NSD tomorrow - how's your team doing?

[hawkeyecub]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rivals has LSU at five, ESPN at seven, and Scout.com at #2. Not too bad. It would have been nice to get McKnight, but it's still a good class.

[TruffleShuffle]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

[Andy]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

[hawkeyecub]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

[Andy]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

People with morals get burned in college football recruiting. And thanks for reading the rest of my post in bold before jumping right to the stupid attack conclusion.

[CubColtPacer]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

[hawkeyecub]

People with morals get burned in college football recruiting. And thanks for reading the rest of my post in bold before jumping right to the stupid attack conclusion.

 

I read it and was responding to the first part, which is why I said "almost always".

 

If you want to say that you can't have morals, fine. But don't go on national TV and drag the two kids who left through the mud. I really wouldn't care if it weren't for that.

 

But don't act like committments are some principle to be honored and then try to steal away commits from other schools in the last two weeks. You can't have it both ways.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

People with morals get burned in college football recruiting. And thanks for reading the rest of my post in bold before jumping right to the stupid attack conclusion.

 

I read it and was responding to the first part, which is why I said "almost always".

 

If you want to say that you can't have morals, fine. But don't go on national TV and drag the two kids who left through the mud. I really wouldn't care if it weren't for that.

 

But don't act like committments are some principle to be honored and then try to steal away commits from other schools in the last two weeks. You can't have it both ways.

 

I agree with this sentiment.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

People with morals get burned in college football recruiting. And thanks for reading the rest of my post in bold before jumping right to the stupid attack conclusion.

 

Exhibit 1: Karl Dorrell :x

[Guest]

I know most won't talk about my school, but I fully believe that Alabama had the most undrrated day for recruiting today.

 

He was able to keep in state talent, in Alabama, and away from Awbarn (Murphy and Gibson). He was able to get a couple of very intriguing prospects to decommit from the original team, to committ at Alabama (Luther Davis and Demetrius Goode). Then you throw in a couple of heckuva surprise like Michael Ricks, (4 star DB) and Kareem Jackson to committ to Alabama. I just believe that while LSU/Tenn/both USC/ND, etc, etc, gets the hype of having the best classes, I believe Alabama had one of the most UNDERRATED classes this yr.

[Magnetic Curses]

is it just me or was clint brewster, the 8th rated QB in the nation, an illini commit until today, when he signed with minnesota?

[Magnetic Curses]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

 

charlie weiss is a big, fat slob who comes from a coaching tree filled with complete slobs, most being big and fat--starting with parcells and filthy bill, but including mangini and romeo.

[Jon]

is it just me or was clint brewster, the 8th rated QB in the nation, an illini commit until today, when he signed with minnesota?

Regardless of when it happened, Brewster deciding to follow his dad isn't a big surprise.

[Magnetic Curses]

is it just me or was clint brewster, the 8th rated QB in the nation, an illini commit until today, when he signed with minnesota?

Regardless of when it happened, Brewster deciding to follow his dad isn't a big surprise.

 

not a huge loss, but dissapointing nonetheless.

[Andy]

People with morals get burned in college football recruiting. And thanks for reading the rest of my post in bold before jumping right to the stupid attack conclusion.

 

I read it and was responding to the first part, which is why I said "almost always".

 

If you want to say that you can't have morals, fine. But don't go on national TV and drag the two kids who left through the mud. I really wouldn't care if it weren't for that.

 

But don't act like committments are some principle to be honored and then try to steal away commits from other schools in the last two weeks. You can't have it both ways.

 

I agree with this sentiment.

He wasn't dragging the kids through the mud for decommitting - he was dragging them through the mud for leading ND to believe they were still coming (Greg Little even told someone YESTERDAY that he was still coming) and then changing their minds, at the last minute, with no explanation to the ND coaches.

 

I don't have a problem with decommitting if a situation changes (such as Justin Trattou going from ND to Florida when Corwin Brown came in and implemented a 3-4 scheme). I do have an issue with them doing it without informing the coaches of their decision, and at the last second no less.

