College Football - Week of 11/25

[soccer10k]

BCS Bowls:

 

Nat Title: OSU v USC

Rose Bowl: Michigan v

Fiesta Bowl: Boise St. v Oklahoma/Nebraska

Orange Bowl: Wake Forest/Georgia Tech v

Sugar Bowl: Florida/Arkansas v

 

Where does Louisville go?

 

At large potential for:

Notre Dame

Florida/Arkansas loser

LSU

West Virginia

 

The Rose will get the first choice of the at large because USC is going to the title game. I think Florida would get a BCS bowl if they lose to Arkansas in the SEC title game. If Arkansas loses, then LSU gets a berth. West Virginia will depend on how much they drop and if they beat Rutgers. Should be interesting.

 

Note: I had Auburn and Rutgers on here but I don't think they'll make it.

 

ETA: Louisville line.

 

I see the Rose Bowl picking an SEC team for TV purposes. Florida (if they lose) or LSU. SEC vs Big Ten works well for TV purposes when it comes to the bowls. The sugar will take Louisville.

 

That leaves the Orange Bowl. If Georgia Tech wins would they jump at a ND-GT rematch or go in another direction? That's the problem for ND is that two of the bowls could present possible rematches with ND. Obviously if Wake Forest wins then this problem is averted.

 

I may be missing something but where does the Big East winner fit in? Either Rutgers or Louisville will have an automatic bid that I didn't see listed.

If I'm not mistaken, I think the BE winner will go to the Sugar Bowl (someone correct me if I'm wrong). That would mean:

 

Nat Title: OSU v USC

Rose Bowl: Michigan v

Fiesta Bowl: Boise St. v Oklahoma/Nebraska

Orange Bowl: Wake Forest/Georgia Tech v

Sugar Bowl: Florida/Arkansas v Rutgers/Louisville

 

leaving loser of BE and loser of SEC championship plus LSU and Notre Dame to fill two spots.

Arkansas and Rutgers are out if they lose, which would solve the problem. If they don't both lose, ND could miss a BCS berth.

 

The Big East doesn't have a BCS bowl tie in so they are treated like an at-large team that gets "selected" by a bowl.

Um, since when? I thought the Big East champ got an automatic bid to a BCS game.

 

You misinterpreted what I said. They don't have a direct BCS bowl tie in a la Big 10 and Pac 10 to the Rose, etc. The conference champ does get an automatic bid but during the selection process they get treated as an at large meaning a bowl will select them. The difference is the Big East champ must be selected.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Yeah, I caught it right before you posted. My bad.

[soccer10k]

Notre Dame will probably be a very large West Virginia fan next week.

 

Yes they will. If Rutgers wins the Big East, ND could be left out of the BCS. That makes me smile just thinking about it.

[dew1679666265]

I don't want to hear crap from any ND fan. This is your team, you deserve this for how highly hyped up they were from day one.

 

Legacy of Brady Quinn: No big wins, against anyone. Heisman? Are you joking?

 

The Great, fat, Charlie Weis: Not a single big win, best game of his career is a loss to USC in 2005. Wow.

 

I can't believe what Bob Davie was blubbering out while he watched his beloved Irish go down: "Look, the only losses this team has had in the past year has been to three top 5 teams!"

 

Yeah, and you got blown out in every single one of them.

 

There are only 2 legitimate teams on the schedule, and ND lost by 20+ to each of them. Congrats.

 

The Irish are back, indeed!

 

First off, I agree the early season hype was overblown but your other criticisms are inaccurate, I believe.

Second, I am not a Notre Dame fan.

Now, the best game of Weis' career was not the USC loss. It could have been the win over Michigan last year, or Tennessee the same year (granted we were 5-6 but our defense was great and ND put up 41, which is impressive). It could also be his win over potential ACC champs (in a weak year, granted) Georgia Tech.

Which brings me to my next point, by legit do you mean National Championship contenders? If so, there aren't many teams who have done well against two NC contenders this year, I would wager. Otherwise, they've gone 1-2 against legitiamately good teams this year (W over Ga Tech, Ls to USC and Michigan).

So yes, the hype from early this year was a little silly, but to say they have proven nothing is also out of line.

[Andy]

USC is a good football team.

 

I love the crap out of Weis, but this team laid up two stinkbombs in the two biggest games of the year. And I have no idea why.

 

Quinn's stats belie that he was missing his most dependable target (Carlson) and Rhema/Freeman played like crap, combining for about 10 drops. His receivers and Oline screwed him on a couple of occasions. He played very well considering the circumstances, especially since he played hurt. Hope he enjoys the trip to NY although he obviously won't win the Heisman.

 

I echo DCF. Thanks for the awful secondary, Ty. If ever there was proof that Weis will need a couple more years of recruits to make this team a real contender, this game was it. Just not enough talent yet.

 

Let's have Arkansas please win the SEC title game. That way the Rose Bowl can take Florida to avoid the ridiculousness of an ND/UM rematch.

