ESPN 1000 - Cubs are going after Schmidt next

[erik316wttn]

Gammons sees Schmidt to Seattle or Cubs as a "real possibility."

 

He didn't say too much other than that.

[goonys evil twin]

Bruce have you heard anything on the Schmidt front?

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in those reports.

 

Why?

 

Uh, maybe because no such offer has been made.

 

Gammons talked about it, but all he said was the Cubs offered a 3-year deal. He talked about the other teams more so than the Cubs. Although he did list the Cubs as possible.

 

Bruce, do you think an offer was made, but the reported number is wrong? Or do you think there was no offer at all?

[CoolHandLuke]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Uh, maybe because no such offer has been made.

 

I'm going to believe Bruce on this.

[Chocolate Milk]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Bruce says this isn't true. Then again, Gammons is on the 20 dollar bill so it's hard to believe he's not right. I'm perplexed here.

[goonys evil twin]

Manny/Drew/Boston talk, something intense will begin after the weekend.

 

white sox possible

 

Manny to the White Sox is possible? Or did that refer to Drew?

 

When talking about Manny, he referred to Boston getting Drew done soon (or first maybe), then referred to the White Sox as possible destination for Manny. He talked about SF, but said he didn't think they'd have what it takes.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

Bruce have you heard anything on the Schmidt front?

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in those reports.

 

Why?

 

Uh, maybe because no such offer has been made.

You mean we can't believe every rumor? I'm shocked. :D

 

Thanks for keeping us informed!

[TruffleShuffle]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Uh, maybe because no such offer has been made.

 

I'm going to believe Bruce on this.

 

well, the graphic that ESPN put up said that the Cubs had offered 3 years, $44M, which is exactly what was in the SF newspaper this morning. So, I'm sure Gammons didn't come up with that on his own. I'd like to think that he didn't just repeat what he heard secondhand from a newspaper - that's not the sort of thing a Hall of Fame baseball reporter should do - but who knows.

[Bruce Miles]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Bruce says this isn't true. Then again, Gammons is on the 20 dollar bill so it's hard to believe he's not right. I'm perplexed here.

 

I don't believe an offer was made. Remember, agents like to float a lot of things, especially to get the market going.

[UK1679666180]

Anyone else concerned about the declining strikeouts?

[goonys evil twin]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Uh, maybe because no such offer has been made.

 

I'm going to believe Bruce on this.

 

"No such offer" might just mean it's not 3/44. The Cubs could have offered 3/27, and both Peter and Bruce would be right. The question is whether Bruce thinks the Cubs made any offer at all.

 

Peter's version of the story wasn't a strong reiteration of the 3/44 story. In fact, I may have missed the exact words but he might have said something like "there are reports the Cubs offered a 3-year deal" instead of outright claiming they offered a 3-year deal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bruce, do the Cubs have interest in Schmidt?

 

How strong is their interest in him if they have any?

[UMFan83]

Bruce, you are such a buzzkill today :)

[CoolHandLuke]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Bruce says this isn't true. Then again, Gammons is on the 20 dollar bill so it's hard to believe he's not right. I'm perplexed here.

 

I don't believe an offer was made. Remember, agents like to float a lot of things, especially to get the market going.

 

Do you believe that they are interested enough to make an offer in the 3-4 year range at close to 15 per year? Have you heard anything about the Igawa bid?

 

thanks Bruce.

[TruffleShuffle]

Manny/Drew/Boston talk, something intense will begin after the weekend.

 

white sox possible

 

Manny to the White Sox is possible? Or did that refer to Drew?

 

When talking about Manny, he referred to Boston getting Drew done soon (or first maybe), then referred to the White Sox as possible destination for Manny. He talked about SF, but said he didn't think they'd have what it takes.

 

Yeah... it seemed like he was of the opinion that the Red Sox are determined to deal Ramirez. The two teams most rumored to be interested are the Giants, who are interested, but don't have that much to offer. Then there's the Dodgers, who would also be interested, but he doesn't think they'd deal three good prospects (although if I were them, I would). So he was throwing out other options, and the one he put out there was the White Sox.

[Bruce Miles]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Bruce says this isn't true. Then again, Gammons is on the 20 dollar bill so it's hard to believe he's not right. I'm perplexed here.

 

I don't believe an offer was made. Remember, agents like to float a lot of things, especially to get the market going.

 

Do you believe that they are interested enough to make an offer in the 3-4 year range at close to 15 per year? Have you heard anything about the Igawa bid?

 

thanks Bruce.

 

I don't believe the Cubs will go $15 mil per year for Schmidt. Don't get too excited worrying about Igawa. He'll land elsehwere.

[Chocolate Milk]

Manny/Drew/Boston talk, something intense will begin after the weekend.

 

white sox possible

 

Manny to the White Sox is possible? Or did that refer to Drew?

 

When talking about Manny, he referred to Boston getting Drew done soon (or first maybe), then referred to the White Sox as possible destination for Manny. He talked about SF, but said he didn't think they'd have what it takes.

 

Yeah... it seemed like he was of the opinion that the Red Sox are determined to deal Ramirez. The two teams most rumored to be interested are the Giants, who are interested, but don't have that much to offer. Then there's the Dodgers, who would also be interested, but he doesn't think they'd deal three good prospects (although if I were them, I would). So he was throwing out other options, and the one he put out there was the White Sox.

 

Sounds like speculation based on what the W. Sox could offer? Thanks for the clarification.