[dougdescenzo]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

 

When has Belicheck ever cut corners to win? He drafts intelligent players with character because that is the program he wants in place. He certainly doesn't cut corners with the salary cap as the Pats are well under. He even provoked a feud with Mangini because he broke an "unwritten rule" among coaches of the Parcells tree. I would love a couple of instances where Belichek "cut corners" just to win.

 

And to defend Weis, can a kid not decommit after a head coach leaves? The coach wasn't loyal to the kid yet the kid is supposed to be loyal to the program? And is offering a life-long fan of the program whos father actually played at the school considered cutting corners? Peter Vaas did still contact Benn and sent some pretty weird text messages to the kid as the report said. Peter Vaas is no longer with the program, and Weis offered recruiting practices as reason for his dismissal.

[Magnetic Curses]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

 

When has Belicheck ever cut corners to win? He drafts intelligent players with character because that is the program he wants in place. He certainly doesn't cut corners with the salary cap as the Pats are well under. He even provoked a feud with Mangini because he broke an "unwritten rule" among coaches of the Parcells tree. I would love a couple of instances where Belichek "cut corners" just to win.

 

well, i wouldn't classify it in the "just to win" category, but the man doesn't bathe, and that's cutting corners to me.

[dougdescenzo]

I didn't know you knew him that well.

[CubColtPacer]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

 

When has Belicheck ever cut corners to win? He drafts intelligent players with character because that is the program he wants in place. He certainly doesn't cut corners with the salary cap as the Pats are well under. He even provoked a feud with Mangini because he broke an "unwritten rule" among coaches of the Parcells tree. I would love a couple of instances where Belichek "cut corners" just to win.

 

And to defend Weis, can a kid not decommit after a head coach leaves? The coach wasn't loyal to the kid yet the kid is supposed to be loyal to the program? And is offering a life-long fan of the program whos father actually played at the school considered cutting corners? Peter Vaas did still contact Benn and sent some pretty weird text messages to the kid as the report said. Peter Vaas is no longer with the program, and Weis offered recruiting practices as reason for his dismissal.

 

Number one: Belicheck basically laughs in the face of the NFL's insistence on a proper injury report. He puts players like Rodney Harrison as questionable even when he knows they are going to be out for the next several weeks. He put Brady as probable on the injury report the entire season even though Brady really admits there's no injury (although that's of course a less severe instance than the first one).

 

Second, it is pretty well known that BB instructs his players to go as far as they can as much as the refs will allow that day, even if it's technically against the rules. For example, the Patriots-Colts game of 2003 showed that BB's game plan was to keep committing penalties on the Colts receivers down the field and to challenge the referees to keep calling it on the Patriots. When they did not in that game, their team kept doing it, and would have continued to that degree if the NFL didn't make sure the referees enforced the rule after the season. Also, BB physically blocked Marvin Harrison from getting back unto the field of play to make a tackle after an INT (it probably hasn't been seen by most people, but I can completely verify that it is true, and it is not likely whatsoever that it was an accident).

 

You are right-the Patriots players as a whole are honorable people who play the game the right way-BB is a coach who knows how to get them to win, and does not encourage his team to play dirty (as it seems certain coaches do by the way they respond to their team's dirty play, and I'm thinking of one coach in particular in the NFL :D)-however, BB has never been known as a coach who completely plays by the rules, but tries to stretch certain things as much as he can get away with for his team's advantage.

[Magnetic Curses]

I didn't know you knew him that well.

 

i don't, but the man has visible stink lines.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

well, i wouldn't classify it in the "just to win" category, but the man doesn't bathe, and that's cutting corners to me.

 

This made me laugh out loud.

 

And dougdescenzo, Belicheck has earned his reputation - CubColtPacer's post is the least of it.

[dew1679666265]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

 

When has Belicheck ever cut corners to win? He drafts intelligent players with character because that is the program he wants in place. He certainly doesn't cut corners with the salary cap as the Pats are well under. He even provoked a feud with Mangini because he broke an "unwritten rule" among coaches of the Parcells tree. I would love a couple of instances where Belichek "cut corners" just to win.