 

All that said, this post is absurd with no further comment:

 

I don't want to hear crap from any ND fan. This is your team, you deserve this for how highly hyped up they were from day one.

 

Legacy of Brady Quinn: No big wins, against anyone. Heisman? Are you joking?

 

The Great, fat, Charlie Weis: Not a single big win, best game of his career is a loss to USC in 2005. Wow.

 

I can't believe what Bob Davie was blubbering out while he watched his beloved Irish go down: "Look, the only losses this team has had in the past year has been to three top 5 teams!"

 

Yeah, and you got blown out in every single one of them.

 

There are only 2 legitimate teams on the schedule, and ND lost by 20+ to each of them. Congrats.

 

The Irish are back, indeed!

[dew1679666265]

BCS Bowls:

 

Nat Title: OSU v USC

Rose Bowl: Michigan v

Fiesta Bowl: Boise St. v Oklahoma/Nebraska

Orange Bowl: Wake Forest/Georgia Tech v

Sugar Bowl: Florida/Arkansas v

 

Where does Louisville go?

 

At large potential for:

Notre Dame

Florida/Arkansas loser

LSU

West Virginia

 

The Rose will get the first choice of the at large because USC is going to the title game. I think Florida would get a BCS bowl if they lose to Arkansas in the SEC title game. If Arkansas loses, then LSU gets a berth. West Virginia will depend on how much they drop and if they beat Rutgers. Should be interesting.

 

Note: I had Auburn and Rutgers on here but I don't think they'll make it.

 

ETA: Louisville line.

 

I see the Rose Bowl picking an SEC team for TV purposes. Florida (if they lose) or LSU. SEC vs Big Ten works well for TV purposes when it comes to the bowls. The sugar will take Louisville.

 

That leaves the Orange Bowl. If Georgia Tech wins would they jump at a ND-GT rematch or go in another direction? That's the problem for ND is that two of the bowls could present possible rematches with ND. Obviously if Wake Forest wins then this problem is averted.

 

I may be missing something but where does the Big East winner fit in? Either Rutgers or Louisville will have an automatic bid that I didn't see listed.

If I'm not mistaken, I think the BE winner will go to the Sugar Bowl (someone correct me if I'm wrong). That would mean:

 

Nat Title: OSU v USC

Rose Bowl: Michigan v

Fiesta Bowl: Boise St. v Oklahoma/Nebraska

Orange Bowl: Wake Forest/Georgia Tech v

Sugar Bowl: Florida/Arkansas v Rutgers/Louisville

 

leaving loser of BE and loser of SEC championship plus LSU and Notre Dame to fill two spots.

Arkansas and Rutgers are out if they lose, which would solve the problem. If they don't both lose, ND could miss a BCS berth.

 

A couple of things that are a little off with this. One, the Big East winner has no specific bowl tie in-that's why nobody knows exactly for sure where they will go. The Rose Bowl will have first and second pick (as the 2 teams in the title game) and they will select Michigan and ?. The Sugar Bowl picks next, then Orange, then Fiesta-that's why Boise State is penciled into the Fiesta because they pick last.

 

Second, there is no way ND misses a BCS berth. 4 BCS at-large spots are available. 2 of them will go to Michigan and Boise State.

 

The other 2? One of ND, one SEC team (either LSU or Florida if Florida loses-Arkansas would have no chance with 3 losses if they lose) and 1 Big East team (either Louisville if Rutgers wins, or Rutgers/WV if WV beats Rutgers). The bowls are not going to select both a 2 loss SEC team and a Big East team, with a chance of them having 2 losses over ND. There is simply no way-fair or not, ND is getting picked. Here's how it plays out:

 

Nat Champ: OSU vs USC

Rose: Michigan vs ?

Sugar: Arkansas/Florida vs. ?

Orange-GT/Wake vs ?

Fiesta-Oklahoma/Nebraksa vs Boise State

 

The Rose will pick first. While the announcers think they will pick Notre Dame, I see them going with Louisville, with a small chance that it is LSU.

 

Second is the Sugar-they are going to pick ND if the Rose does not. If the Rose picks ND, look for the Sugar to go with the Big East winner because they certainly won't pick an SEC team here.

 

Finally is the Orange-if it gets down to them, and LSU has not been taken, they are going to take them. For them, it will come down to who they think will travel better-LSU or West Virginia, and they will pick LSU to face GT. If LSU got taken by the Rose, they will go with the Big East winner here.

 

If Rutgers wins next week, then LSU loses out on the BCS. I also could see Louisville getting picked for a bowl before Rutgers (Rutgers of course would still get picked later on), even if Rutgers is the conference champ and Louisville is not.

 

I'm a little confused right now. You're saying if Rutgers loses to WV and Louisville wins the BE then both BE teams will go and LSU will be left out? I disagree.

If it comes down to 2-loss Rutgers and LSU, you have to figure the Tigers will pull better ratings and interest than Rutgers. Also, LSU travels well, nobody knows if Rutgers will or not.

