is silly.

[Tracer Bullet]

Murton's throw was not bad at all regardless of what the drunk "color" man said last night.

 

Fontenot was way, way too far out in the outfield. If Murton would have hit him it would have been an esay run. Murton threw to the edge of the infield just like an outfielder is taught. The throw probably saved a run there.

 

But go ahead with the nonsense.

 

LOL, wasn't that drunk color guy Sutcliffe?

 

Yes. And for the record, it was DeRosa, not Fontenot. Not that it matters who it was, but I'm busting chops today.

Whoever it was, was out of position.

 

Sutcliffe probably saw the field better, but it looked to me like Murton turned caught sight of whoever was at the end of the infield, whirled and threw. Luckily Theriot was there already. Like I wrote, if he would have hit the cut off, that's a run.

 

I turned on the XM and listened to Corey Provis and Ron on a 15 second delay after about the fourth inning of listening to Suttcliffe name drop and basically provide every cliche known to baseball. He sucks.

 

Since we're bagging on outfielders, how about Pagan with the brain fart? At least he didn't toss it into the bleacerhes.

 

Derosa wasn't out of position. Middle infielders are taught to go out that far to receive a cut off throw. One of the reasons is because the 3rd base coach will probably hold a runner if it's already in the hand of the cut off man.

 

 

exactly

 

I disagree - but regardless, Murton hit the correct cut-off.

 

 

Laugh. That is silly.

 

[wonders if he, like raw, can get away with the "auto a-hole" comment...]

[oldcubsfan]

Peoriaman is right. Murton just play overthrew the cutoff man.

[Peoriaman]

It is not the not the end of the world. He just overthrew the cut-off guy and the back up guy took over. Believe it or not, they don't give the outfielder the choice of what cut-off man to hit. :)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I watched the entire game, and I still have no clue what play this argument is about.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I watched the entire game, and I still have no clue what play this argument is about.

 

I think Howard was up, and hit a double into RF, Iguchi was on the bases and held up at 3rd.

[Peoriaman]

There was a Philly double to right with a runnner on first. Murton played the ball off the wall and overthrew the cut-off guy. The Cubs used a double cut and the second guy caught it and held the runner at third, as the first guy would have. Sut said Murton overthrew the cut-off guy--which he did. Some here think Murton should overthrow the cut-off guy, that the cut-off guy is superfluous. I agree with Sut.

 

 

All that said, it wasn't a huge deal.

Edited July 31, 2007 by Peoriaman

[Fred Hornkohl]

I watched the entire game, and I still have no clue what play this argument is about.

 

TOP OF THE NINTH INNING

 

Dempster in to pitch for the CUBS

Dobbs popped out (foul) to shortstop

Iguchi walked

Iguchi stole second base

Rollins singled to right field , Iguchi to third

Iguchi thrown out trying to score on a wild pitch, 2-1, Rollins to second

Howard struck out swinging

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I watched the entire game, and I still have no clue what play this argument is about.

 

I think Howard was up, and hit a double into RF, Iguchi was on the bases and held up at 3rd.

 

Ah, now I remember. If Sutcliffe says it (I was watching the CSN broadcast), the opposite is usually true.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I watched the entire game, and I still have no clue what play this argument is about.

 

TOP OF THE NINTH INNING

 

Dempster in to pitch for the CUBS

Dobbs popped out (foul) to shortstop

Iguchi walked

Iguchi stole second base

Rollins singled to right field , Iguchi to third

Iguchi thrown out trying to score on a wild pitch, 2-1, Rollins to second

Howard struck out swinging

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

That was the other play that was mentioned a while ago. Murton threw straight through to the plate on that one since it was just a single.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

That was the other play that was mentioned a while ago. Murton threw straight through to the plate on that one since it was just a single.

 

Then this would be the other one......

 

TOP OF THE THIRD INNING

 

Victorino flied out to center field

Iguchi walked

Rollins popped out (foul) to third base

Howard doubled to right field , Iguchi to third

Rowland homered to center field , Iguchi & Howard scored

Burrell walked

Helms flied out to left field

 

3 runs 2 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

[SouthSideRyan]

I watched the entire game, and I still have no clue what play this argument is about.

 

TOP OF THE NINTH INNING

 

Dempster in to pitch for the CUBS

Dobbs popped out (foul) to shortstop

Iguchi walked

Iguchi stole second base

Rollins singled to right field , Iguchi to third

Iguchi thrown out trying to score on a wild pitch, 2-1, Rollins to second

Howard struck out swinging

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

That was the other play that was mentioned a while ago. Murton threw straight through to the plate on that one since it was just a single.

 

He shoudl've thrown it to the guy that was the closest to him rather than overthrowing to the catcher who was backing up the play.

[Tracer Bullet]

There was a Philly double to right with a runnner on first. Murton played the ball off the wall and overthrew the cut-off guy. The Cubs used a double cut and the second guy caught it and held the runner at third, as the first guy would have. Sut said Murton overthrew the cut-off guy--which he did. Some here think Murton should overthrow the cut-off guy, that the cut-off guy is superfluous. I agree with Sut.

 

 

All that said, it wasn't a huge deal.

 

The great part of your posts is that you don't frame the question in a biased manner.

 

Those of us who disagree with Sut and you think Murton threw to the correct cut-off man (the 2nd one). We're not arguing that he should "overthrow the cut-off man." There were 2 cut-off men and Murton made a good throw to the 2nd one.

[Peoriaman]

There was a Philly double to right with a runnner on first. Murton played the ball off the wall and overthrew the cut-off guy. The Cubs used a double cut and the second guy caught it and held the runner at third, as the first guy would have. Sut said Murton overthrew the cut-off guy--which he did. Some here think Murton should overthrow the cut-off guy, that the cut-off guy is superfluous. I agree with Sut.

 

 

All that said, it wasn't a huge deal.

 

The great part of your posts is that you don't frame the question in a biased manner.

 

Those of us who disagree with Sut and you think Murton threw to the correct cut-off man (the 2nd one). We're not arguing that he should "overthrow the cut-off man." There were 2 cut-off men and Murton made a good throw to the 2nd one.

 

 

so the first guy is superfluous? He serves no purpose? I have played and coached baseball for 45 years and this is the first time I ever heard that the outfielder is supposed to intentionally overthrow the first cut-off man. In fact, I am stunned anybody is even proposing this.

 

 

Listen, I like Murton. He overthrew a cut-off guy and the double cut served its purpose. Again, Matt CAN make mistakes. You guys sound silly trying to make it sound like he didn't.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pretty much all of us played a lot of baseball. Many have coached. The double cut in my time has always been should the weaker armed OF not be able to hit the 2nd one. If he can he throws it past and hits the 2nd.

 

If the OF can deliver the throw closer to the plate on a solid throw, why wouldn't you?