Lou sucks bandwagon

[cubfan1955]

unfortunately, i think the media focus is going to be on barrett's play and game winning wild pitch instead of the ridiculous decision to bring in eyre.

 

Yeah but Barrett played ultimately the dumbest game I've ever seen a major leaguer play. He deserves to be criticized for his awful game today. But that move to bring in Eyre was equally as dumb.

Not only dumb but Grady Little played him as a fool. After letting Wuertz warm up, Grady inserted the LH PH. Not to be outdone Lou showed his smarts by bringing in the LHP. Grady Little is a genius. (or not)

[CubColtPacer]

His inability to manage a bullpen is brutal. Wasting Ramirez in the 7th and putting Jones in CF was also a joke. Of course, when the game went to extra innings, that burned us two guys right there and left our bench really short.

 

I'm beginning to see why we're so bad in one-run games.

 

Ramirez pinch-hitting was the best move. Lou couldn't win there either, because there were several people in the game thread calling him several different names if he didn't PH with Ramirez there. What better situation can you put your biggest hitter on the bench in then bases loaded in the late innings?

 

Ok, I understand that. But why not leave him in the game at 3B after that AB?

 

Lou was giving him a day off. Typically, a guy who is getting a scheduled day off like that is available to pinch-hit if needed, but Lou didn't really want him playing any innings unless it was an emergency (which it wasn't) or else the day off would have been wasted.

[Drew Doughty]

my biggest issue with lou today was taking out Hill after 66 pitches. I don't care if Ward gives you a better shot at scoring, going to the bullpen early in a close game is a bad idea. didn't he see that it as an advantage that Wolf was out early? He made it a battle of the bullpens and then used the worst guys possible.

 

It's like being in a shootout in hockey and sending out your fourth liners for your first three shots. Dumb.

 

so if I had to create a list of dumb things from Lou today:

 

1) Taking out Hill early

2) Taking out Wuertz after 1 12-pitch inning

3) Bringing in Eyre in a close game when he's not the last guy out of the 25 guys on the roster available.

4) Bringing in Howry instead of Guzman (worked out fine in the end)

5) Taking out Guzman with a 1-0 count and bringing in a pitcher with control issues

6) Using Marmol out of the bullpen to throw an IBB after Guzman had already thrown one ball.

 

not sure if he gave the bunt sign or the steal sign or not.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

i don't care so much about hill being taken out early, but to not leave your best relief pitcher in the game with a 1-0 lead is inexcusable and to put that fat piece of trash scott eyre in over everybody else is ridiculous...i dont care about lefty-lefty matchups cuz eyre can't get anyone out and this year he can't get lefties out especially....had a better chance with wuertz

[rawaction]

my biggest issue with lou today was taking out Hill after 66 pitches. I don't care if Ward gives you a better shot at scoring, going to the bullpen early in a close game is a bad idea. didn't he see that it as an advantage that Wolf was out early? He made it a battle of the bullpens and then used the worst guys possible.

 

It's like being in a shootout in hockey and sending out your fourth liners for your first three shots. Dumb.

 

so if I had to create a list of dumb things from Lou today:

 

1) Taking out Hill early

2) Taking out Wuertz after 1 12-pitch inning

3) Bringing in Eyre in a close game when he's not the last guy out of the 25 guys on the roster available.

4) Bringing in Howry instead of Guzman (worked out fine in the end)

5) Taking out Guzman with a 1-0 count and bringing in a pitcher with control issues

6) Using Marmol out of the bullpen to throw an IBB after Guzman had already thrown one ball.

 

not sure if he gave the bunt sign or the steal sign or not.

 

I agree with all those dumb things. #1 set up the loss. And honestly, I think most managers would have made that move. But if you are gonna let Zambrano throw 125, because you are afraid of your bullpen's ability to get 6 outs....how can he justify taking Hill out with 66 pitches and making your pen get 9 outs? There were already 2 outs when Hill's spot in the order came up. The scoring chance was in Izturis' spot. I think this may be a spot where roster configuration hurt. I'm guessing Lou didn't pinch hit for Izturis because he didn't want Ramirez to have to play the field on his day off.

