More Murton?

[CUBZ99]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

[Geech]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

 

What a completely idiotic post. Being a playoff contender does not hinge on a single corner OF spot.

[Warpticon]

Sweet, the most overrated "prospect" to come out of the Cubs system since Bobby Hill is going to get more at bats. World Series, here we come.

 

Except that Murton has been much, much more productive in his short MLB career than Hill ever dreamed of being.

[Warpticon]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

 

Haha, didn't the Angels win with Erstad playing first? Didn't the Giants play against them with all sorts of placeholders in the lineup? Doesn't Kevin Millar have a ring? I could go on and on.

[seanimal]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

 

Haha, didn't the Angels win with Erstad playing first? Didn't the Giants play against them with all sorts of placeholders in the lineup? Doesn't Kevin Millar have a ring? I could go on and on.

 

Don't bother... silly, ignorant perceptions are blind to reason and, *gasp*, displayable evidence. They probably just shrug off anything you say anyway.

[seanimal]

I have no problem with seeing Murton play more. I do think it is interesting that everyone always says that Murton's numbers may be down because he hardly plays, but never mentions that Floyd's numbers may also be down for the same reason when Murton has played more than Floyd has. I think both of them have a reason for that to be the case (Murton pressing for playing time, and Floyd has never had this many at-bats taken away from him). At this point in time, Floyd has been more successful at being a part-time player than Murton has, but neither has been good (.754 OPS for Floyd, .698 for Murton). Right now, I don't really mind who plays, but if the team continues to spiral, Murton should start getting more at-bats because he is at least a possibility for the future.

 

Very true. We have good reason to believe that lack of regular, everyday-ish playing time is having a negative impact on their offensive output. All the more reason to hate Jim Hendry for this disaster he has created.

[cubfan1955]

I'd rather not see Jones, Murton, Pagan, Ward, DeRosa, Theriot, or Floyd in the Cubs outfield. Soriano has to be there since we're paying him eleventy billion dollars a year. It's Pie time. Bring him up and stick him out there. For our 3rd outfielder they should just pick random people out of the stands each inning. I'm pretty sure our defense would improve over what we've seen. If we can't do that I guess play Murton and bat him 2nd...and only 2nd. And for Gods sake, move him back to LF Lou!!!

[CUBZ99]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

 

What a completely idiotic post. Being a playoff contender does not hinge on a single corner OF spot.

 

Its exactly that type of loser attitude that keeps the Cubs from competing under the current regime. You are right Murton, alone, doesn't stop the Cubs from being a playoff contender, but the Cubs have shown a pattern of putting other similar players to Murton in the lineup on a daily basis.

 

Murton is the type of young player that should get playing time on low budget team that can't afford to do any better. He is not an acceptable starter on a team with a $115M budget.

[BigbadB]

If you want to get right down to it, this WHOLE TEAM sucks.

 

Why bother isolating anyone in particular?

 

Need some "facts"?

 

The freaking Washington Nationals have more wins than the Chicago Cubs right now. The $20m Florida Marlins are better than the Cubs. The San Francisco Giants are a better team than the Cubs right now. Have you seen their line up? That team can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Tampa Bay is a better team than the Cubs when you consider the divisions they play in. Kansas City is sneaking up on the Cubs.

 

The whole team sucks. Something needs to be changed.

[CUBZ99]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

 

Haha, didn't the Angels win with Erstad playing first? Didn't the Giants play against them with all sorts of placeholders in the lineup? Doesn't Kevin Millar have a ring? I could go on and on.

 

Don't bother... silly, ignorant perceptions are blind to reason and, *gasp*, displayable evidence. They probably just shrug off anything you say anyway.

 

Just like displayable evidence that lack of regular playing time has an effect on a player's performance? Murton gets a pass by many, simply because he is a likeable guy.

 

I laid out some displayable facts as to why Murton shouldn't be starting for the Cubs.

 

1. Makes too many mental mistakes

2. Terrible defender

3. No Power

 

You choose to argue about my statement about playing on a playoff caliber team and ignore the rest.

 

Just because bad players have played a role on a playoff team in the past doesn't make it acceptable to be complacent with the current starting lineup.

[CUBZ99]

If you want to get right down to it, this WHOLE TEAM sucks.

 

Why bother isolating anyone in particular?

 

Need some "facts"?

 

The freaking Washington Nationals have more wins than the Chicago Cubs right now. The $20m Florida Marlins are better than the Cubs. The San Francisco Giants are a better team than the Cubs right now. Have you seen their line up? That team can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Tampa Bay is a better team than the Cubs when you consider the divisions they play in. Kansas City is sneaking up on the Cubs.

 

The whole team sucks. Something needs to be changed.

 

Amen. There is plenty of blame to pass around.

[Fred Hornkohl]

If you want to get right down to it, this WHOLE TEAM sucks.