[goonys evil twin]

well, the graphic that ESPN put up said that the Cubs had offered 3 years, $44M, which is exactly what was in the SF newspaper this morning. So, I'm sure Gammons didn't come up with that on his own. I'd like to think that he didn't just repeat what he heard secondhand from a newspaper - that's not the sort of thing a Hall of Fame baseball reporter should do - but who knows.

 

I wasn't paying very close attention. But Gammons never said 3/44 himself. ESPN could put up any graphic they want when he speaks. That doesn't mean he endorses the graphic. I just heard him sort of non chalantly mention a 3 year offer by the Cubs, but I couldn't tell if he was just stating that there are reports of such an offer, or that he believes there was an offer.

[frostwyrm]

This has been mentioned, but just wanted to say that ESPN's rumor mill picked up the 3/44 rumor:

 

Cubs shelling out for Schmidt?

Nov 28 - According to The San Francisco Chronicle, the Cubs have offered free-agent starter Jason Schmidt a three-year deal worth $44 million.

 

Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors

 

Hendry will bid 4/60 soon. Would rather have written off 2007 and given our stable of 4A pitchers a chance to earn a rotation spot, then evaluate and address needs in the offseason. Sadly that ship has sailed(sigh).

 

Was there even a ship to begin with? Outside of Hill, our current crop of youngsters ain't too pretty. I'm thinking some of them will improve, but do you really think any of them until Veal and Gallagher would improve THAT much?

 

I don't know, but it would have been nice to find out. Not having humongous bubble-year contracts on the books for the next half decade would have been cool too.

 

Hopefully you weren't one of the people saying "please I don't care what you have to do, just win a World Series" during last season. Look the fans want to win now, and that is what the management is trying to do. I know its completely short sighted and we'll regret it, but within reason, I'll worry about the future in the future.

 

In terms of our 'crops' of pitchers, I saw enough of that last year.

No, just the opposite. I wanted a quick fall from contention in 2006. I thought the Cubs could make a nice run in 2007 if they played their cards right, but they didn't. Thanks to a big increase in payroll the Cubs look possibly viable as a 2007 contender, but only at the expense of the future. IMO far too much of the payroll is going to be locked up in multiyear deals that we will regret.

[goonys evil twin]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Bruce says this isn't true. Then again, Gammons is on the 20 dollar bill so it's hard to believe he's not right. I'm perplexed here.

 

I don't believe an offer was made. Remember, agents like to float a lot of things, especially to get the market going.

 

Do you believe that they are interested enough to make an offer in the 3-4 year range at close to 15 per year? Have you heard anything about the Igawa bid?

 

thanks Bruce.

 

I don't believe the Cubs will go $15 mil per year for Schmidt. Don't get too excited worrying about Igawa. He'll land elsehwere.

 

Are we going to be seeing Gil Meche and Jason Marquis next year? Because that wouldn't be cool.

[TruffleShuffle]

Peter's version of the story wasn't a strong reiteration of the 3/44 story. In fact, I may have missed the exact words but he might have said something like "there are reports the Cubs offered a 3-year deal" instead of outright claiming they offered a 3-year deal.

 

On further review (DVR):

 

"I know the Cubs have offered him a three-year deal", and the graphic on the screen said "Reportedly offered 3 years, $44M deal by Cubs"

[RynoRules]

Peter's version of the story wasn't a strong reiteration of the 3/44 story. In fact, I may have missed the exact words but he might have said something like "there are reports the Cubs offered a 3-year deal" instead of outright claiming they offered a 3-year deal.

 

On further review (DVR):

 

"I know the Cubs have offered him a three-year deal", and the graphic on the screen said "Reportedly offered 3 years, $44M deal by Cubs"

 

 

:shock:

 

:D

[goonys evil twin]

No, just the opposite. I wanted a quick fall from contention in 2006. I thought the Cubs could make a nice run in 2007 if they played their cards right, but they didn't. Thanks to a big increase in payroll the Cubs look possibly viable as a 2007 contender, but only at the expense of the future. IMO far too much of the payroll is going to be locked up in multiyear deals that we will regret.

 

I'm just not convinced the future has been expensed. The talent is all still intact. And if any of those guys were any good, they will also be cheap for a good while longer, so that value can makeup for overpaying older guys.

 

There is definite risk to the future. But you can't win in this game without taking risks. You have to be in it to win it.

[Banedon]

So George Offman lied to me. Boooo.

[Shilzzz]

Peter's version of the story wasn't a strong reiteration of the 3/44 story. In fact, I may have missed the exact words but he might have said something like "there are reports the Cubs offered a 3-year deal" instead of outright claiming they offered a 3-year deal.

 

On further review (DVR):

 

"I know the Cubs have offered him a three-year deal", and the graphic on the screen said "Reportedly offered 3 years, $44M deal by Cubs"

 

 

:shock:

 

:D

 

how does peter gammons know? did he see the contract?

[Bruno7481]

well, all Gammons said was that the Cubs have offered him a 3 year deal, and he things Seattle or the Cubs are real possibilities

 

Bruce says this isn't true. Then again, Gammons is on the 20 dollar bill so it's hard to believe he's not right. I'm perplexed here.

 

I don't believe an offer was made. Remember, agents like to float a lot of things, especially to get the market going.

 

Do you believe that they are interested enough to make an offer in the 3-4 year range at close to 15 per year? Have you heard anything about the Igawa bid?

 

thanks Bruce.

 

I don't believe the Cubs will go $15 mil per year for Schmidt. Don't get too excited worrying about Igawa. He'll land elsehwere.

 

Are we going to be seeing Gil Meche and Jason Marquis next year? Because that wouldn't be cool.

 

Just thnk of the intense battle for best hitting pitcher between Zambrano and Marquis!

 

:wink: