Insider: Griffey only wants Chicago or Atlanta

[Backtobanks]

Griffey likes Atl b/c he lives in Orlando in the offseason, IIRC.

 

How about Gallagher, Petrick, and EPatt for Griff and some cash?

 

Me likey this lineup:

 

Soriano

Fontenot

Lee

Griff

ARam

DeRosa

Floyd

Bowen

 

We ought to catch the Brew Crew with that.

 

Noting against your trade idea, but I see no reason to mortage the future for KGJ. If the Cubs are taking on a good portion of the deferred salary they shouldn't have to give up much to get him.

 

I'd be willing to give them their pick of two position prospects or one pitching prospect but they have to take Jones.

 

But truely, I don't think the Cubs should trade for KGJ at all. He's having a good year, but one he's not likely to repeat ever again.

 

The only "bad" years Griffey ever had involved injuries. The only difference in this year is that he's been healthy. As long as he stays healthy, this kind of production is what you expect out f KGJ. As for playing CF, I think he could handle it for the rest of this year and then slide over to RF. Also, split time in CF (KGJ/Pagan) and RF (KGJ/Floyd) for the rest of this year and give Pie the time he needs to develop.

[E.J.]

I'd hope for Dunn over Griffey, especially if he's really going to be cheaper to acquire.

 

Agreed. I'd much rather have Dunn than Griffey, especially since it would probably cost less prospects. Plus Dunn doesn't have the injury history of Griffey. Yeah, he'd be a butcher in RF, but I'd be willing to put up with it. Put Pie in CF full time and you have 2 above average outfielders in LF and CF. We can live with a below-average guy in RF.

[Bruno7481]

The Reds aren't going to give Griffey away. They also are going to have zero interest in one of the Cubs problems, either Jones, Eyre, or Izturis.

 

The Reds will want what any team wants, young prospects. I think any deal the Reds would entertain would have to include some combination of guys like Gallagher, Veal, Huseby, Patterson, Pie, etc.

 

Obviously they will have zero interest in those guys. That's not the point. Teams often take back other team's problems they have zero interest in to fascilitate a trade. There isn't exactly a huge market for Griffey, and if he's truly limiting his potential destinations, Cincy is going to have to be flexible if they are going to make any sort of deal. If they are interested in trading Griffey for prospects, I'm sure they consider trading Griffey for prospects plus a bad contract.

 

And with Jones at least having some power potential, I would think they would entertain the idea of bringing him to GABP.

 

I may be reading the situation wrong, but I don't think the Reds fell that they HAVE to trade Griffey. If they don't see something that works for them, I think the will hold onto him. It isn't like he's demanding a trade or anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

I may be reading the situation wrong, but I don't think the Reds fell that they HAVE to trade Griffey. If they don't see something that works for them, I think the will hold onto him. It isn't like he's demanding a trade or anything.

 

They tried to move him last year. They've been trying to get out of that contract for a while, while at the same time getting some young talent. It is highly unlikely that they will be able to trade Griffey and his contract straight up for good young talent. Something will have to be done with the money, either them picking up part of it, or taking back somebody who makes less, but still a signficant amount.

[cheapseats]

I don't get why Griffey would want to go to Atlanta. They definitely have no where to put him.

 

seriously? he would fit very well in left field. they're using a platoon that's qualified them for 12th in the NL in OPS from LF.

 

Ryan Langerhans and his .283 OPS in 44 at bats brings that number down considerably. Harris and Diaz combine for an OPS that would be about 5th in the NL. The Braves are getting excellent production out of LF for about $1 million.

 

The Braves need a 1B a lot more than they need an OF, and they might have that covered, too, if Salty starts getting more time at first.

[killthegoat06]

Get it done Hendry.

[nilodnayr]

If I'm taking Griffey's salary, I'd want the Reds to take back one of Jones, Izturis, or Eyre to help offset that.

 

I don't like it, but if we trade for Griffey and plan on having Griffey, Pie, and Soriano from right to left, then Murton ought to be added to the deal.

 

I'd try to get him for something less than including Marshall or Hill with Murton. If Griffey is only willing to go to Atlanta or Chicago, then the Reds options are limited.

 

I'm not sure what kind of package I'd make. It would contain Murton and I'd throw a minor league arm in there. On the other hand, I'd be cautious. One only has to beat the Braves offer, and I don't see JS taking on that much of Griffey's contract unless he comes cheap in terms of prospects. Salty, Reyes, or Escobar isn't likely to be part of a deal for KGJ.

 

I'd be hesitant to include Murton in a package for Griffey because we need insurance, should Griffey get injured. The braves won't give up Escobar or Salty for sure, and from quotes it sounds like they are really high on Reyes. They might be getting tired of Davies though and send him. He has a slightly more impressive minor league career than Marshall, but hasn't been able to hit the strike zone and has gotten hammered in 150 ML innings. I'm thinking Davies and Marshall have similar value given the fact that Davies has a bit of a better minor league career and is younger, but has had a bit of a rougher ML experience.

