Time to Move on Ryan Church

[VanceJergins]

Rotoworld:

 

Chris Snelling's imminent arrival in Washington will likely further increase the chances that Ryan Church is dealt this winter.

Snelling and Church are both left-handed hitters who fit best in left field, though they do have some experience in center. It's unlikely that the Nationals will need both, and Church appeared to be on the way out anyway. We're guessing the starting job will be Snelling's to lose in spring training. Michael Restovich could act as his platoon partner.

 

Hendry....phone....now.

:roll:

 

I move to ban roll eyes.

 

Well. I don't mind them. I just don't understand why they're being used here.

:roll:

[b_wiggy_66]

Get Church Hendry then trade Jones for some quality prospects.

[Tracer Bullet]

Rotoworld:

 

Chris Snelling's imminent arrival in Washington will likely further increase the chances that Ryan Church is dealt this winter.

Snelling and Church are both left-handed hitters who fit best in left field, though they do have some experience in center. It's unlikely that the Nationals will need both, and Church appeared to be on the way out anyway. We're guessing the starting job will be Snelling's to lose in spring training. Michael Restovich could act as his platoon partner.

 

Hendry....phone....now.

:roll:

 

Wait, what? What do those eyes mean, in this context?

[Soul]

I believe Church to Chicago is deader than a doornail.

[StMarksCubs]

Rotoworld:

 

Chris Snelling's imminent arrival in Washington will likely further increase the chances that Ryan Church is dealt this winter.

Snelling and Church are both left-handed hitters who fit best in left field, though they do have some experience in center. It's unlikely that the Nationals will need both, and Church appeared to be on the way out anyway. We're guessing the starting job will be Snelling's to lose in spring training. Michael Restovich could act as his platoon partner.

 

Hendry....phone....now.

:roll:

 

Wait, what? What do those eyes mean, in this context?

 

I think the chances of this getting done are slim to none. Bowden is a b*tch to deal with and always asks for the farm.

[erik316wttn]

I believe Church to Chicago is deader than a doornail.

 

Was he ever a realistic possibility?

[goonys evil twin]

I believe Church to Chicago is deader than a doornail.

 

Was he ever a realistic possibility?

 

I don't see why not. Hendry wants LH bats, he wants CF help, but not anybody that would require a longterm solution. And Washington could be willing to get rid of him. I don't see how it couldn't be realistic.

[RynoRules]

I believe Church to Chicago is deader than a doornail.

 

Was he ever a realistic possibility?

 

I don't see why not. Hendry wants LH bats, he wants CF help, but not anybody that would require a longterm solution. And Washington could be willing to get rid of him. I don't see how it couldn't be realistic.

 

I agree - it makes a lot of sense.

[Soul]

I believe Church to Chicago is deader than a doornail.

 

Was he ever a realistic possibility?

 

I don't see why not. Hendry wants LH bats, he wants CF help, but not anybody that would require a longterm solution. And Washington could be willing to get rid of him. I don't see how it couldn't be realistic.

 

I agree - it makes a lot of sense.

 

I'm just basing it on the past couple comments I've heard where Cub officials haven't even mentioned Church, combined with the reports that the Nats are asking alot in return.

 

It just seems like they took him off the table and are looking for other options.

[goonys evil twin]

I believe Church to Chicago is deader than a doornail.

 

Was he ever a realistic possibility?

 

I don't see why not. Hendry wants LH bats, he wants CF help, but not anybody that would require a longterm solution. And Washington could be willing to get rid of him. I don't see how it couldn't be realistic.

 

I agree - it makes a lot of sense.

 

I'm just basing it on the past couple comments I've heard where Cub officials haven't even mentioned Church, combined with the reports that the Nats are asking alot in return.

 

It just seems like they took him off the table and are looking for other options.

 

I could definitely see it being dead now, I just don't see how it was ever not a realistic possibility. Getting ARod for Izturis is not a realistic possibility, Church was realistic.

[Mad Ducks]

For the life of me, I can not see why everyone is so high on Church. Living about 10 minutes from RFK, I have seen a lot of Nats games. Church to me is a similar to Jones.....plus, most of his teamates can't stand him for his preaching and ego...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

[fromthestretch]

For the life of me, I can not see why everyone is so high on Church. Living about 10 minutes from RFK, I have seen a lot of Nats games. Church to me is a similar to Jones.....plus, most of his teamates can't stand him for his preaching and ego...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

If Church is nothing more than a fourth outfielder, Pagan is nothing more than AAA roster filler. Church is way more productive than Pagan. As for the comparison to Jones, Church walks more, hits lefties better, is cheaper, and is younger.

