FoxSports-Cubs ink Lilly to four-year deal

[CubinNY]

Where can I find the stat of the "average innings pitched per start" of Lilly?

 

Take the number of innings pitched and divide by the number of starts.

[Yeti]

Where can I find the stat of the "average innings pitched per start" of Lilly?

runs in the 5 IP/start range....that concerns me too

edit: over the last 3 years anyway

[C.C.]

Where can I find the stat of the "average innings pitched per start" of Lilly?

 

Take the number of innings pitched and divide by the number of starts.

 

Thanks for his career its around 5.8 per start. Hmmm...That should spike up a bit for the NL.

[goonys evil twin]

Where can I find the stat of the "average innings pitched per start" of Lilly?

 

Take the number of innings pitched and divide by the number of starts.

 

Thanks for his career its around 5.8 per start. Hmmm...That should spike up a bit for the NL.

 

Then again, AL pitchers don't get pulled for pinch hitters. If he's giving up as many runs as he normally does, the Cubs might want to go to pinch hitters early, since their regular lineup, as currently constructed, isn't going to be bashing people on a regular basis.

[C.C.]

Where can I find the stat of the "average innings pitched per start" of Lilly?

 

Take the number of innings pitched and divide by the number of starts.

 

Thanks for his career its around 5.8 per start. Hmmm...That should spike up a bit for the NL.

 

Then again, AL pitchers don't get pulled for pinch hitters. If he's giving up as many runs as he normally does, the Cubs might want to go to pinch hitters early, since their regular lineup, as currently constructed, isn't going to be bashing people on a regular basis.

 

Good point.

[jyoung55]

Where can I find the stat of the "average innings pitched per start" of Lilly?

 

Take the number of innings pitched and divide by the number of starts.

 

Thanks for his career its around 5.8 per start. Hmmm...That should spike up a bit for the NL.

 

Then again, AL pitchers don't get pulled for pinch hitters. If he's giving up as many runs as he normally does, the Cubs might want to go to pinch hitters early, since their regular lineup, as currently constructed, isn't going to be bashing people on a regular basis.

 

Good point.

 

I dont know why everyone conceeds that this is a "good point." Any lineup with Soriano, Lee, Aramis and Barrett is going to score some runs. I'd rather have those top three than have my 2d and 3d best hitters be Rolen and Edmonds.

 

Anyways, back on topic, let's hope Lilly's numbers receive a bump in the positive direction after moving to the NL. At least we filled one of the many wholes in the rotation.

[goonys evil twin]

I dont know why everyone conceeds that this is a "good point." Any lineup with Soriano, Lee, Aramis and Barrett is going to score some runs.

 

Score some runs is nothing but an empty phrase. The Cubs have had the worst offense in the NL for a long time now, adding Soriano isn't going to make it the best. They've got a long way to go, and right now are probably nothing but above average.

[ConstableRabbit]

Who knows? Lilly could have a great year.

 

That's what I'm hoping for. Getting out of the dangerous-hitter-filled AL East should help a bit.

 

I wrote off Hill last season (as many others did as well) after a few (more) of his bad starts, but he seems to have figured it out. Maybe Lilly can find success in the NL Central.

 

please?

[jyoung55]

I dont know why everyone conceeds that this is a "good point." Any lineup with Soriano, Lee, Aramis and Barrett is going to score some runs.

 

Score some runs is nothing but an empty phrase. The Cubs have had the worst offense in the NL for a long time now, adding Soriano isn't going to make it the best. They've got a long way to go, and right now are probably nothing but above average.

 

That is a gross over sensationalization. Middle of the pack offense when moderately healthy the 3 years prior to 2006 would be an accurate statement. Combine additions with a new philosophy and one would hope that we would go to above middle of the pack in runs scored. So again... why does everyone concede that that is a "good point?"

[XZero771679666304]

I dont know why everyone conceeds that this is a "good point." Any lineup with Soriano, Lee, Aramis and Barrett is going to score some runs.

 

Score some runs is nothing but an empty phrase. The Cubs have had the worst offense in the NL for a long time now, adding Soriano isn't going to make it the best. They've got a long way to go, and right now are probably nothing but above average.

 

That is a gross over sensationalization. Middle of the pack offense when moderately healthy the 3 years prior to 2006 would be an accurate statement. Combine additions with a new philosophy and one would hope that we would go to above middle of the pack in runs scored. So again... why does everyone concede that that is a "good point?"

 

Injuries have sabotaged the offense recently, save last season when the personnel was already deficient to begin with.