[Banedon]

If I'm taking Griffey's salary, I'd want the Reds to take back one of Jones, Izturis, or Eyre to help offset that.

 

I don't like it, but if we trade for Griffey and plan on having Griffey, Pie, and Soriano from right to left, then Murton ought to be added to the deal.

 

I'd try to get him for something less than including Marshall or Hill with Murton. If Griffey is only willing to go to Atlanta or Chicago, then the Reds options are limited.

 

I'm not sure what kind of package I'd make. It would contain Murton and I'd throw a minor league arm in there. On the other hand, I'd be cautious. One only has to beat the Braves offer, and I don't see JS taking on that much of Griffey's contract unless he comes cheap in terms of prospects. Salty, Reyes, or Escobar isn't likely to be part of a deal for KGJ.

 

I'd be hesitant to include Murton in a package for Griffey because we need insurance, should Griffey get injured. The braves won't give up Escobar or Salty for sure, and from quotes it sounds like they are really high on Reyes. They might be getting tired of Davies though and send him. He has a slightly more impressive minor league career than Marshall, but hasn't been able to hit the strike zone and has gotten hammered in 150 ML innings. I'm thinking Davies and Marshall have similar value given the fact that Davies has a bit of a better minor league career and is younger, but has had a bit of a rougher ML experience.

 

You'd still have Pagan and Floyd...Murton isn't in the majors now, and you aren't giving up any outfielders that are currently in the majors...so if Griffey gets injured, you're not really worse off than you are now.

[NCCubFan]

If I'm taking Griffey's salary, I'd want the Reds to take back one of Jones, Izturis, or Eyre to help offset that.

 

I don't like it, but if we trade for Griffey and plan on having Griffey, Pie, and Soriano from right to left, then Murton ought to be added to the deal.

 

I'd try to get him for something less than including Marshall or Hill with Murton. If Griffey is only willing to go to Atlanta or Chicago, then the Reds options are limited.

 

I'm not sure what kind of package I'd make. It would contain Murton and I'd throw a minor league arm in there. On the other hand, I'd be cautious. One only has to beat the Braves offer, and I don't see JS taking on that much of Griffey's contract unless he comes cheap in terms of prospects. Salty, Reyes, or Escobar isn't likely to be part of a deal for KGJ.

 

I'd be hesitant to include Murton in a package for Griffey because we need insurance, should Griffey get injured. The braves won't give up Escobar or Salty for sure, and from quotes it sounds like they are really high on Reyes. They might be getting tired of Davies though and send him. He has a slightly more impressive minor league career than Marshall, but hasn't been able to hit the strike zone and has gotten hammered in 150 ML innings. I'm thinking Davies and Marshall have similar value given the fact that Davies has a bit of a better minor league career and is younger, but has had a bit of a rougher ML experience.

 

You'd still have Pagan and Floyd...Murton isn't in the majors now, and you aren't giving up any outfielders that are currently in the majors...so if Griffey gets injured, you're not really worse off than you are now.

Plus Derosa and Theriot can play in the outfield too. There's no shortage of possibilities.

[inari]

I've got a feeling Murton would have to be a part of this deal as well.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've got a feeling Murton would have to be a part of this deal as well.

 

They might as well trade him for something, since they aren't going to play him.

[USSoccer]

I've got a feeling Murton would have to be a part of this deal as well.

 

They might as well trade him for something, since they aren't going to play him.

 

At least they'd be dealing him for offensive help. I have fears of him being dealt for some middle reliever.

[soapy]

i wonder if the reds would have any interest in dempster as a starter or reliever.

 

i agree that Murton probably has to be part of the deal and i'd be okay with that. i'd like to keep him for insurance, but you'd still have Floyd and DeRosa capable of playing RF. i wouldn't put Pie in the deal though. in fact, if they acquire Griffey or Dunn, they should start Pie in CF every day moving forward, imo.

[Exile on Waveland]

i wonder if the reds would have any interest in dempster as a starter or reliever.

 

i agree that Murton probably has to be part of the deal and i'd be okay with that. i'd like to keep him for insurance, but you'd still have Floyd and DeRosa capable of playing RF. i wouldn't put Pie in the deal though. in fact, if they acquire Griffey or Dunn, they should start Pie in CF every day moving forward, imo.

 

I agree, I'd be willing to include Murton for Griffey, Jr. I also would then play Pie everyday. With the added offense, it'd be much easier to absorb his subpar production. Also, if they dealt for Dunn, Pie would be a necessity in CF to cover for Dunn's horrid defense.

[moorecg]

i wonder if the reds would have any interest in dempster as a starter or reliever.

 

i agree that Murton probably has to be part of the deal and i'd be okay with that. i'd like to keep him for insurance, but you'd still have Floyd and DeRosa capable of playing RF. i wouldn't put Pie in the deal though. in fact, if they acquire Griffey or Dunn, they should start Pie in CF every day moving forward, imo.

 

Soriano, Pie, Griffey....

 

That's a mighty fine defensive outfield.