 

But soon as Wuertz came into the game, I said to myself, now he should be in there until Dempster or Guzman comes on in the 9th.

[Keener98]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

 

Oh no did I spell a word wrong on an internet message board? Um, who cares

[seanimal]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

 

Oh no did I spell a word wrong on an internet message board? Um, who cares

 

I don't think it's the spelling that's the issue.

 

Edit: or maybe it was.

[Keener98]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

 

Oh no did I spell a word wrong on an internet message board? Um, who cares

 

I don't think it's the spelling that's the issue.

 

Edit: or maybe it was.

 

Im lost because I have no clue what he was getting at?

[UK1679666180]

Can someone tell me when we're going to get the "angry old man" Piniella, the screaming at umpires, kicking dirt, throwing bases around the infield variety? It seems all we got was the "old [expletive]" Piniella.

 

Seems like we've had more than one manager who was willing to argue for his team elsewhere, but arrives in Chicago and suddenly becomes a teddy bear.

 

Who cares if he acts like Gandhi the rest of the way, people are looking for entertainment values of him blowing up rather than his actual capabilities as a manager when I see something like this.

 

I believe he's a good manager still, he's just made some poor moves that shouldn't happen at this point in the season given previous results as well unable to find a more stable line-up against RH'ers and LH'ers.

[seanimal]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

 

Oh no did I spell a word wrong on an internet message board? Um, who cares

 

I don't think it's the spelling that's the issue.

 

Edit: or maybe it was.

 

Im lost because I have no clue what he was getting at?

 

Me too.

 

Senile - 1 : of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age ; especially : exhibiting a loss of cognitive abilities (as memory) associated with old age

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

 

Oh no did I spell a word wrong on an internet message board? Um, who cares

 

I don't think it's the spelling that's the issue.

 

Edit: or maybe it was.

 

no, it wasn't -- it was the reference to someone as being senile while questioning why he doesn't see something thought of as obvious

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm on board. Using Eyre as he did today is unforgiveable. Eyre has proven all year long that he stinks; there is absolutely zero excuse for Lou using Eyre with a one-run lead.

 

ding ding ding we have a winner. Why is it that basically all of us know this but our old senile manager cant?

 

um...

 

Oh no did I spell a word wrong on an internet message board? Um, who cares

 

I don't think it's the spelling that's the issue.

 

Edit: or maybe it was.

 

Im lost because I have no clue what he was getting at?

 

Me too.

 

Senile - 1 : of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age ; especially : exhibiting a loss of cognitive abilities (as memory) associated with old age

 

I think the problem might be that you're expecting a senile person to behave rationally and logically. Senile old people often act, well, senile.

[Keener98]

Yea we got it, but the point still remains, Lou sucks :D

[killthegoat06]

Scott Eyre for Cy Young.

[Keener98]

Scott Eyre for Cy Young.

 

Id take that trade right now, at least with Cy we dont have to worry about seeing him in a meaningful game. Well and if he is I dont think hes going to throw the ball very far lol

[seanimal]

Scott Eyre for Cy Young.

 

Psh

 

Scott Eyre for HOF

[CubColtPacer]

One question answered-Barrett stealing 3rd was all him, not Piniella at all:

 

"The at-bat where [starter Randy Wolf] pitched to Angel Pagan, he threw four breaking balls," Barrett said. "I thought I'd gotten the sign, I thought I'd seen the sign they were going with. Cesar Izturis is hitting, and I gambled there. I thought I had the sign at second base that he was going to throw a curveball. He threw a fastball in and nailed me.

 

"Bottom line is, I overthought the whole process," Barrett said. "I really should let Lou make those decisions and not try to do too much."

