Insider: Griffey only wants Chicago or Atlanta

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't get why Griffey would want to go to Atlanta. They definitely have no where to put him.

 

Griffey wants to play close to home in Orlando. Furthermore, Atlanta holds ST in Orlando, so if he were a Brave he'd get another 6 weeks at home before the season.

 

I'm guessing the Cubs has something to do with Lou since Chicago is no where near Orlando.

[davearm]

Why aren't people putting Murton into these packages?

 

Acquiring yet another OF makes the guy that much more expendable, so we might as well use him to pay part of the tab for KGJ.

 

Marshall + Murton + Jones.

 

The Reds can then deal Dunn, play Murton LF and Jones RF this year and next, and have Jay Bruce take over for Jones in time. That leaves them with Murton - Hamilton - Bruce in the longterm.

[davearm]

what part of we are not taking on more salary don't you understand?

Even if this is true, the large chunk of Griffey's salary that is deferred might make for an exception.

 

The payroll impact this year and next would be close to zero if Jones goes back to the Reds.

[JeffH]

I cannot imagine any scenario under which the Reds trade Griffey before he hits HR #600.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If I'm taking Griffey's salary, I'd want the Reds to take back one of Jones, Izturis, or Eyre to help offset that.

 

I don't like it, but if we trade for Griffey and plan on having Griffey, Pie, and Soriano from right to left, then Murton ought to be added to the deal.

 

I'd try to get him for something less than including Marshall or Hill with Murton. If Griffey is only willing to go to Atlanta or Chicago, then the Reds options are limited.

 

I'm not sure what kind of package I'd make. It would contain Murton and I'd throw a minor league arm in there. On the other hand, I'd be cautious. One only has to beat the Braves offer, and I don't see JS taking on that much of Griffey's contract unless he comes cheap in terms of prospects. Salty, Reyes, or Escobar isn't likely to be part of a deal for KGJ.

[jersey cubs fan]

Griffey likes Atl b/c he lives in Orlando in the offseason, IIRC.

 

How about Gallagher, Petrick, and EPatt for Griff and some cash?

 

Me likey this lineup:

 

Soriano

Fontenot

Lee

Griff

ARam

DeRosa

Floyd

Bowen

 

We ought to catch the Brew Crew with that.

 

Noting against your trade idea, but I see no reason to mortage the future for KGJ. If the Cubs are taking on a good portion of the deferred salary they shouldn't have to give up much to get him.

 

I'd be willing to give them their pick of two position prospects or one pitching prospect but they have to take Jones.

 

But truely, I don't think the Cubs should trade for KGJ at all. He's having a good year, but one he's not likely to repeat ever again.

 

I see your point, but are we really mtging the future by trading Gallagher, Petrick and EPatt? The deal doesn't include Colvin, Veal, etc.

 

Yeah, I don't think that trade mortgages the future at all. They are depth prospects, not top ones. EPatt is nice and all, but the Cubs don't seem interested in having him be the 2B of the future. I'd consider it, depending on how the finances work. Griffey isn't going to be paid a ton in 2008. If they took back Jones in the deal it could be pretty interesting.

 

Griffey is an elite talent. It's not unreasonable to expect him to maintain these levels. I think a big part of keeping him healthy and productive is moving him out of CF. Get him comfortable in a corner and let him play without killing himself in the field. We're talking about a guy whose downside is basically what Jones did last year in a good year for him. Griffey has regularly had good plate discipline, with and IsoD over 100 right now and in the 80's for his career. He's got power, which is something that older players are often capable of maintaining. I think he's a legit gamble to produce for the next year and a half.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why would we create a hole in the rotation to acquire a guy who is on the downside of his career, has a staggering injury history, is getting paid a crapload of money, and is confined to the corner OF? Don't get me wrong, Griffey would be a smart addition to the roster, but by dealing Marshall for him you're just changing what your problem is. It's not worth it to create a need for another starter when you're only upgrading the power from RF(especially with all the other negative circumstances around Griffey).

[jersey cubs fan]

Why would we create a hole in the rotation to acquire a guy who is on the downside of his career, has a staggering injury history, is getting paid a crapload of money, and is confined to the corner OF? Don't get me wrong, Griffey would be a smart addition to the roster, but by dealing Marshall for him you're just changing what your problem is. It's not worth it to create a need for another starter when you're only upgrading the power from RF(especially with all the other negative circumstances around Griffey).

 

power and OBP.