 

And to defend Weis, can a kid not decommit after a head coach leaves? The coach wasn't loyal to the kid yet the kid is supposed to be loyal to the program? And is offering a life-long fan of the program whos father actually played at the school considered cutting corners? Peter Vaas did still contact Benn and sent some pretty weird text messages to the kid as the report said. Peter Vaas is no longer with the program, and Weis offered recruiting practices as reason for his dismissal.

 

Number one: Belicheck basically laughs in the face of the NFL's insistence on a proper injury report. He puts players like Rodney Harrison as questionable even when he knows they are going to be out for the next several weeks. He put Brady as probable on the injury report the entire season even though Brady really admits there's no injury (although that's of course a less severe instance than the first one).

 

Second, it is pretty well known that BB instructs his players to go as far as they can as much as the refs will allow that day, even if it's technically against the rules. For example, the Patriots-Colts game of 2003 showed that BB's game plan was to keep committing penalties on the Colts receivers down the field and to challenge the referees to keep calling it on the Patriots. When they did not in that game, their team kept doing it, and would have continued to that degree if the NFL didn't make sure the referees enforced the rule after the season. Also, BB physically blocked Marvin Harrison from getting back unto the field of play to make a tackle after an INT (it probably hasn't been seen by most people, but I can completely verify that it is true, and it is not likely whatsoever that it was an accident).

 

You are right-the Patriots players as a whole are honorable people who play the game the right way-BB is a coach who knows how to get them to win, and does not encourage his team to play dirty (as it seems certain coaches do by the way they respond to their team's dirty play, and I'm thinking of one coach in particular in the NFL :D)-however, BB has never been known as a coach who completely plays by the rules, but tries to stretch certain things as much as he can get away with for his team's advantage.

 

I gotta ask, should I be bothered by this?

[CubColtPacer]

Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

 

When has Belicheck ever cut corners to win? He drafts intelligent players with character because that is the program he wants in place. He certainly doesn't cut corners with the salary cap as the Pats are well under. He even provoked a feud with Mangini because he broke an "unwritten rule" among coaches of the Parcells tree. I would love a couple of instances where Belichek "cut corners" just to win.

 

And to defend Weis, can a kid not decommit after a head coach leaves? The coach wasn't loyal to the kid yet the kid is supposed to be loyal to the program? And is offering a life-long fan of the program whos father actually played at the school considered cutting corners? Peter Vaas did still contact Benn and sent some pretty weird text messages to the kid as the report said. Peter Vaas is no longer with the program, and Weis offered recruiting practices as reason for his dismissal.

 

Number one: Belicheck basically laughs in the face of the NFL's insistence on a proper injury report. He puts players like Rodney Harrison as questionable even when he knows they are going to be out for the next several weeks. He put Brady as probable on the injury report the entire season even though Brady really admits there's no injury (although that's of course a less severe instance than the first one).

 

Second, it is pretty well known that BB instructs his players to go as far as they can as much as the refs will allow that day, even if it's technically against the rules. For example, the Patriots-Colts game of 2003 showed that BB's game plan was to keep committing penalties on the Colts receivers down the field and to challenge the referees to keep calling it on the Patriots. When they did not in that game, their team kept doing it, and would have continued to that degree if the NFL didn't make sure the referees enforced the rule after the season. Also, BB physically blocked Marvin Harrison from getting back unto the field of play to make a tackle after an INT (it probably hasn't been seen by most people, but I can completely verify that it is true, and it is not likely whatsoever that it was an accident).

 

You are right-the Patriots players as a whole are honorable people who play the game the right way-BB is a coach who knows how to get them to win, and does not encourage his team to play dirty (as it seems certain coaches do by the way they respond to their team's dirty play, and I'm thinking of one coach in particular in the NFL :D)-however, BB has never been known as a coach who completely plays by the rules, but tries to stretch certain things as much as he can get away with for his team's advantage.

 

I gotta ask, should I be bothered by this?

 

No-it is a team in the Colts division, but it is certainly not Jeff Fisher.

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Anyone hear about Charlie Weiss' comments on ESPN today after two major guys decommitted? He said he asked if the word "committment" meant anything?

