3/6ST: Brewers (Vargas) v Cubs (Marquis), 2:05CT, Webcast

[BeerHere]

Nice 1-2-3 inning for Guzman

[Drew Doughty]

Don't some posters realize the hypocrisy in their statements where they tell others to not get excited about and judge a player based on his best year, and yet turn around and rip Marquis apart mostly because of his horrible year last year? Aside from a rather high WHIP, he pitched pretty well in 2004 and 2005.

 

so basically, other than being easy to hit he was pretty good?

 

also, he sucked hard in 2002 and 2003.

 

It's not about how many hits you give up. It's about how many runs you give up.

 

...and runs come from hits and walks (aka whip).

 

Runs are tracked by ERA, not by WHIP. WHIP is a nice little ancillary stat, but ERA is much more important.

 

It's not that different than football. What do you care more about? How many points you gave up or how many yards?

 

One is usually indicative of the other. If you score 30 points but amass 30 yards of offense, you probably can't count on that week in week out. If you have a high whip, you *usually* have a higher ERA. Not always, but it's usually the case. And since ERA isn't predictive at all, I'd look at his WHIP.

[abuck1220]

Don't some posters realize the hypocrisy in their statements where they tell others to not get excited about and judge a player based on his best year, and yet turn around and rip Marquis apart mostly because of his horrible year last year? Aside from a rather high WHIP, he pitched pretty well in 2004 and 2005.

 

so basically, other than being easy to hit he was pretty good?

 

also, he sucked hard in 2002 and 2003.

 

It's not about how many hits you give up. It's about how many runs you give up.

 

...and runs come from hits and walks (aka whip).

 

Runs are tracked by ERA, not by WHIP. WHIP is a nice little ancillary stat, but ERA is much more important.

 

It's not that different than football. What do you care more about? How many points you gave up or how many yards?

 

and typically a guy who gives up a bunch of hits gives up a bunch of runs. and teams that give up a bunch of yards give up a bunch of points. pitchers and football teams can both get lucky.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Guzman, Guzman...keep turning up the heat.

[98navigator]

Good for us it's a commercial and not that song again

 

I think they did it on purpose. They know Cubs fans don't have a choice but to listen to this webcast.

[A New Era]

Guzman, Guzman...keep turning up the heat.

 

:lol:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Sounds like: 1 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 1 K/0 BB, 8 pitches, 7 strikes. Good to see his command improve.

[A New Era]

Good for us it's a commercial and not that song again

 

I think they did it on purpose. They know Cubs fans don't have a choice but to listen to this webcast.

 

It didn't bother me, honestly. It's THEIR webcast.

[Chris]

EPatt up this inning

[BeerHere]

The name Sperling makes me laugh

 

 

Not sure why

 

 

But it does

[98navigator]

Soriano 0-2 today

 

Soriano vs Sterling

 

pitch one: ball

pitch two: foul

pitch three: foul

pitch four: swing and a miss

 

1 out

[Chris]

Come on EPatt

[abuck1220]

I think Marquis will put up better numbers this year than last. As far as how much better he will be this year, that remains to be seen. I'll take a guess though..4.40 ERA for the season.

 

PECOTA: 5.44 ERA

Bill James: 5.14

CHONE: 5.13

ZIPS: 4.95

 

I'd say 4.40 is pretty optimistic. I'd love for it to happen, but it's more likely we see a 5-something.

Previous to last year he put up ERA's of 4.13 and 3.71 and some other crappy ones. There is reason to believe he could fall inline close to the above numbers this year.

 

no... baseball projections are always dead-on

 

amen to that sarcasm.

 

gut feelings from fans of the team the guy signs with following a good spring training outing are typically much more accurate.

 

Gut feelings. Or just going to carreer #'s and the last few years?

 

what else would you prefer to look at?

[TruffleShuffle]

EPatt up this inning

 

time for another hit

[A New Era]

EPatt up this inning

 

we're not worthy!

 

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/chilene/wayneswrld.jpg

[cheapseats]

Good for us it's a commercial and not that song again

 

I think they did it on purpose. They know Cubs fans don't have a choice but to listen to this webcast.

 

It didn't bother me, honestly. It's THEIR webcast.

 

It was so bad that I'd like to hear it again.

[CuseCubFan69]

Sounds like: 1 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 1 K/0 BB, 8 pitches, 7 strikes. Good to see his command improve.

 

That is hot.

[98navigator]

EPatt 2 for 2 today

 

EPatt vs Sterling

 

pitch one: ball

pitch two: strike

pitch three: groundout 4-3

 

2 down

[Chris]

EPatt grounds out.

 

Apparently he is human.

[Danny82]

Don't some posters realize the hypocrisy in their statements where they tell others to not get excited about and judge a player based on his best year, and yet turn around and rip Marquis apart mostly because of his horrible year last year? Aside from a rather high WHIP, he pitched pretty well in 2004 and 2005.

 

so basically, other than being easy to hit he was pretty good?

 

also, he sucked hard in 2002 and 2003.

 

It's not about how many hits you give up. It's about how many runs you give up.

 

...and runs come from hits and walks (aka whip).

 

Runs are tracked by ERA, not by WHIP. WHIP is a nice little ancillary stat, but ERA is much more important.

 

It's not that different than football. What do you care more about? How many points you gave up or how many yards?

 

and typically a guy who gives up a bunch of hits gives up a bunch of runs. and teams that give up a bunch of yards give up a bunch of points. pitchers and football teams can both get lucky.

 

And is there any other possible explanation for a team that gives up a lot of yards but not a lot of points? Or a pitcher who gives up a lot of hits but not a lot of runs?

 

Any other possible explanation?

 

Like maybe the defense that a football team employs is a "bend but don't break" type that becomes increasingly more difficult as the offense nears the red zone?

 

Or a pitcher who induces a high number of double play balls to partially offset the high number of hits he gives up?

 

Possibly?

 

Or is it all just luck?

[A New Era]

I think Marquis will put up better numbers this year than last. As far as how much better he will be this year, that remains to be seen. I'll take a guess though..4.40 ERA for the season.

 

PECOTA: 5.44 ERA

Bill James: 5.14

CHONE: 5.13

ZIPS: 4.95

 

I'd say 4.40 is pretty optimistic. I'd love for it to happen, but it's more likely we see a 5-something.

Previous to last year he put up ERA's of 4.13 and 3.71 and some other crappy ones. There is reason to believe he could fall inline close to the above numbers this year.

 

no... baseball projections are always dead-on

 

amen to that sarcasm.

 

gut feelings from fans of the team the guy signs with following a good spring training outing are typically much more accurate.

 

Gut feelings. Or just going to carreer #'s and the last few years?

 

what else would you prefer to look at?

 

Well when I judge a player I try to look at their carreer #'s first. And then look at their recent trends. It's not ridiculous to think Marquis could be good when he had 1 bad year, and 2 good years before that. It's the same thing to expect Soriano to reproduce his last year. He won't. You just adjust that to his last few years.

[BeerHere]

Single for Lee

[98navigator]

DLee 1 for 2

 

Dlee vs Sterling

 

pitch one: ball

pitch two: ball

pitch three: singles

[A New Era]

Good for us it's a commercial and not that song again

 

I think they did it on purpose. They know Cubs fans don't have a choice but to listen to this webcast.

 

It didn't bother me, honestly. It's THEIR webcast.

 

It was so bad that I'd like to hear it again.

 

don't worry, they'll honor you with that.

[soccer10k]

So I assume Marquis looked pretty good today?