 

Why bother isolating anyone in particular?

 

Need some "facts"?

 

The freaking Washington Nationals have more wins than the Chicago Cubs right now. The $20m Florida Marlins are better than the Cubs. The San Francisco Giants are a better team than the Cubs right now. Have you seen their line up? That team can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Tampa Bay is a better team than the Cubs when you consider the divisions they play in. Kansas City is sneaking up on the Cubs.

 

The whole team sucks. Something needs to be changed.

 

Team             W       L       Pct      GB
Kansas City     20      35     0.364     ---
Texas           20      35     0.364     ---
Cincinnati      22      34     0.393     1.5
Houston         22      32     0.407     2.5
Washington      23      32     0.418     3.0
Tampa Bay       22      30     0.423     3.5
CUBS            22      30     0.423     3.5

 

$100 million just don't go as far as it used to, eh?

[YearofDaCubs]

If you want to get right down to it, this WHOLE TEAM sucks.

 

Why bother isolating anyone in particular?

 

Need some "facts"?

 

The freaking Washington Nationals have more wins than the Chicago Cubs right now. The $20m Florida Marlins are better than the Cubs. The San Francisco Giants are a better team than the Cubs right now. Have you seen their line up? That team can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Tampa Bay is a better team than the Cubs when you consider the divisions they play in. Kansas City is sneaking up on the Cubs.

 

The whole team sucks. Something needs to be changed.

 

Team             W       L       Pct      GB
Kansas City     20      35     0.364     ---
Texas           20      35     0.364     ---
Cincinnati      22      34     0.393     1.5
Houston         22      32     0.407     2.5
Washington      23      32     0.418     3.0
Tampa Bay       22      30     0.423     3.5
CUBS            22      30     0.423     3.5

 

$100 million just don't go as far as it used to, eh?

100m can go very far when used properly. Jimbo just isn't a good GM, he's currently one of the worst and can't construct a team to save his own job. The fact that he is still here is just amazing. He would be long gone if this organization wasn't so incompetent.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

$100 million just don't go as far as it used to, eh?

 

100m can go very far when used properly. Jimbo just isn't a good GM, he's currently one of the worst and can't construct a team to save his own job. The fact that he is still here is just amazing. He would be long gone if this organization wasn't so incompetent.

 

I really want to thank you for clearing that up for me. I really was wondering why we get so little return for our investment, you know.

[/sarcasm]

[YearofDaCubs]

 

$100 million just don't go as far as it used to, eh?

 

100m can go very far when used properly. Jimbo just isn't a good GM, he's currently one of the worst and can't construct a team to save his own job. The fact that he is still here is just amazing. He would be long gone if this organization wasn't so incompetent.

 

I really want to thank you for clearing that up for me. I really was wondering why we get so little return for our investment, you know.

[/sarcasm]

You're welcome.

[Warpticon]

Murton is not a starting OF on a playoff caliber team. He makes way too many mistakes, can't play defense and can't hit for power.

 

Haha, didn't the Angels win with Erstad playing first? Didn't the Giants play against them with all sorts of placeholders in the lineup? Doesn't Kevin Millar have a ring? I could go on and on.

 

Don't bother... silly, ignorant perceptions are blind to reason and, *gasp*, displayable evidence. They probably just shrug off anything you say anyway.

 

Just like displayable evidence that lack of regular playing time has an effect on a player's performance? Murton gets a pass by many, simply because he is a likeable guy.

 

I laid out some displayable facts as to why Murton shouldn't be starting for the Cubs.

 

1. Makes too many mental mistakes

2. Terrible defender

3. No Power

 

You choose to argue about my statement about playing on a playoff caliber team and ignore the rest.

 

Just because bad players have played a role on a playoff team in the past doesn't make it acceptable to be complacent with the current starting lineup.

 

No, but it does make what you stated absolutely false, and your continued defense of that statement ludicrous to the point of hilarity. Also, you have a very interesting definiton of "facts."

[seanimal]

Just like displayable evidence that lack of regular playing time has an effect on a player's performance?

 

Jeremy Giambi effect. Google it.

 

Murton gets a pass by many, simply because he is a likeable guy.

 

What? Did you read the other posts made about Matt Murton or again, is this just based on your 'perception'?

 

I laid out some displayable facts as to why Murton shouldn't be starting for the Cubs.

 

1. Makes too many mental mistakes

2. Terrible defender

3. No Power

 

You do realize that these are not 'facts', right? These are perceptions, abstracts that you have created in your mind that really have little evidence to support them beyond your insistence that they do, in fact, exist. Next you're going to tell me that he doesn't have 'intangibles', or he isn't 'clutch'.

 

No one is saying that Matt Murton is an MVP or a season saver. All we're saying is that he's a pretty decent ballplayer that when given regular playing time should perform as well as anybody else, and probably better, when doing so in left field.

[Amazing_Grace]

If you want to get right down to it, this WHOLE TEAM sucks.

 

Why bother isolating anyone in particular?

 

Need some "facts"?

 

The freaking Washington Nationals have more wins than the Chicago Cubs right now. The $20m Florida Marlins are better than the Cubs. The San Francisco Giants are a better team than the Cubs right now. Have you seen their line up? That team can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Tampa Bay is a better team than the Cubs when you consider the divisions they play in. Kansas City is sneaking up on the Cubs.

 

The whole team sucks. Something needs to be changed.

 

I think the GM is what needs to be changed. The 2007 Cubs may very well end up being the worst 100M dollar team ever, and THIS time, Hendry can't fall back on his tired "injuries" excuse. We've had everyone healthy that we expected to have all season for the most part, and we still stink. If there's anyone out there that still wants to defend Hendry after this season, I'll be shocked.

[JeffH]

If there's anyone out there that still wants to defend Hendry after this season, I'll be shocked.

 

Get ready to be shocked.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Well, Z has been pitching injured. And now Barrett is injured.

[Elrhino]

I apologize for questioning the undeniable greatness of Matt Murton. I realize that just the mere hint of skepticism means I'm nothing more than a neanderthal who hasn't the most rudimentary understanding of baseball (and evidently neither does the guys who work at BA, since they've never listed him as anything but a Tier 2 prospect.). I now know that some 35 year old virigin in his mother's basement came up with a meaningless formula and posted it on BP with very little peer review and gave it a generic a "(obscure playe) effect" moniker, which obviously makes it a law of nature. Clearly, Murton would be hitting at 120 OPS+ if not for old farts like Lou Penella.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to return to drawing pictures on my cave wall with deer antlers as my writing utensil. What do I know? I'm one of those primitive, backward thinking minds that thought Derrick Lee for Hee Seop Choi was a steal for the Cubs.

[RichHillIsABeast]

I apologize for questioning the undeniable greatness of Matt Murton. I realize that just the mere hint of skepticism means I'm nothing more than a neanderthal who hasn't the most rudimentary understanding of baseball (and evidently neither does the guys who work at BA, since they've never listed him as anything but a Tier 2 prospect.). I now know that some 35 year old virigin in his mother's basement came up with a meaningless formula and posted it on BP with very little peer review and gave it a generic a "(obscure playe) effect" moniker, which obviously makes it a law of nature. Clearly, Murton would be hitting at 120 OPS+ if not for old farts like Lou Penella.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to return to drawing pictures on my cave wall with deer antlers as my writing utensil. What do I know? I'm one of those primitive, backward thinking minds that thought Derrick Lee for Hee Seop Choi was a steal for the Cubs.

 

Prepare your god for blood.

 

Heathen.

 

* Deadwood reference

[sethuel1]

I apologize for questioning the undeniable greatness of Matt Murton. I realize that just the mere hint of skepticism means I'm nothing more than a neanderthal who hasn't the most rudimentary understanding of baseball (and evidently neither does the guys who work at BA, since they've never listed him as anything but a Tier 2 prospect.). I now know that some 35 year old virigin in his mother's basement came up with a meaningless formula and posted it on BP with very little peer review and gave it a generic a "(obscure playe) effect" moniker, which obviously makes it a law of nature. Clearly, Murton would be hitting at 120 OPS+ if not for old farts like Lou Penella.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to return to drawing pictures on my cave wall with deer antlers as my writing utensil. What do I know? I'm one of those primitive, backward thinking minds that thought Derrick Lee for Hee Seop Choi was a steal for the Cubs.

this is the most valid argument i have ever seen.

[abuck1220]

If there's anyone out there that still wants to defend Hendry after this season, I'll be shocked.

 

Get ready to be shocked.

 

what's it like in this imaginary world you live in where you're the only one who thinks the cubs suck and everyone loooooves hendry?

[Keener98]

I apologize for questioning the undeniable greatness of Matt Murton. I realize that just the mere hint of skepticism means I'm nothing more than a neanderthal who hasn't the most rudimentary understanding of baseball (and evidently neither does the guys who work at BA, since they've never listed him as anything but a Tier 2 prospect.). I now know that some 35 year old virigin in his mother's basement came up with a meaningless formula and posted it on BP with very little peer review and gave it a generic a "(obscure playe) effect" moniker, which obviously makes it a law of nature. Clearly, Murton would be hitting at 120 OPS+ if not for old farts like Lou Penella.

 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to return to drawing pictures on my cave wall with deer antlers as my writing utensil. What do I know? I'm one of those primitive, backward thinking minds that thought Derrick Lee for Hee Seop Choi was a steal for the Cubs.

 

Well if this isnt the biggest load of crap Ive ever seen on this site I dont know what is