 

I'm not against using Jones in CF this season. However, if some team is looking for a veteran outfielder with a relatively decent contract and is willing to give up talent in return for him, then the Cubs should look into dealing him.

[cheapseats]

...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

.276 .366 .526

.247 .306 .394

 

I wouldn't hire you to be a GM.

[Mad Ducks]

...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

.276 .366 .526

.247 .306 .394

 

I wouldn't hire you to be a GM.

 

I wouldn't want to be a GM :D

 

Watch how fast everyone sours on Church if he is traded for. Doesn't it sound odd that a team that needs good OF'ers is looking to deal Church, even before the acquired Snell......

 

My point about Jones is that for every plus, Church makes some bonehead moves in the outfield and on the bases....

[goonys evil twin]

...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

.276 .366 .526

.247 .306 .394

 

I wouldn't hire you to be a GM.

 

I wouldn't want to be a GM :D

 

Watch how fast everyone sours on Church if he is traded for. Doesn't it sound odd that a team that needs good OF'ers is looking to deal Church, even before the acquired Snell......

 

My point about Jones is that for every plus, Church makes some bonehead moves in the outfield and on the bases....

 

And what about the point about Pagan? He's much worse and can't even be considered a 4th OF.

[fromthestretch]

...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

.276 .366 .526

.247 .306 .394

 

I wouldn't hire you to be a GM.

 

I wouldn't want to be a GM :D

 

Watch how fast everyone sours on Church if he is traded for. Doesn't it sound odd that a team that needs good OF'ers is looking to deal Church, even before the acquired Snell......

 

My point about Jones is that for every plus, Church makes some bonehead moves in the outfield and on the bases....

 

Well, after watching Alou and Jones make bonehead moves on defense and on the bases, we should be used to that as Cubs fans. However, Church provides more upside on offense than Jones and at a much lower price.

[Mad Ducks]

...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

.276 .366 .526

.247 .306 .394

 

I wouldn't hire you to be a GM.

 

I wouldn't want to be a GM :D

 

Watch how fast everyone sours on Church if he is traded for. Doesn't it sound odd that a team that needs good OF'ers is looking to deal Church, even before the acquired Snell......

 

My point about Jones is that for every plus, Church makes some bonehead moves in the outfield and on the bases....

 

And what about the point about Pagan? He's much worse and can't even be considered a 4th OF.

 

I would rather keep Guzman, Marmol, or Marshall then trade them for Church....and therefore rather have Pagan then Church....

[BigbadB]

I would rather keep Guzman, Marmol, or Marshall then trade them for Church....and therefore rather have Pagan then Church....

 

That would be a good plan if you want to win the AAA championship. I hope Hendry is shooting a little higher than that.

[Soul]

On a team that appears to still be power-challenged, I'd say Pagan is someone who should be avoided. Even kept off the 25-man entirely.

 

We still need more pop.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

...I would rather have Pagan on the team then Church.....he is nothing more than a 4th outfielder....

 

.276 .366 .526

.247 .306 .394

 

I wouldn't hire you to be a GM.

 

I wouldn't want to be a GM :D

 

Watch how fast everyone sours on Church if he is traded for. Doesn't it sound odd that a team that needs good OF'ers is looking to deal Church, even before the acquired Snell......

 

My point about Jones is that for every plus, Church makes some bonehead moves in the outfield and on the bases....

 

And what about the point about Pagan? He's much worse and can't even be considered a 4th OF.

 

I would rather keep Guzman, Marmol, or Marshall then trade them for Church....and therefore rather have Pagan then Church....

 

I'd easily trade any of those three in a deal for Church, and then toss in Pagan as well.

 

Guzman, Marshall, and Marmol may have value, but not as much as Church would bring to the team.

[XZero771679666304]

On a team that appears to still be power-challenged, I'd say Pagan is someone who should be avoided. Even kept off the 25-man entirely.

 

We still need more pop.

 

Power challenged? If the Cubs keep Jones, they will have above average power at at least 5 positions. Here are my personal HR predictions:

 

Soriano - 40

DeRosa - 10-15

Lee - 35-40

Ramirez - 35-40

Jones - 25

Barrett - 15-20

Murton - 20

Izturis - 2

 

That's 182-202 home runs from the starting lineup alone. I actually believe Lee and Sori will hit over 40.