 

As for adding Marshall, I guess the question is whether you think he's likely to maintain his current pace. As a guy with his own injury history and no real record of prolonged dominance at any level, perhaps his value is at its highest right now. Is he really irreplacable for the Cubs? I don't think so. I guess you could call it opening a hole, but I think there are a could guys that could step in and provide similar effectiveness. Probably not the same level of performance that Marshall has been at year-to-date, but the level of performance we might be getting from him going forward.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why would we create a hole in the rotation to acquire a guy who is on the downside of his career, has a staggering injury history, is getting paid a crapload of money, and is confined to the corner OF? Don't get me wrong, Griffey would be a smart addition to the roster, but by dealing Marshall for him you're just changing what your problem is. It's not worth it to create a need for another starter when you're only upgrading the power from RF(especially with all the other negative circumstances around Griffey).

 

power and OBP.

 

As for adding Marshall, I guess the question is whether you think he's likely to maintain his current pace. As a guy with his own injury history and no real record of prolonged dominance at any level, perhaps his value is at its highest right now. Is he really irreplacable for the Cubs? I don't think so. I guess you could call it opening a hole, but I think there are a could guys that could step in and provide similar effectiveness. Probably not the same level of performance that Marshall has been at year-to-date, but the level of performance we might be getting from him going forward.

 

Griffey's getting on base a bit more often than Floyd/DeRosa, but not significantly so. Admittedly Griffey had a higher OBP than I thought.

 

As for Marshall, I don't see anyone who could come in and replace what he will potentially give. Guzman and Mateo aren't healthy and have questions about effectiveness even if they are. Gallagher has about 10 AAA innings and has gotten rocked in his brief MLB time. Veal is struggling at AA, Atkins isn't far enough along yet, and no one wants to see Walrond or Wade Miller again. I don't mind the idea of selling high with Marshall, but who do you think steps in and produces as well as Marshall will produce in the second half?

[jersey cubs fan]

Griffey's getting on base a bit more often than Floyd/DeRosa, but not significantly so. Admittedly Griffey had a higher OBP than I thought.

 

 

The Cubs are getting this line out of RF: .284/.354/.355

 

Griffey provides a tremendous improvement over that. Floyd has been better than that overall, but he's already been banged up in multiple body parts and can't be counted on for much. DeRosa's RF numbers are better than his overall numbers, but counting on that fluke would be absurd. Griffey in RF for 80-90% of the remaining games, with DeRosa subbing in here and there would provide far greater production than what they are getting, both in terms of OBP and SLG.

 

It's not ideal. But so freaking what. Unless the Cubs get ARod for short, Posada for catcher or Ichiro for center, they aren't getting the ideal replacement anywhere else. Might as well do what they can to improve where possible. As long as they aren't giving up the farm for that improvement I'm all for it.

 

If they want to give up the farm for Cabrera to play right, then I'd be fine with it.

[A New Era]

I wouldn't be entirely against giving up Marshall because he has lost some effectiveness lately. So has Hill come to think of it. If we have any righties who are doing well in AAA or AA I would like to see that happen so we can go to 3 righties and 2 lefties.

 

Is there any RHP doing well in AA or AAA right now that anyone can think of? If that's the case, it might make this trade more likely to happen.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Griffey's getting on base a bit more often than Floyd/DeRosa, but not significantly so. Admittedly Griffey had a higher OBP than I thought.

 

 

The Cubs are getting this line out of RF: .284/.354/.355

 

Griffey provides a tremendous improvement over that. Floyd has been better than that overall, but he's already been banged up in multiple body parts and can't be counted on for much. DeRosa's RF numbers are better than his overall numbers, but counting on that fluke would be absurd. Griffey in RF for 80-90% of the remaining games, with DeRosa subbing in here and there would provide far greater production than what they are getting, both in terms of OBP and SLG.

 

It's not ideal. But so freaking what. Unless the Cubs get ARod for short, Posada for catcher or Ichiro for center, they aren't getting the ideal replacement anywhere else. Might as well do what they can to improve where possible. As long as they aren't giving up the farm for that improvement I'm all for it.

 

If they want to give up the farm for Cabrera to play right, then I'd be fine with it.

 

Again, I'm fine with adding Griffey, I know he'd help us out. My point is that dealing Marshall(and Pie on top of that) just changes what the problem is(that I addressed in the part of my post you cut out).

 

Also, if we're going to talk about Floyd being hurt or DeRosa's performance being fluky, then Griffey's injury history has to be at least as big a red flag, especially with the proposed talent we'd be giving up.

[TMan92]

I wouldn't be entirely against giving up Marshall because he has lost some effectiveness lately. So has Hill come to think of it. If we have any righties who are doing well in AAA or AA I would like to see that happen so we can go to 3 righties and 2 lefties.

 

Is there any RHP doing well in AA or AAA right now that anyone can think of? If that's the case, it might make this trade more likely to happen.

 

Prior will be back next year.....

 

duck

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Gammons says Griffey believes he will be traded....also adds that Dunn's value isn't as high as it should be.

 

 

Link.