[Soul]

i wonder if the reds would have any interest in dempster as a starter or reliever.

 

i agree that Murton probably has to be part of the deal and i'd be okay with that. i'd like to keep him for insurance, but you'd still have Floyd and DeRosa capable of playing RF. i wouldn't put Pie in the deal though. in fact, if they acquire Griffey or Dunn, they should start Pie in CF every day moving forward, imo.

 

Soriano, Pie, Griffey....

 

That's a mighty fine defensive outfield.

 

I'd probably go for that.

[cheapseats]

i wonder if the reds would have any interest in dempster as a starter or reliever.

 

i agree that Murton probably has to be part of the deal and i'd be okay with that. i'd like to keep him for insurance, but you'd still have Floyd and DeRosa capable of playing RF. i wouldn't put Pie in the deal though. in fact, if they acquire Griffey or Dunn, they should start Pie in CF every day moving forward, imo.

 

Soriano, Pie, Griffey....

 

That's a mighty fine defensive outfield.

 

At this point in his career, Griffey isn't a whole lot more mobile than Floyd. He's been one of the worst defensive RF's this season.

 

I'd still want him, though.

[nilodnayr]

If I'm taking Griffey's salary, I'd want the Reds to take back one of Jones, Izturis, or Eyre to help offset that.

 

I don't like it, but if we trade for Griffey and plan on having Griffey, Pie, and Soriano from right to left, then Murton ought to be added to the deal.

 

I'd try to get him for something less than including Marshall or Hill with Murton. If Griffey is only willing to go to Atlanta or Chicago, then the Reds options are limited.

 

I'm not sure what kind of package I'd make. It would contain Murton and I'd throw a minor league arm in there. On the other hand, I'd be cautious. One only has to beat the Braves offer, and I don't see JS taking on that much of Griffey's contract unless he comes cheap in terms of prospects. Salty, Reyes, or Escobar isn't likely to be part of a deal for KGJ.

 

I'd be hesitant to include Murton in a package for Griffey because we need insurance, should Griffey get injured. The braves won't give up Escobar or Salty for sure, and from quotes it sounds like they are really high on Reyes. They might be getting tired of Davies though and send him. He has a slightly more impressive minor league career than Marshall, but hasn't been able to hit the strike zone and has gotten hammered in 150 ML innings. I'm thinking Davies and Marshall have similar value given the fact that Davies has a bit of a better minor league career and is younger, but has had a bit of a rougher ML experience.

 

You'd still have Pagan and Floyd...Murton isn't in the majors now, and you aren't giving up any outfielders that are currently in the majors...so if Griffey gets injured, you're not really worse off than you are now.

Plus Derosa and Theriot can play in the outfield too. There's no shortage of possibilities.

 

Just because Murton isnt in the majors now doesnt mean hes not the more valuable player to the cubs. And I'm not only thinking this year. Pagan is not an acceptable full time RF and I absolutely do not want to take the chance that Floyd gets enough PAs for Floyds option to kick in. While there are no shortage of possibilities to temporarily fill in, there is a shortage of guys who can play it in a full time roll should Griffey go down for 2/3rds of a season.

[RegulusBlue]

I'd have to take a break from the cubs for a month or so if we dealt Murton. He has been such a bright spot recently (last couple of years), and trading him for Griffey is just a waste IMO. I don't dislike him, but he'll be hurt immediately. Any trade for Griffey will be very costly and very disappointing.

 

If we got Dunn out of it, and put him on a 4year deal right away, I could live with that more easily. I just have nightmares of trading the Murt to Atlanta or Cincy, and watching him become a .380 OBP guy with decent pop at a 500-900K salary.

 

I'm very nervous with Hendry at the helm this year. He's like a drunk walrus.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Get Griffey. I want my Cubs Griffey jersey shirt

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd prefer a Cubs Dunn jersey shirt.

[E.J.]

I'd prefer a Cubs Dunn jersey shirt.

 

I'd like a Cubs Arod Jersey.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd prefer a Cubs Dunn jersey shirt.

 

I'd like a Cubs Arod Jersey.

 

I'd take that one too.

[DurbanJer]

I'd prefer a Cubs Dunn jersey shirt.

 

I'd like a Cubs Arod Jersey.

 

I'd take that one too.

 

How 'bout both! :twisted:

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

i wonder if the reds would have any interest in dempster as a starter or reliever.

 

i agree that Murton probably has to be part of the deal and i'd be okay with that. i'd like to keep him for insurance, but you'd still have Floyd and DeRosa capable of playing RF. i wouldn't put Pie in the deal though. in fact, if they acquire Griffey or Dunn, they should start Pie in CF every day moving forward, imo.

 

Soriano, Pie, Griffey....

 

That's a mighty fine defensive outfield.

 

At this point in his career, Griffey isn't a whole lot more mobile than Floyd. He's been one of the worst defensive RF's this season.

 

I'd still want him, though.

he threw out a laboring arod in the all star game...so he should be good for throwin el caballo out once in a while