 

Of course in the next breath he talked about landing Brian Smith, a 4 star linebacker from Kansas who has been committed to Iowa for months. Eric Johnson (Iowa ass't) was on the radio saying that in the last two weeks they've swooped in on 4 of Iowa's recruits. Broderick Binns a DE commit from Minnesota told the staff that a Notre Dame assistant told Binns, "the word committment means nothing".

 

I don't think anyone is shedding any tears that Charlie lost a couple today. There was another story about him handing a ring to a coach and having him walk it across the room for a junior to see during the no-contact period.

 

what a d-bag. That sounds awfully hollow after ND just took two recruits who had previously committed to Iowa and Louisville.

Different situations. The Iowa recruit consisted pretty much of ND offering and him changing his mind due to the offer. The Louisville recruit was a coaching change, i.e. the coaching change that cost ND a bunch of recruits in 2004-05.

 

However, ND's far from innocent of this. There's a Washington Post article today in which former QB coach Peter Vaas was pursuing Arrelious Benn pretty aggressively after he was committed to Illinois.

 

Funny how it's almost always a different situation when ND is involved.

Smith had been committed for almost 6 months and taken multiple visits. He helped recruit others to Iowa.

 

The point is Charlie puts on a face for the cameras that he's all about committment and being honorable about them. He's upset that someone would back out of a committment to him. Yet he has no dilemna's when it comes to trying to snatch away commits from other schools, the very week before signing day.

 

What a man of principle.

 

I don't think many if any in the ND fanbase would consider Weis a "true man of principle". He is from the Belicheck school, that is for sure-and unfortunately, that means they cut certain corners to win. I think he is a great coach, but I'm not sure I like the man.

 

When has Belicheck ever cut corners to win? He drafts intelligent players with character because that is the program he wants in place. He certainly doesn't cut corners with the salary cap as the Pats are well under. He even provoked a feud with Mangini because he broke an "unwritten rule" among coaches of the Parcells tree. I would love a couple of instances where Belichek "cut corners" just to win.

 

And to defend Weis, can a kid not decommit after a head coach leaves? The coach wasn't loyal to the kid yet the kid is supposed to be loyal to the program? And is offering a life-long fan of the program whos father actually played at the school considered cutting corners? Peter Vaas did still contact Benn and sent some pretty weird text messages to the kid as the report said. Peter Vaas is no longer with the program, and Weis offered recruiting practices as reason for his dismissal.

 

Number one: Belicheck basically laughs in the face of the NFL's insistence on a proper injury report. He puts players like Rodney Harrison as questionable even when he knows they are going to be out for the next several weeks. He put Brady as probable on the injury report the entire season even though Brady really admits there's no injury (although that's of course a less severe instance than the first one).

 

Second, it is pretty well known that BB instructs his players to go as far as they can as much as the refs will allow that day, even if it's technically against the rules. For example, the Patriots-Colts game of 2003 showed that BB's game plan was to keep committing penalties on the Colts receivers down the field and to challenge the referees to keep calling it on the Patriots. When they did not in that game, their team kept doing it, and would have continued to that degree if the NFL didn't make sure the referees enforced the rule after the season. Also, BB physically blocked Marvin Harrison from getting back unto the field of play to make a tackle after an INT (it probably hasn't been seen by most people, but I can completely verify that it is true, and it is not likely whatsoever that it was an accident).

 

You are right-the Patriots players as a whole are honorable people who play the game the right way-BB is a coach who knows how to get them to win, and does not encourage his team to play dirty (as it seems certain coaches do by the way they respond to their team's dirty play, and I'm thinking of one coach in particular in the NFL :D)-however, BB has never been known as a coach who completely plays by the rules, but tries to stretch certain things as much as he can get away with for his team's advantage.

 

I gotta ask, should I be bothered by this?

 

No-it is a team in the Colts division, but it is certainly not Jeff Fisher.

 

Ok, I know who you're talking about now. Thought you might be whining again about the fantasy "Albert Haynesworth fakes injuries so he can rest" story again. :wink: