Izturis likely to bat 8th; Murton and DeRosa #2 Hitter

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Sorry mate. People are free to disagree, and discuss/debate their respective points of view. Swearing and "fixing" a post are apples and oranges. While you might find such a fixed post irritating, there's nothing wrong with it -- as there would be for swearing or using clever symbols to replace various letters.

 

If you find such posts irritating, I suggest that you ignore the people who make such posts.

 

I thought "attack the arguement, not the person" also included general attacks to anybody. Including childishly bashing baseball players. But I guess I was wrong.

 

Bashing baseball players with silly names may be childish, but unless they are posters here, people who do so aren't really violating forum rules.

[A New Era]

edited because vance got me in before my edit. Fixed to arrange post chronogically the way I want it. 8-) Edited March 11, 2007 by A New Era

[A New Era]

Sorry mate. People are free to disagree, and discuss/debate their respective points of view. Swearing and "fixing" a post are apples and oranges. While you might find such a fixed post irritating, there's nothing wrong with it -- as there would be for swearing or using clever symbols to replace various letters.

 

If you find such posts irritating, I suggest that you ignore the people who make such posts.

 

I thought "attack the arguement, not the person" also included general attacks to anybody. Including childishly bashing baseball players. But I guess I was wrong.

 

Bashing baseball players with silly names may be childish, but unless they are posters here, people who do so aren't really violating forum rules.

 

You got me in before the edit. But I guess I was wrong. So I'll adjust my response to the "cleaver" tongue in cheek that is so excepted over here.

[A New Era]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Well the arguement was he wouldn't belong in a line-up of a "slow pitch softball team". However I beleive none of those "slow pitch softball" players, could even break .050 in the majors. So I beg to differ. 8-)

[NCCubFan]

You got me in before the edit. But I guess I was wrong. So I'll adjust my response to the "cleaver" tongue in cheek that is so excepted over here.

Beaver Cleaver? :lol:

[A New Era]

You got me in before the edit. But I guess I was wrong. So I'll adjust my response to the "cleaver" tongue in cheek that is so excepted over here.

Beaver Cleaver? :lol:

 

Freudian slip?

[mg420]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Mods, can we put a stop to this? If I have to stop using these (#@#!) we should have to stop insulting players for the sole purpose of annoying supports of said players. Thank you.

 

i wouldnt worry about it if i were you. alot of posters on this board are under the delusion that they would make better gm's than many current ML gm's. that goes right along with comparing a guy like izturis with some beer leauge softball guys who couldnt get a hit off a good HS pitcher.

[BigSlick]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Well the arguement was he wouldn't belong in a line-up of a "slow pitch softball team". However I beleive none of those "slow pitch softball" players, could even break .050 in the majors. So I beg to differ. 8-)

 

If that. Most of them probably couldn't make contact in 10 at bats. One of my friends said he could get a hit off of a major league quality pitcher if given enough pitches (he played 2 years of Baseball in highschool), but I even doubt that.

 

Or maybe not. Perhaps I've giving too much credit to Major League players?

[Careless]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Well the arguement was he wouldn't belong in a line-up of a "slow pitch softball team". However I beleive none of those "slow pitch softball" players, could even break .050 in the majors. So I beg to differ. 8-)

 

If that. Most of them probably couldn't make contact in 10 at bats. One of my friends said he could get a hit off of a major league quality pitcher if given enough pitches (he played 2 years of Baseball in highschool), but I even doubt that.

 

Or maybe not. Perhaps I've giving too much credit to Major League players?

I bet around pitch 180 I could start getting some contact. Someone get carpenter ready, he's gonna throw until I hit something

 

But seriously, I assume that pitchers represent the best that someone who is a decent athlete but not gifted in hitting could do against ML pitching. They're not selected for their ability to hit but they get a lot of practice (compared to a regular person) at it. I don't think it's unreasonable to claim that a lot of people could hit .100 if they practiced for years.

[cubsavant]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Well the arguement was he wouldn't belong in a line-up of a "slow pitch softball team". However I beleive none of those "slow pitch softball" players, could even break .050 in the majors. So I beg to differ. 8-)

 

If that. Most of them probably couldn't make contact in 10 at bats. One of my friends said he could get a hit off of a major league quality pitcher if given enough pitches (he played 2 years of Baseball in highschool), but I even doubt that.

 

Or maybe not. Perhaps I've giving too much credit to Major League players?

