Super Bowl XLI: Bears vs. Colts, Sun 2/4, 5:30 pm CT

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

In this scenario though, couldn't people in charge of the Bears be charged as knowing accomplices? Granted, it's not a huge crime to be part of, but I think in that case it's a decision that affects more than just Tank.

Not just the Bears, I'm the NFL would be held responsible too. No way he plays without the court's permission. In fact, if he showed up without permission, I'm sure someone, either Bears or NFL would turn him over to the police. And if I'm not mistaken, once you leave the state, doesn't it become a federal matter? (Meaning the FBI can show up and arrest you on the spot)

 

Yeah, I don't think it's even an option. He needs to see if he can get some sort of special treatment for the Super Bowl. If not, we'll have to go with the guys we have. I think we'll be okay on the front line.

 

I really think it's a non-issue anyway. It'd be hard to not allow a guy to go on a work related trip like this. Someone said it before, I don't care if he has to stay in a cell the entire time he's not a practice, playing, or at a press conference. Just get him there.

[Laura]

The judge doesn't allow Tank Johnson to travel to Miami, he's is going to get some much garbage from Bear fans. As bad as it sounds, I could see some meathead Bears fan doing something really stupid.

 

Well, he IS a Packers fan :wink:

 

But seriously, he's under house arrest. If he isn't granted permission to go to Miami with the team, people shouldn't be in an uproar about it.

 

The Lake County Judge who has already OK'd Tank going to Miami was the Packers fan. There's no indication of the fan affiliation of the Cook County Judge who is having the hearing tomorrow.

[CP_414]

The judge doesn't allow Tank Johnson to travel to Miami, he's is going to get some much garbage from Bear fans. As bad as it sounds, I could see some meathead Bears fan doing something really stupid.

 

Well, he IS a Packers fan :wink:

 

But seriously, he's under house arrest. If he isn't granted permission to go to Miami with the team, people shouldn't be in an uproar about it.

 

The Lake County Judge who has already OK'd Tank going to Miami was the Packers fan. There's no indication of the fan affiliation of the Cook County Judge who is having the hearing tomorrow.

 

Why does he need 2 judges to ok it?

[Andy]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

[BigbadB]

The judge doesn't allow Tank Johnson to travel to Miami, he's is going to get some much garbage from Bear fans. As bad as it sounds, I could see some meathead Bears fan doing something really stupid.

 

Well, he IS a Packers fan :wink:

 

But seriously, he's under house arrest. If he isn't granted permission to go to Miami with the team, people shouldn't be in an uproar about it.

 

The Lake County Judge who has already OK'd Tank going to Miami was the Packers fan. There's no indication of the fan affiliation of the Cook County Judge who is having the hearing tomorrow.

 

Why does he need 2 judges to ok it?

 

Probably because the Packer fan judge isn't a real judge. :D

[David]

Theyre talking about Lovie's contract situation on Boers and Bernstein right now. I would hope it would never happen, but they brought up the hypothetical situation where if the Bears arent gonna pay him, perhaps trading him for some first round draft picks. I doubt it happens and bet the Bears pay Lovie.

 

Hahahaha. Gotta love those B&B guys. Looks like they're stretching out into left field to try and find a controversy.

 

Lovie's so back for a multi year deal it isn't even funny.

 

You're way off on B&B. They've been extremely positive on the Bears all year and constantly ridicule the morons in our fan base that have been hypercritical of this team all year.

 

They laugh at all the so-called controversy around the team because they think it's ridiculous that there is any controversy.

 

It's probably the most level-headed media coverage I've seen with regard to the Bears.

 

Lawrence Holmes was on for the Bear Report and suggested that there are rumblings that Dallas is going to ask the Bears for permission to talk to Lovie, and brought up the whole thing about it being Lovie's childhood dream to coach the Cowboys, which could throw a hitch into extension negotiations.

 

All B&B suggested in response to this was that if you're gonna give them permission to discuss anything with Lovie, you ask for a couple of first rounders in return and then you consider it and possibly promote Chico to the head coaching position.

Edited January 23, 2007 by David

[BigbadB]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

I believe that will be quite a bit different next year. Looks like the Bears schedule will be a fairly tough one. At least outside of the conference.

[Omar]

Last night as I was too excited to go to sleep.. I started thinking.. What separates Dusty Baker and Lovie Smith? Both are laid-back managers, and are not really aggressive. Only one is really successful. Why is that?

 

So which is it? Is it better to be a laid-back manager, or an aggressive one that yells all the time?

 

Does it depend on the players the manager is suited for?

 

And now I think about what may happen to Piniella.. Good or bad.

[RichHillIsABeast]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

It's called sarcasm. Dry your eyes.

[Laura]

The judge doesn't allow Tank Johnson to travel to Miami, he's is going to get some much garbage from Bear fans. As bad as it sounds, I could see some meathead Bears fan doing something really stupid.

 

Well, he IS a Packers fan :wink:

 

But seriously, he's under house arrest. If he isn't granted permission to go to Miami with the team, people shouldn't be in an uproar about it.

 

The Lake County Judge who has already OK'd Tank going to Miami was the Packers fan. There's no indication of the fan affiliation of the Cook County Judge who is having the hearing tomorrow.

 

Why does he need 2 judges to ok it?

 

I guess he lives in Lake County, where the most recent misdemeanor gun charges were filed. The Cook County charges were for violating his probation. Two different jurisdictions.

 

It's probably why there was confusion earlier over whether he had already been cleared to travel or not.

[Omar]

You'd think a guy as rich as him could buy himself an innocent verdict.

[BigbadB]

Last night as I was too excited to go to sleep.. I started thinking.. What separates Dusty Baker and Lovie Smith? Both are laid-back managers, and are not really aggressive. Only one is really successful. Why is that?

 

So which is it? Is it better to be a laid-back manager, or an aggressive one that yells all the time?

 

Does it depend on the players the manager is suited for?

 

And now I think about what may happen to Piniella.. Good or bad.

 

The difference between Dusty and Lovie is that Dusty allowed his players to be laid back besides being laid back himself. Lovie does not allow his players to be laid back. He makes them work hard all the time. He doesn't allow people to slack.

[David]

Last night as I was too excited to go to sleep.. I started thinking.. What separates Dusty Baker and Lovie Smith? Both are laid-back managers, and are not really aggressive. Only one is really successful. Why is that?

 

So which is it? Is it better to be a laid-back manager, or an aggressive one that yells all the time?

 

Does it depend on the players the manager is suited for?

 

And now I think about what may happen to Piniella.. Good or bad.

 

It's because it has nothing to do with any of this, particularly in football.

 

 

Football is about game planning, strategizing, and scheming. In game coaching strategy plays a huge role in how a football game plays out.

 

Baseball, on the other hand, is more about not screwing it up. Set the lineups correctly, make the right pitching changes, but let the players play. This may be an oversimplification, but it's my take.

[cubs121]

im putting the over and under on how many this pages this thread has before the superbowl at 100 and im going over.

[Andy]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

It's called sarcasm. Dry your eyes.

It's been near impossible to tell the sarcasm from the genuine anger considering some of the discussions I've seen this playoffs.

[CP_414]

Last night as I was too excited to go to sleep.. I started thinking.. What separates Dusty Baker and Lovie Smith? Both are laid-back managers, and are not really aggressive. Only one is really successful. Why is that?

 

So which is it? Is it better to be a laid-back manager, or an aggressive one that yells all the time?

 

Does it depend on the players the manager is suited for?

 

And now I think about what may happen to Piniella.. Good or bad.

 

I think either style coach can have success. Coaching isn't about yelling at or being buddy-buddy with players, it's about getting the most out of players, and either style can do that. The differences between Lovie and Dusty (other than talent level of the team) are so great. Lovie has shown no reluctance to bench players while they are not performing, yet knows when to stick by a guy (Grossman). Lovie's team plays hard. Lovie's team doesn't make many fundamental mistakes. Lovie puts guys in position to have success. Dusty was a disaster.

[David]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

It's called sarcasm. Dry your eyes.

 

Yes, and he's politely telling you not to be a smart ass. He obviously knows it's sarcasm.

[RichHillIsABeast]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

It's called sarcasm. Dry your eyes.

It's been near impossible to tell the sarcasm from the genuine anger considering some of the discussions I've seen this playoffs.

 

True. True. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. It wasn't intentional.

[CP_414]

im putting the over and under on how many this pages this thread has before the superbowl at 100 and im going over.

 

Closer to 150 pages by kickoff.

[RichHillIsABeast]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

It's called sarcasm. Dry your eyes.

 

Yes, and he's politely telling you not to be a smart ass. He obviously knows it's sarcasm.

 

Actually, he didn't. Thanks for your $0.02.

 

Back to talking about football...

[Andy]

So you don't agree that Indy lost meaningful games to ho-hum competition down the stretch, or that the Bears rank much higher in the points scored vs given up department and have a better record?

 

The Bears also played the easiest schedule in the NFL, whereas the Colts had a middle of the pack strength of schedule... and the Bears' strength of victory was in the bottom third of the NFL, whereas the Colts' strength of victory was 4th in the NFL.

 

Yup. The Bears have no right to be in the Super Bowl. Where's the AP Poll when you need it?

Get over yourself. Truffle's making a case for Indy being a better team over the course of the year than the Bears (a case I find hard to argue with although I am also picking the Bears to win), not that the Bears have no right to be there. Recognize the difference before you make posts like that.

 

It's called sarcasm. Dry your eyes.

It's been near impossible to tell the sarcasm from the genuine anger considering some of the discussions I've seen this playoffs.

 

True. True. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. It wasn't intentional.

It's all good. I've been no stranger to arguments this football season...you'd think I'd be better at it by now. :)

[David]

 

Actually, he didn't. Thanks for your $0.02.

 

Back to talking about football...

 

I'm pretty sure anyone can recognize that statement as being sarcastic, despite what he said.

 

Not that it matters to me. If anything, I agree with you.

[Omar]

Last night as I was too excited to go to sleep.. I started thinking.. What separates Dusty Baker and Lovie Smith? Both are laid-back managers, and are not really aggressive. Only one is really successful. Why is that?

 

So which is it? Is it better to be a laid-back manager, or an aggressive one that yells all the time?

 

Does it depend on the players the manager is suited for?

 

And now I think about what may happen to Piniella.. Good or bad.

 

I think either style coach can have success. Coaching isn't about yelling at or being buddy-buddy with players, it's about getting the most out of players, and either style can do that. The differences between Lovie and Dusty (other than talent level of the team) are so great. Lovie has shown no reluctance to bench players while they are not performing, yet knows when to stick by a guy (Grossman). Lovie's team plays hard. Lovie's team doesn't make many fundamental mistakes. Lovie puts guys in position to have success. Dusty was a disaster.

 

I assume Lovie is more aggressive outside of the game, like practice & all. While Dusty is nowhere.

[Balsa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU5u2gViLFI

[Omar]

If you're ever being sarcastic online, put tags around the certain phrase you are being sarcastic.

 

Man law.