 

Out of the 8 everyday players we have right now, 3 are star caliber offensively (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano), One is well above average for his position (Barrett), 2 are average (Murton, Jones), One is horrible (Izturis), and one could be below average to above average (DeRosa).

 

I can't imagine our offense, if healthy, would be any worse than above average.

[goonys evil twin]

I dont know why everyone conceeds that this is a "good point." Any lineup with Soriano, Lee, Aramis and Barrett is going to score some runs.

 

Score some runs is nothing but an empty phrase. The Cubs have had the worst offense in the NL for a long time now, adding Soriano isn't going to make it the best. They've got a long way to go, and right now are probably nothing but above average.

 

That is a gross over sensationalization. Middle of the pack offense when moderately healthy the 3 years prior to 2006 would be an accurate statement. Combine additions with a new philosophy and one would hope that we would go to above middle of the pack in runs scored. So again... why does everyone concede that that is a "good point?"

 

gross over sensationalization? okay megahyperbolicnonsensicalgibberish.

 

You think this offense is going to be great? I sure as heck don't. They are still quite weak in the most important stat needed for scoring runs, and that's OBP. This team is once again going to be an impatient non-walking hack machine. They shouldn't be as bad as before, but they were so bad at that before that they have a very long way to go to get to mediocre. Their physical talent will help them remain above average. But they need more help if they want to be great.

[Kellehers homer]

I don't think it's a given that the Cubs offense is going to be bad this year. Yes, the offense was brutal last year, but that was with Lee gone, Ronny Cedeno barely hitting his weight, A-Ram loafing until the season was pretty much decided ("Slappy" Pierre didn't do much the first half, either), and let's not forget Dusty's infatuation with... I can barely bring myself to type the word.... neifi.

 

With a healthy Lee, Soriano, Barrett refraining from decking everyone who crosses the plate, and a hopefully motivated A-Ram, I think this offense could be pretty decent. And I don't think Hendry is done—I don't see Monsieur Jones "patrolling" the outfield this season and unleashing those mighty throws that bounced before reaching the infield. Good riddance. I'm not counting on anything from Pie this year—and, to be honest, maybe ever. To my mind, he might be the next Ty Griffin (a "phenom" the Cubs drafted—one pick before the White Sox picked Robin Ventura, btw—who never panned out). Pie's numbers (.283, 15, 57) don't exactly scream Can't Miss.

[XZero771679666304]

I dont know why everyone conceeds that this is a "good point." Any lineup with Soriano, Lee, Aramis and Barrett is going to score some runs.

 

Score some runs is nothing but an empty phrase. The Cubs have had the worst offense in the NL for a long time now, adding Soriano isn't going to make it the best. They've got a long way to go, and right now are probably nothing but above average.

 

That is a gross over sensationalization. Middle of the pack offense when moderately healthy the 3 years prior to 2006 would be an accurate statement. Combine additions with a new philosophy and one would hope that we would go to above middle of the pack in runs scored. So again... why does everyone concede that that is a "good point?"

 

gross over sensationalization? okay megahyperbolicnonsensicalgibberish.

 

You think this offense is going to be great? I sure as heck don't. They are still quite weak in the most important stat needed for scoring runs, and that's OBP. This team is once again going to be an impatient non-walking hack machine. They shouldn't be as bad as before, but they were so bad at that before that they have a very long way to go to get to mediocre. Their physical talent will help them remain above average. But they need more help if they want to be great.

 

That's a bit of hyperbole.

 

At least half the lineup should have a OBP of .350+ (Lee, Ramirez, Murton, and Barrett), Soriano isn't a patient guy, but his OBP should be higher than Pierre's, And DeRosa and Jones should be at least .330 or better. If DeRosa replicates his 2006, that's an other .350+. Add guys that have been discussed like Lofton and Floyd, and there's a couple more .350+'s.

 

Other than Izturis, we aren't going to see as much of the .290-.310 OBP slugs that we have in the past few years. Neifi, Cedeno, Patterson, Macias, Mabry, etc. are all guys whose OBP have been well under .300 and have had significant presence in the lineup over the past couple seasons and are now gone. You can't completely dismiss the change in coaching philosophy, either.

 

The 2007 Cubs won't be an OBP machine, but will almost certainly be stronger in that department in recent years.

[goonys evil twin]

The 2007 Cubs won't be an OBP machine, but will almost certainly be stronger in that department in recent years.

 

That's what I said. But stronger than what they were doesn't mean good.

[XZero771679666304]

The 2007 Cubs won't be an OBP machine, but will almost certainly be stronger in that department in recent years.

 

That's what I said. But stronger than what they were doesn't mean good.

 

I'd be shocked if the 2007 doesn't tack on .015-.020 to the 2006 team OBP, which would put them in the upper half of the NL.

[CubinNY]

The 2007 Cubs won't be an OBP machine, but will almost certainly be stronger in that department in recent years.

 

That's what I said. But stronger than what they were doesn't mean good.

 

I'd be shocked if the 2007 doesn't tack on .015-.020 to the 2006 team OBP, which would put them in the upper half of the NL.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs are in the middle of the pack in terms of OBP.

 

Soriano is a career .325

DeRosa is a career .331

 

Sure the addition of Lee may help, but the Cubs haven't done much in the way of addressing a major weakness, yet. A weakness that they've had for the run of the Hendry GMship.

 

And if Soriano is leading off and DeRosa bats in the two slot I don't see a whole lot of improvement in the runs scored department aside from a lot of solo HRs from Soriano.

[TruffleShuffle]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

[goonys evil twin]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

 

Shocked? Are you kidding me? Shocked? You'd be shocked if he had an OBP that wasn't higher than his OBP in every season but 2006? I'm shocked any reasonable person would think this way. There's no way a .335 OBP can be a surprise to anybody next season.

[TruffleShuffle]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

 

Shocked? Are you kidding me? Shocked? You'd be shocked if he had an OBP that wasn't higher than his OBP in every season but 2006? I'm shocked any reasonable person would think this way. There's no way a .335 OBP can be a surprise to anybody next season.

 

He showed a huge jump in discipline last year, and will be hitting in a lineup with better players (Lee, Ramirez) behind him. Sosa's OBP jumped from .300 to .373 in a year when he learned how to control the plate, and it didn't go back under .350 until he got old. I'm betting that Soriano figured it out last year - I guess we'll see who's right.

[10man]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

 

Shocked? Are you kidding me? Shocked? You'd be shocked if he had an OBP that wasn't higher than his OBP in every season but 2006? I'm shocked any reasonable person would think this way. There's no way a .335 OBP can be a surprise to anybody next season.

 

He showed a huge jump in discipline last year, and will be hitting in a lineup with better players (Lee, Ramirez) behind him. Sosa's OBP jumped from .300 to .373 in a year when he learned how to control the plate, and it didn't go back under .350 until he got old. I'm betting that Soriano figured it out last year - I guess we'll see who's right.

should we create a poll for this? Goony vs. Truffle? :D

[goonys evil twin]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

 

Shocked? Are you kidding me? Shocked? You'd be shocked if he had an OBP that wasn't higher than his OBP in every season but 2006? I'm shocked any reasonable person would think this way. There's no way a .335 OBP can be a surprise to anybody next season.

 

He showed a huge jump in discipline last year, and will be hitting in a lineup with better players (Lee, Ramirez) behind him. Sosa's OBP jumped from .300 to .373 in a year when he learned how to control the plate, and it didn't go back under .350 until he got old. I'm betting that Soriano figured it out last year - I guess we'll see who's right.

 

Comparing him to Sosa is an absolute waste of time. They aren't even close to the same level. Soriano was barely over .340 last year. For all that discipline, he was still just .351. You'd be shocked by a .011 drop in OBP from a career year? That's just silly.

[goonys evil twin]

should we create a poll for this? Goony vs. Truffle? :D

 

What would be the question? I don't think it's crazy to predict an OBP over .340, I just think it's darn right silly to say you'd be shocked if he didn't surpass .340.

[C.C.]

Let's see Lilly try this with Sweet Lou!

 

youtube.com/watch?v=1h8jFzndKFo

[hawkeyecub]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

 

Shocked? Are you kidding me? Shocked? You'd be shocked if he had an OBP that wasn't higher than his OBP in every season but 2006? I'm shocked any reasonable person would think this way. There's no way a .335 OBP can be a surprise to anybody next season.

 

I wouldn't agree with being shocked, but I'm expecting him to put up a .340+ OBP.

 

In 706 AB's from the leadoff spot over the last three years he's had a .354 OBP. In '03 it was .342 in 627 AB's.

I don't know if there's any rhyme or reason to it, but he does get on base much more often from the leadoff spot. Hopefully the new hitting coach can help out a little bit as well.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Soriano is a career .325

 

I'll be shocked if Soriano isn't at least .340 next year.

 

Shocked? Are you kidding me? Shocked? You'd be shocked if he had an OBP that wasn't higher than his OBP in every season but 2006? I'm shocked any reasonable person would think this way. There's no way a .335 OBP can be a surprise to anybody next season.

 

Soriano is going to draw his share of IBB next season. Izturis/DeRosa aren't exactly threats.

 

Soriano's OBP will be fine.