I bet around pitch 180 I could start getting some contact. Someone get carpenter ready, he's gonna throw until I hit something

 

But seriously, I assume that pitchers represent the best that someone who is a decent athlete but not gifted in hitting could do against ML pitching. They're not selected for their ability to hit but they get a lot of practice (compared to a regular person) at it. I don't think it's unreasonable to claim that a lot of people could hit .100 if they practiced for years.

 

If you took one of the decent hitting pitchers and put him on your slow pitch team he would hit a homer more than 50% of his at bats. Izturis would hit over .900 on a slow pitch softball team, I think most people have a tough time grasping how much better major leaguers are than the rest of us at things involving a bat and a ball.

[BigSlick]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Well the arguement was he wouldn't belong in a line-up of a "slow pitch softball team". However I beleive none of those "slow pitch softball" players, could even break .050 in the majors. So I beg to differ. 8-)

 

If that. Most of them probably couldn't make contact in 10 at bats. One of my friends said he could get a hit off of a major league quality pitcher if given enough pitches (he played 2 years of Baseball in highschool), but I even doubt that.

 

Or maybe not. Perhaps I've giving too much credit to Major League players?

I bet around pitch 180 I could start getting some contact. Someone get carpenter ready, he's gonna throw until I hit something

 

But seriously, I assume that pitchers represent the best that someone who is a decent athlete but not gifted in hitting could do against ML pitching. They're not selected for their ability to hit but they get a lot of practice (compared to a regular person) at it. I don't think it's unreasonable to claim that a lot of people could hit .100 if they practiced for years.

 

Pitch 180 is where you start making contact? What if they start mixing in curveballs and change ups? (Assuming this is some hypothetical pitcher that isn't suject to fatigue) Then you can't just sit and time your swing for a fastball.

 

Honestly people really don't understand how daunting a task of getting a hit in the majors is.

 

EDIT: Yeah, someone said that above. A lot of these hitters put up absurd numbers in High School, like batting .700 and stuff. Could you imagine someone like Albert Pujols against High School or even College pitchers?

[Careless]

Izturis wouldn't belong in the starting lineup of some of the slow pitch softball teams my town.

 

You're right. He's a crappy baseball player who happens to be in the Major Leagues (much like Neifi Perez, Rey Rnez, and many others before them). And there's a reason why those men are playing "slow pitch" softball.

 

Fixed.

 

Well the arguement was he wouldn't belong in a line-up of a "slow pitch softball team". However I beleive none of those "slow pitch softball" players, could even break .050 in the majors. So I beg to differ. 8-)

 

 

If that. Most of them probably couldn't make contact in 10 at bats. One of my friends said he could get a hit off of a major league quality pitcher if given enough pitches (he played 2 years of Baseball in highschool), but I even doubt that.

 

Or maybe not. Perhaps I've giving too much credit to Major League players?

I bet around pitch 180 I could start getting some contact. Someone get carpenter ready, he's gonna throw until I hit something

 

But seriously, I assume that pitchers represent the best that someone who is a decent athlete but not gifted in hitting could do against ML pitching. They're not selected for their ability to hit but they get a lot of practice (compared to a regular person) at it. I don't think it's unreasonable to claim that a lot of people could hit .100 if they practiced for years.

 

Pitch 180 is where you start making contact? What if they start mixing in curveballs and change ups? (Assuming this is some hypothetical pitcher that isn't suject to fatigue) Then you can't just sit and time your swing for a fastball.

 

Honestly people really don't understand how daunting a task of getting a hit in the majors is.

 

EDIT: Yeah, someone said that above. A lot of these hitters put up absurd numbers in High School, like batting .700 and stuff. Could you imagine someone like Albert Pujols against High School or even College pitchers?

My plot was to exhaust him. And injure carpenter.

[BigSlick]

Bizarro Izturis batted 1-1 with 2 walks today.

 

Why is he taking pitches? I have no idea what is going on. If Bizarro Izturis lasts throughout the regular season, we'd have the best 8 hitter ever. (He wont, and we wont)

[CubColtPacer]

Bizarro Izturis batted 1-1 with 2 walks today.

 

Why is he taking pitches? I have no idea what is going on. If Bizarro Izturis lasts throughout the regular season, we'd have the best 8 hitter ever. (He wont, and we wont)

 

Well, I doubt we have the best number 8 hitter ever, but I do think we'll have one of the better 8th hitters in the NL. He is taking pitches because his developing patience got combined with coaches who stress patience-a great combination. He is absolutely on fire right now-he can't keep this up, but the signs of him being healthy and closer to his just before pre-injury level are there so far. All we can do now is wait and see if that continues to translate to the rest of spring and more importantly the regular season. I can tell you one thing-I'm sure most people didn't expect him to be tied for the team lead in walks right now even with having the fewest at-bats of any of the starters :D.

[A New Era]

Bizarro Izturis batted 1-1 with 2 walks today.

 

Why is he taking pitches? I have no idea what is going on. If Bizarro Izturis lasts throughout the regular season, we'd have the best 8 hitter ever. (He wont, and we wont)

 

It's not odd to think he will keep the patience. Will he keep the high OBP? No. But he appears pretty patient out there. And I like that. Especially in a hitter who has very little power, like Izturis.

[brinoch]

Bizarro Izturis batted 1-1 with 2 walks today.

 

Why is he taking pitches? I have no idea what is going on. If Bizarro Izturis lasts throughout the regular season, we'd have the best 8 hitter ever. (He wont, and we wont)

 

It's not odd to think he will keep the patience. Will he keep the high OBP? No. But he appears pretty patient out there. And I like that. Especially in a hitter who has very little power, like Izturis.

 

The more patience he displays, the more valuable Izturis will be.

[Mephistopheles]

the cubs should just tell him never to swing unless he has 2 strikes on him

[brinoch]

the cubs should just tell him never to swing unless he has 2 strikes on him

 

Get him some body armor so he can lean in and take some easy bases.

[A New Era]

the cubs should just tell him never to swing unless he has 2 strikes on him

 

The league might catch on at some point. :lol:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

the cubs should just tell him never to swing unless he has 2 strikes on him

 

Get him some body armor so he can lean in and take some easy bases.

 

Biggio has made a career of it.

[CubColtPacer]

I understand why Izturis could possibly make a jump in patience like he has as well. When he came over last year, I watched him closely to see why he was not very patient. What I found is that his lack of patience was more one of philosophy than anything. Izturis actually has a pretty good eye at the plate (it's not nearly the best I've ever seen, he'll still chase pitches from time to time, but it's above average). When he got deep into counts, he would take pitches that were just off the plate, and would usually not swing at a ball. The problem was that he had been taught to go after the first strike he saw-all that he needs is someone to teach him what pitches he can line and what pitches he needs to take. With his natural talent (his good eye) and a bit of training, he'll be able to catch on to that quite quickly, which should result in both an increase in his AVG and BB totals.

[BigbadB]

Someone will have a better recollection than me, but a few years back (maybe 3), Izturis was facing a Cubs pitcher and took 10+ pitches and then finally jacked one out of the park. I wanna say it was closer to 14-15 pitches rather than 10. Endless at bat where Izturis continued fouling off pitches.

 

Edit: I think this at bat was actually against the Padres. I went through the game logs for 03-06 and didn't find any HR's by Izturis against the Cubs.

[CubColtPacer]

Someone will have a better recollection than me, but a few years back (maybe 3), Izturis was facing a Cubs pitcher and took 10+ pitches and then finally jacked one out of the park. I wanna say it was closer to 14-15 pitches rather than 10. Endless at bat where Izturis continued fouling off pitches.

 

It was a horrible sight as a Cub fan.

 

I believe you are actually talking about Alex Cora, who hit a home run on pitch number 18 against the Cubs.

[cl smooth]

Someone will have a better recollection than me, but a few years back (maybe 3), Izturis was facing a Cubs pitcher and took 10+ pitches and then finally jacked one out of the park. I wanna say it was closer to 14-15 pitches rather than 10. Endless at bat where Izturis continued fouling off pitches.

 

Edit: I think this at bat was actually against the Padres. I went through the game logs for 03-06 and didn't find any HR's by Izturis against the Cubs.

 

wasn't that against clement?

[daske17]

Someone will have a better recollection than me, but a few years back (maybe 3), Izturis was facing a Cubs pitcher and took 10+ pitches and then finally jacked one out of the park. I wanna say it was closer to 14-15 pitches rather than 10. Endless at bat where Izturis continued fouling off pitches.

 

Edit: I think this at bat was actually against the Padres. I went through the game logs for 03-06 and didn't find any HR's by Izturis against the Cubs.

 

I think you're thinking of Alex Cora working against Matt Clement. The at-bat lasted something like 18 minutes.