THE Fight

[jersey cubs fan]

Thanks OleMissCub it works now.

 

What the hell got into Zambrano, Barrett just looks like he's trying to calm him down and explain what's going on and Z just swings at him. Trade his ass.

 

Look again. Barrett shoved him first. Z is pushed back and then joins in the fight. It's pretty clear.

 

You must be watching another clip, because it was clear Z swung first.

 

Barrett definetly "stepped up", but Z swung first.

 

Look at Z's head when Barrett steps forward. The only reason people don't think he started it is because you can't see his front. on frame 11 Z's head is back. He is clearly shoved and then lunges.

 

Z started the verbal stupidity, but Barrett made first contact.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm embarrassed to say that I follow this team. The embarrassment ends today.

 

See ya.

[Chocolate Milk]

Sounds like Z went back into the clubhouse and was tearing it up.

[Abe Frohman]

It reminds me a lot of this fight....

 

[OleMissCub]

Ya I think Barrett shoved him first, but it looked like Z was almost expecting it given his reaction time.

[10man]

Chances are good Lou might have told both Zambrano and Barrett to leave.

I wish Lou would tell Hendry to do the same. Or McDonough should...

[cubs121]

I think this ignites something in the team... or maybe, heck i think it makes them even more lousy as they are..

[Bruno7481]

Sounds like Z went back into the clubhouse and was tearing it up.

 

I hope he's given a bill to pay for the damages then. Grow up.

 

Yay..8-2!

Edited June 1, 2007 by Bruno7481

[Keener98]

Wow I just woke up, to find out I missed the most excitement from a Cubs game in over a week? Screw both of them

[jersey cubs fan]

Ya I think Barrett shoved him first, but it looked like Z was almost expecting it given his reaction time.

 

Possibly. He was in the process of backing up when Barrett came forward and shoved him. But when you argue like that you are on high alert for sudden movements with all the adrenaline.

[OleMissCub]

It reminds me a lot of this fight....

 

 

HOOOOLY COW

[Chocolate Milk]

Maybe Lou brought more FIRE and INTENSITY than was needed?

[RichHillIsABeast]

If Z left w/o permission, he should be traded. You don't ever walk out on your team.

[CubinNY]

 

Look at Z's head when Barrett steps forward. The only reason people don't think he started it is because you can't see his front. on frame 11 Z's head is back. He is clearly shoved and then lunges.

 

Back and to the left, back and to the left, back... and to the left.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Z left w/o permission, he should be traded. You don't ever walk out on your team.

 

Oh please. Leaving after such an incident is not out of line.

[OleMissCub]

 

Look at Z's head when Barrett steps forward. The only reason people don't think he started it is because you can't see his front. on frame 11 Z's head is back. He is clearly shoved and then lunges.

 

Back and to the left, back and to the left, back... and to the left.

 

Exactly what I was thinking...

 

I think in the right upper corner of the video I can see the shadow of Keith Hernandez.

[Drew Doughty]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/vh2k6/barrettlol.gif

 

difficult to tell, but i agree with goony that barrett made the first shove.

[Chocolate Milk]

If Z left w/o permission, he should be traded. You don't ever walk out on your team.

 

Oh please. Leaving after such an incident is not out of line.

 

I imagine he was probably told to leave if the rumors that he was going nuts in the clubhouse are true.

[XZero771679666304]

If Z left w/o permission, he should be traded. You don't ever walk out on your team.

 

Oh please. Leaving after such an incident is not out of line.

 

Agreed. He should be traded, but not because if this incident alone. I just want the Cubs to get what they can for him before the headcase walks in the offseason, or melts down even further.

[jersey cubs fan]

Gee guys, you're a little late on the JFK/Seinfeld comments.

 

barrett swung first, it's pretty clear.

 

freeze it at 11 seconds, Z's head is back, and to the right, back, and to the right, back and to the right.

[10man]

If Z left w/o permission, he should be traded. You don't ever walk out on your team.

Oh please. Leaving after such an incident is not out of line.

I imagine he was probably told to leave if the rumors that he was going nuts in the clubhouse are true.

Time to break out those security camera footages again.

[inari]

If Z left w/o permission, he should be traded. You don't ever walk out on your team.

 

Oh please. Leaving after such an incident is not out of line.

 

I imagine he was probably told to leave if the rumors that he was going nuts in the clubhouse are true.

 

Whether he left on his own or he was told to leave because he was being a 5 year old is largely irrelevant. Both are bad.

[jaydee]

I'd be pissed if I was Zambrano too. His defense let him down all friggin' day.

 

He didn't help with no Ks, but his defense really let him down.

 

Although it really looks like Zambrano started the fighting.

it doesn't help that zambrano is a horrible pitcher. mature of him to blame his team.

[XZero771679666304]

TBS just showed a side angle, which made it looked like both parties went after each other at the exact same time.

 

 

But does it really matter who did what first? The bottom line is that Z is a headcase, and Barrett isn't much better. One or both need to go.

[Abe Frohman]

It does kinda look like Barrett kinda puts his glove on Z's chest.

 

That isn't really smart. Z would clearly tear MB apart.