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Dusty put him 2nd in three games to try and jump-start him. Didn't work.

 

Cedeno lead off for 2 games on 10 & 11 May (games # 33 & 34) out in SF. (Womack lead off the other game in early June). You could make the argument that this attempt to "jump start" Pierre did work.......

 

Pierre             AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
04/03 - 05/09     130   18   30    5    2    0   39    2    7   12  0.231  0.275  0.300  0.575
05/12 - 10/01     561   70  172   27   11    3  230   35   25   25  0.307  0.342  0.410  0.752

 

.... but the fact is, he really didn't starting hitting until the following week against the white sox.

thanks, Fred. That's why I love ya! (in a manly sorta way, of course! ;) )

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You accussed XZero of not reading what you wrote... but you did the same thing. Where did I say the offense would be great? I said above middle of the pack in runs scored... which is what started this... I said they would score some runs. And I think XZero has done a fine job making my other points so I'll leave it at that.

 

This whole thing started when I noted that Lilly might be getting pulled for pinch hitters early, if he keeps giving up runs at the same rate, (wait here while I get the quote) "since their regular lineup, as currently constructed, isn't going to be bashing people on a regular basis".

 

You took umbrage with the notion that this offense won't be bashing people on a regular basis. That pretty much means you said the offense would be great. If you bash people on a regular basis, you're a great lineup. That's what great lineups do. I don't think they'd be great.

 

You're wrong.

 

You have a future in politics.... oh wait... nevermind... the reign of sensationalization, half-truths, and contorting the facts will officially be completely over in two years. :wink:

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Contract details released...

 

Cubs signed LHP Ted Lilly, who had been with the Blue Jays, to a four-year, $40 million contract.

Lilly receives a $4 million signing bonus, payable next month, and salaries of $5 million in 2007, $7 million in 2008 and $12 million in each of the final two years. He reportedly could have received $5 million more from the Jays, but Toronto became less attractive to him after Rod Barajas backed out of his deal and Gregg Zaun was re-signed to act as the club's primary catcher. The league switch should be very good for Lilly's numbers, but considering that he seems to have some shoulder troubles every year and still hasn't thrown 200 innings in a season, he's only so good of an investment in fantasy leagues. He makes more sense as a late-round pick in shallow mixed leagues than as a $14-$15 guy in NL-only leagues.

 

So $5MM and $7MM the first two years isn't bad. A lot like the deferred salary of Soriano. Leaving a lot of space open forthe next 2-3 years to get more people it seems

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Contract details released...

 

Cubs signed LHP Ted Lilly, who had been with the Blue Jays, to a four-year, $40 million contract.

Lilly receives a $4 million signing bonus, payable next month, and salaries of $5 million in 2007, $7 million in 2008 and $12 million in each of the final two years. He reportedly could have received $5 million more from the Jays, but Toronto became less attractive to him after Rod Barajas backed out of his deal and Gregg Zaun was re-signed to act as the club's primary catcher. The league switch should be very good for Lilly's numbers, but considering that he seems to have some shoulder troubles every year and still hasn't thrown 200 innings in a season, he's only so good of an investment in fantasy leagues. He makes more sense as a late-round pick in shallow mixed leagues than as a $14-$15 guy in NL-only leagues.

 

So $5MM and $7MM the first two years isn't bad. A lot like the deferred salary of Soriano. Leaving a lot of space open forthe next 2-3 years to get more people it seems

 

It's the 2-3 years after the first 2-3 that are going to be a BIG problem. It's a lot of aging, good to mediocre talent that will be in a decline; while their salaries are on a major rise. It's going to hurt us no matter who owns this team.

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Contract details released...

 

Cubs signed LHP Ted Lilly, who had been with the Blue Jays, to a four-year, $40 million contract.

Lilly receives a $4 million signing bonus, payable next month, and salaries of $5 million in 2007, $7 million in 2008 and $12 million in each of the final two years. He reportedly could have received $5 million more from the Jays, but Toronto became less attractive to him after Rod Barajas backed out of his deal and Gregg Zaun was re-signed to act as the club's primary catcher. The league switch should be very good for Lilly's numbers, but considering that he seems to have some shoulder troubles every year and still hasn't thrown 200 innings in a season, he's only so good of an investment in fantasy leagues. He makes more sense as a late-round pick in shallow mixed leagues than as a $14-$15 guy in NL-only leagues.

 

So $5MM and $7MM the first two years isn't bad. A lot like the deferred salary of Soriano. Leaving a lot of space open forthe next 2-3 years to get more people it seems

 

It's only not too bad if they use that space to sign others, and significantly increase the payroll in future years.

 

 

With all the backloading of deals, I'm not sure the 2007 Cubs payroll will be any higher than $105 million.

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Contract details released...

 

Cubs signed LHP Ted Lilly, who had been with the Blue Jays, to a four-year, $40 million contract.

Lilly receives a $4 million signing bonus, payable next month, and salaries of $5 million in 2007, $7 million in 2008 and $12 million in each of the final two years. He reportedly could have received $5 million more from the Jays, but Toronto became less attractive to him after Rod Barajas backed out of his deal and Gregg Zaun was re-signed to act as the club's primary catcher. The league switch should be very good for Lilly's numbers, but considering that he seems to have some shoulder troubles every year and still hasn't thrown 200 innings in a season, he's only so good of an investment in fantasy leagues. He makes more sense as a late-round pick in shallow mixed leagues than as a $14-$15 guy in NL-only leagues.

 

So $5MM and $7MM the first two years isn't bad. A lot like the deferred salary of Soriano. Leaving a lot of space open forthe next 2-3 years to get more people it seems

 

It's only not too bad if they use that space to sign others, and significantly increase the payroll in future years.

 

 

With all the backloading of deals, I'm not sure the 2007 Cubs payroll will be any higher than $105 million.

I mentioned this briefly before but how will these backloaded deals handcuff future signings for us for current (Z)and FA players in the future?

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I can't ever remember seeing such a hugely backloaded deal before.

 

It's not that bad. If I remember right Bagwell and Biggio had huge backloaded deals.

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I can't ever remember seeing such a hugely backloaded deal before.

 

It's not that bad. If I remember right Bagwell and Biggio had huge backloaded deals.

 

Pettitte, too. The Astros really had a thing for those backloaded contracts.

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I can't ever remember seeing such a hugely backloaded deal before.

 

It's not that bad. If I remember right Bagwell and Biggio had huge backloaded deals.

 

Pettitte, too. The Astros really had a thing for those backloaded contracts.

 

I call it the Enron effect :wink:

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I can't ever remember seeing such a hugely backloaded deal before.

 

It's not that bad. If I remember right Bagwell and Biggio had huge backloaded deals.

 

Yeah but talentwise Bagwell and Biggio were a different class of baseball player than Ted Lilly.

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