 

Ken Griffey Jr. believes he will be traded before the Aug. 31 deadline. He can veto any trade, per his 10-and-five rights (10 years in the majors, five with the same team), but he says, "logically, they (the Reds) are going to get a better deal now than at the end of the season." Griffey also realizes that -- with Adam Dunn able to become a free agent at the end of the season if he's traded -- Dunn's market value is not what it could or should be.

[CubinNY]

Adam Dunn

-------------

Ken Griffey, Jr

 

Move Soriano to RF (where he should be anyway) and give them Murton and some pitching for Dunn.

 

I would pee my pants.

[JWCUB]

Gammons says Griffey believes he will be traded....also adds that Dunn's value isn't as high as it should be.

 

 

Link.

 

Ken Griffey Jr. believes he will be traded before the Aug. 31 deadline. He can veto any trade, per his 10-and-five rights (10 years in the majors, five with the same team), but he says, "logically, they (the Reds) are going to get a better deal now than at the end of the season." Griffey also realizes that -- with Adam Dunn able to become a free agent at the end of the season if he's traded -- Dunn's market value is not what it could or should be.

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Could it be? Could we really get Jr.? We did get Nomar. We shall see.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd hope for Dunn over Griffey, especially if he's really going to be cheaper to acquire.

[nilodnayr]

Why would we create a hole in the rotation to acquire a guy who is on the downside of his career, has a staggering injury history, is getting paid a crapload of money, and is confined to the corner OF? Don't get me wrong, Griffey would be a smart addition to the roster, but by dealing Marshall for him you're just changing what your problem is. It's not worth it to create a need for another starter when you're only upgrading the power from RF(especially with all the other negative circumstances around Griffey).

 

power and OBP.

 

As for adding Marshall, I guess the question is whether you think he's likely to maintain his current pace. As a guy with his own injury history and no real record of prolonged dominance at any level, perhaps his value is at its highest right now. Is he really irreplacable for the Cubs? I don't think so. I guess you could call it opening a hole, but I think there are a could guys that could step in and provide similar effectiveness. Probably not the same level of performance that Marshall has been at year-to-date, but the level of performance we might be getting from him going forward.

 

Griffey's getting on base a bit more often than Floyd/DeRosa, but not significantly so. Admittedly Griffey had a higher OBP than I thought.

 

As for Marshall, I don't see anyone who could come in and replace what he will potentially give. Guzman and Mateo aren't healthy and have questions about effectiveness even if they are. Gallagher has about 10 AAA innings and has gotten rocked in his brief MLB time. Veal is struggling at AA, Atkins isn't far enough along yet, and no one wants to see Walrond or Wade Miller again. I don't mind the idea of selling high with Marshall, but who do you think steps in and produces as well as Marshall will produce in the second half?

 

Not that I'm advocating this, but based on quotes and actions by the cubs, I'm thinking they believe the answer to your question is Dempster.

[wekse]

I'd hope for Dunn over Griffey, especially if he's really going to be cheaper to acquire.

 

i'd need a clean pair of shorts if we acquired dunn....i'd also order my new dunn jersey that day.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd hope for Dunn over Griffey, especially if he's really going to be cheaper to acquire.

 

cheaper in talent or $$?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd hope for Dunn over Griffey, especially if he's really going to be cheaper to acquire.

 

cheaper in talent or $$?

 

According to Gammons it seems like both.

 

The only issue is that Dunn would be a rental.

 

I'd still take Dunn.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd hope for Dunn over Griffey, especially if he's really going to be cheaper to acquire.

 

i'd need a clean pair of shorts if we acquired dunn....i'd also order my new dunn jersey that day.

 

+1

[Bruno7481]

The Reds aren't going to give Griffey away. They also are going to have zero interest in one of the Cubs problems, either Jones, Eyre, or Izturis.

 

The Reds will want what any team wants, young prospects. I think any deal the Reds would entertain would have to include some combination of guys like Gallagher, Veal, Huseby, Patterson, Pie, etc.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think any deal with the Reds will start with a ML-ready starting pitcher

[jersey cubs fan]

The Reds aren't going to give Griffey away. They also are going to have zero interest in one of the Cubs problems, either Jones, Eyre, or Izturis.

 

The Reds will want what any team wants, young prospects. I think any deal the Reds would entertain would have to include some combination of guys like Gallagher, Veal, Huseby, Patterson, Pie, etc.

 

Obviously they will have zero interest in those guys. That's not the point. Teams often take back other team's problems they have zero interest in to fascilitate a trade. There isn't exactly a huge market for Griffey, and if he's truly limiting his potential destinations, Cincy is going to have to be flexible if they are going to make any sort of deal. If they are interested in trading Griffey for prospects, I'm sure they consider trading Griffey for prospects plus a bad contract.

 

And with Jones at least having some power potential, I would think they would entertain the idea of bringing him to GABP.

Edited July 12, 2007 by jersey cubs fan