 

 

And the bench:

 

Ward - 7-10

Pagan - 5-7

Blanco - 3-5

Theriot - 2-3

Cedeno - 1-2

 

That's 220-229. Figure at least 5-6 from the pitching staff, and you have around 225-235 homers, either number squarely in the top 5 of all MLB teams. Add Floyd and that number will only go up.

 

OBP challenged maybe, but not power challenged, barring injury.

[tkenm356]

On a team that appears to still be power-challenged, I'd say Pagan is someone who should be avoided. Even kept off the 25-man entirely.

 

We still need more pop.

 

We didn't have pop last year. This year we have plenty... you have to figure the following

 

- Ramirez, Lee, and Soriano will be good for 30+HR

- Jones will be good for 25+HR (assuming he's still here)

- Murton could be good for 20+HR if he hits the way he did toward the end of the season

- A full season of Barrett could be good for 15+HR

 

We'll hit plenty if HR, last year we sucked cause our big hitter went down with an injury leaving us with Ramirez and Jones to fill the power void. We were 9th in HR last year. If you facotr in a minimum of 30Hr that Lee could've added, it would've put us at 5th place. Go a little further and make it 40HR, we'd have been 4th. With Lee back, Ramirez having no pressure, and Soriano's bat in the lineup, barring any major injuries we'll likely be tops in the NL in HR. Not that it means anything, our OBP still might suck

[XZero771679666304]

On a team that appears to still be power-challenged, I'd say Pagan is someone who should be avoided. Even kept off the 25-man entirely.

 

We still need more pop.

 

We didn't have pop last year. This year we have plenty... you have to figure the following

 

- Ramirez, Lee, and Soriano will be good for 30+HR

- Jones will be good for 25+HR (assuming he's still here)

- Murton could be good for 20+HR if he hits the way he did toward the end of the season

- A full season of Barrett could be good for 15+HR

 

We'll hit plenty if HR, last year we sucked cause our big hitter went down with an injury leaving us with Ramirez and Jones to fill the power void. We were 9th in HR last year. If you facotr in a minimum of 30Hr that Lee could've added, it would've put us at 5th place. Go a little further and make it 40HR, we'd have been 4th. With Lee back, Ramirez having no pressure, and Soriano's bat in the lineup, barring any major injuries we'll likely be tops in the NL in HR. Not that it means anything, our OBP still might suck

 

And a ton of doubles and triples, in all likelihood. It's the OBP that is critical.

[Backtobanks]

On a team that appears to still be power-challenged, I'd say Pagan is someone who should be avoided. Even kept off the 25-man entirely.

 

We still need more pop.

 

Power challenged? If the Cubs keep Jones, they will have above average power at at least 5 positions. Here are my personal HR predictions:

 

Soriano - 40

DeRosa - 10-15

Lee - 35-40

Ramirez - 35-40

Jones - 25

Barrett - 15-20

Murton - 20

Izturis - 2

 

That's 182-202 home runs from the starting lineup alone. I actually believe Lee and Sori will hit over 40.

 

 

And the bench:

 

Ward - 7-10

Pagan - 5-7

Blanco - 3-5

Theriot - 2-3

Cedeno - 1-2

 

That's 220-229. Figure at least 5-6 from the pitching staff, and you have around 225-235 homers, either number squarely in the top 5 of all MLB teams. Add Floyd and that number will only go up.

 

OBP challenged maybe, but not power challenged, barring injury.

 

Zambrano and Marquis might get 10 between them.

[XZero771679666304]

On a team that appears to still be power-challenged, I'd say Pagan is someone who should be avoided. Even kept off the 25-man entirely.

 

We still need more pop.

 

Power challenged? If the Cubs keep Jones, they will have above average power at at least 5 positions. Here are my personal HR predictions:

 

Soriano - 40

DeRosa - 10-15

Lee - 35-40

Ramirez - 35-40

Jones - 25

Barrett - 15-20

Murton - 20

Izturis - 2

 

That's 182-202 home runs from the starting lineup alone. I actually believe Lee and Sori will hit over 40.

 

 

And the bench:

 

Ward - 7-10

Pagan - 5-7

Blanco - 3-5

Theriot - 2-3

Cedeno - 1-2

 

That's 220-229. Figure at least 5-6 from the pitching staff, and you have around 225-235 homers, either number squarely in the top 5 of all MLB teams. Add Floyd and that number will only go up.

 

OBP challenged maybe, but not power challenged, barring injury.

 

Zambrano and Marquis might get 10 between them.

 

I was trying to be conservative.