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20070526&content_id=1987957&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[rocket]

maybe dusty will come back if we ask nicely

[Mizzou]

my biggest issue with lou today was taking out Hill after 66 pitches. I don't care if Ward gives you a better shot at scoring, going to the bullpen early in a close game is a bad idea. didn't he see that it as an advantage that Wolf was out early? He made it a battle of the bullpens and then used the worst guys possible.

 

It's like being in a shootout in hockey and sending out your fourth liners for your first three shots. Dumb.

 

so if I had to create a list of dumb things from Lou today:

 

1) Taking out Hill early

2) Taking out Wuertz after 1 12-pitch inning

3) Bringing in Eyre in a close game when he's not the last guy out of the 25 guys on the roster available.

4) Bringing in Howry instead of Guzman (worked out fine in the end)

5) Taking out Guzman with a 1-0 count and bringing in a pitcher with control issues

6) Using Marmol out of the bullpen to throw an IBB after Guzman had already thrown one ball.

 

not sure if he gave the bunt sign or the steal sign or not.

Wait, he took Hill out after just 66 pitches of shutout baseball? I'm still a fan of Sweet Lou, but what the hell?

[killthegoat06]

my biggest issue with lou today was taking out Hill after 66 pitches. I don't care if Ward gives you a better shot at scoring, going to the bullpen early in a close game is a bad idea. didn't he see that it as an advantage that Wolf was out early? He made it a battle of the bullpens and then used the worst guys possible.

 

It's like being in a shootout in hockey and sending out your fourth liners for your first three shots. Dumb.

 

so if I had to create a list of dumb things from Lou today:

 

1) Taking out Hill early

2) Taking out Wuertz after 1 12-pitch inning

3) Bringing in Eyre in a close game when he's not the last guy out of the 25 guys on the roster available.

4) Bringing in Howry instead of Guzman (worked out fine in the end)

5) Taking out Guzman with a 1-0 count and bringing in a pitcher with control issues

6) Using Marmol out of the bullpen to throw an IBB after Guzman had already thrown one ball.

 

not sure if he gave the bunt sign or the steal sign or not.

Wait, he took Hill out after just 66 pitches of shutout baseball? I'm still a fan of Sweet Lou, but what the hell?

 

We had a man on 3rd and 2 outs. We had to pinch hit for Hill.

[Soul]

my biggest issue with lou today was taking out Hill after 66 pitches. I don't care if Ward gives you a better shot at scoring, going to the bullpen early in a close game is a bad idea. didn't he see that it as an advantage that Wolf was out early? He made it a battle of the bullpens and then used the worst guys possible.

 

It's like being in a shootout in hockey and sending out your fourth liners for your first three shots. Dumb.

 

so if I had to create a list of dumb things from Lou today:

 

1) Taking out Hill early

2) Taking out Wuertz after 1 12-pitch inning

3) Bringing in Eyre in a close game when he's not the last guy out of the 25 guys on the roster available.

4) Bringing in Howry instead of Guzman (worked out fine in the end)

5) Taking out Guzman with a 1-0 count and bringing in a pitcher with control issues

6) Using Marmol out of the bullpen to throw an IBB after Guzman had already thrown one ball.

 

not sure if he gave the bunt sign or the steal sign or not.

 

#1 - not sure why he did this. Sounds like a bad idea to me

 

#2 - not a 'mistake,' you can't simply lean on Wuertz for tons of innings because he's one of the few talented arms we have. He'll burn out before the all-star break

 

#3 - See #2. You can't do this. If Eyre can't pitch out of the bullpen, he needs to leave. If he can only pitch in blowout games, same deal. Either he is capable, or he needs to be gone. That's not a Lou mistake, it's a Hendry failure.

 

#4 - Howry's been alright lately, and he's being counted on to be one of the major bullpen arms in the pen. This is not a mistake.

 

#5 - Guzman had control issues too. Wuertz has had control issues, Dempster too. Lou could have called on me to pitch, but I don't think the umps would allow it. This bullpen sucks, period. Maybe Lou should do a voodoo dance before he visits the mound, hell I don't know.

 

#6 - This one was silly. I'll give you that.

 

Seems to be 2 mistakes, and the other 4 are just basically the bullpen is junk and Lou can't perform miracles that turn turds into gold.

[rynefan]

Even Lou to this point in the season could never make me want Dusty back.

[Keener98]

my biggest issue with lou today was taking out Hill after 66 pitches. I don't care if Ward gives you a better shot at scoring, going to the bullpen early in a close game is a bad idea. didn't he see that it as an advantage that Wolf was out early? He made it a battle of the bullpens and then used the worst guys possible.

 

It's like being in a shootout in hockey and sending out your fourth liners for your first three shots. Dumb.

 

so if I had to create a list of dumb things from Lou today:

 

1) Taking out Hill early

2) Taking out Wuertz after 1 12-pitch inning

3) Bringing in Eyre in a close game when he's not the last guy out of the 25 guys on the roster available.

4) Bringing in Howry instead of Guzman (worked out fine in the end)

5) Taking out Guzman with a 1-0 count and bringing in a pitcher with control issues

6) Using Marmol out of the bullpen to throw an IBB after Guzman had already thrown one ball.

 

not sure if he gave the bunt sign or the steal sign or not.

 

#1 - not sure why he did this. Sounds like a bad idea to me

 

#2 - not a 'mistake,' you can't simply lean on Wuertz for tons of innings because he's one of the few talented arms we have. He'll burn out before the all-star break

 

#3 - See #2. You can't do this. If Eyre can't pitch out of the bullpen, he needs to leave. If he can only pitch in blowout games, same deal. Either he is capable, or he needs to be gone. That's not a Lou mistake, it's a Hendry failure.

 

#4 - Howry's been alright lately, and he's being counted on to be one of the major bullpen arms in the pen. This is not a mistake.

 

#5 - Guzman had control issues too. Wuertz has had control issues, Dempster too. Lou could have called on me to pitch, but I don't think the umps would allow it. This bullpen sucks, period. Maybe Lou should do a voodoo dance before he visits the mound, hell I don't know.

 

#6 - This one was silly. I'll give you that.

 

Seems to be 2 mistakes, and the other 4 are just basically the bullpen is junk and Lou can't perform miracles that turn turds into gold.

 

I guess you missed Friday nights game huh

[Drew Doughty]

#2 - not a 'mistake,' you can't simply lean on Wuertz for tons of innings because he's one of the few talented arms we have. He'll burn out before the all-star break

 

No, but you can throw more than one inning at a time. He was even out to start the inning, but Lou brought in Eyre after the LH PH had been announced. Lefties have a 1273 OPS against Eyre this year (before today), worse than his line against righties.

 

#3 - See #2. You can't do this. If Eyre can't pitch out of the bullpen, he needs to leave. If he can only pitch in blowout games, same deal. Either he is capable, or he needs to be gone. That's not a Lou mistake, it's a Hendry failure.

 

I understand that Hendry made a mistake, that doesn't mean Lou needs to use Eyre at all. Especially when we still have a lead in a 1-0 ball game.

 

#4 - Howry's been alright lately, and he's being counted on to be one of the major bullpen arms in the pen. This is not a mistake.

 

That wasn't as bad, but it's still not a good move. And Howry has been nowhere close to alright lately. He's allowed 10 ER in his last 6.1 IP if my counting is right.

 

#5 - Guzman had control issues too. Wuertz has had control issues, Dempster too. Lou could have called on me to pitch, but I don't think the umps would allow it. This bullpen sucks, period. Maybe Lou should do a voodoo dance before he visits the mound, hell I don't know.

 

Control issue is probably an understatement. Last year in 77 innings with the Cubs, he allowed 6.9 BB/9. He was brought in to walk the bases loaded so he absolutely could not make a mistake. Dempster was still available in the bullpen.