I could see Louisville getting an at-large bid before LSU, but not Rutgers.

[BigSlick]

USC is a good football team.

 

I love the crap out of Weis, but this team laid up two stinkbombs in the two biggest games of the year. And I have no idea why.

 

Quinn's stats belie that he was missing his most dependable target (Carlson) and Rhema/Freeman played like crap, combining for about 10 drops. His receivers and Oline screwed him on a couple of occasions. He played very well considering the circumstances, especially since he played hurt. Hope he enjoys the trip to NY although he obviously won't win the Heisman.

 

I echo DCF. Thanks for the awful secondary, Ty. If ever there was proof that Weis will need a couple more years of recruits to make this team a real contender, this game was it. Just not enough talent yet.

 

Let's have Arkansas please win the SEC title game. That way the Rose Bowl can take Florida to avoid the ridiculousness of an ND/UM rematch.

 

All that said, this post is absurd with no further comment:

 

I don't want to hear crap from any ND fan. This is your team, you deserve this for how highly hyped up they were from day one.

 

Legacy of Brady Quinn: No big wins, against anyone. Heisman? Are you joking?

 

The Great, fat, Charlie Weis: Not a single big win, best game of his career is a loss to USC in 2005. Wow.

 

I can't believe what Bob Davie was blubbering out while he watched his beloved Irish go down: "Look, the only losses this team has had in the past year has been to three top 5 teams!"

 

Yeah, and you got blown out in every single one of them.

 

There are only 2 legitimate teams on the schedule, and ND lost by 20+ to each of them. Congrats.

 

The Irish are back, indeed!

 

Laid eggs? They were outclassed. Their only other games were against second tier programs, so of course they looked better.

 

Come on, man. Laid eggs?

[Andy]

Title: OSU v USC

Rose: Michigan v FL/Ark loser

Sugar: ND v FL/Ark winner

Orange: GT v Louisville

Fiesta: Ok/Neb winner v Boise State

 

I don't see any way the Rose picks a rematch over the SEC loser.

[jjgman21]

It will be very interesting to see what happens with my idle Badgers in this weeks BCS. the three teams directly in front of them all lost, so they should move up, but the two teams directly behind them won and may move past.

 

my hope, not because I think they deserve it, more to show how stupid the ranking and BCS systems are is:

 

Badgers move up three to 5, UCLA beats USC, Arkansas beats Florida, Rutgers beats WV and the Big Ten finishes 1,2,3 in the BCS and the BCS bowl games chock full of teams that aren't even in the top 10 of any poll or the BCS.

 

maybe then they will realize that no amount of tinkering is going to work, they blow this whole thing up, and start over.

[Andy]

USC is a good football team.

 

I love the crap out of Weis, but this team laid up two stinkbombs in the two biggest games of the year. And I have no idea why.

 

Quinn's stats belie that he was missing his most dependable target (Carlson) and Rhema/Freeman played like crap, combining for about 10 drops. His receivers and Oline screwed him on a couple of occasions. He played very well considering the circumstances, especially since he played hurt. Hope he enjoys the trip to NY although he obviously won't win the Heisman.

 

I echo DCF. Thanks for the awful secondary, Ty. If ever there was proof that Weis will need a couple more years of recruits to make this team a real contender, this game was it. Just not enough talent yet.

 

Let's have Arkansas please win the SEC title game. That way the Rose Bowl can take Florida to avoid the ridiculousness of an ND/UM rematch.

 

All that said, this post is absurd with no further comment:

 

I don't want to hear crap from any ND fan. This is your team, you deserve this for how highly hyped up they were from day one.

 

Legacy of Brady Quinn: No big wins, against anyone. Heisman? Are you joking?

 

The Great, fat, Charlie Weis: Not a single big win, best game of his career is a loss to USC in 2005. Wow.

 

I can't believe what Bob Davie was blubbering out while he watched his beloved Irish go down: "Look, the only losses this team has had in the past year has been to three top 5 teams!"

 

Yeah, and you got blown out in every single one of them.

 

There are only 2 legitimate teams on the schedule, and ND lost by 20+ to each of them. Congrats.

 

The Irish are back, indeed!

 

Laid eggs? They were outclassed. Their only other games were against second tier programs, so of course they looked better.

 

Come on, man. Laid eggs?

Yes, laid eggs. Quinn has thrown 5 INTs all year and 3 of them came against UM. That's a laid egg. Hell he didn't even have any against USC whose D is pretty damn good too. Rhema hasn't dropped passes all year until this game. Freeman looked like crap. USC outplayed ND but that doesn't mean ND played their best game. I give all sorts of credit to UM and USC for playing the way they did in those games, but they weren't responsible for Rhema's not holding onto the football today or for ND's offensive line crapping out in the UM game.

 

The only consolation is that we likely didn't get beat bad enough to fall out of the BCS.

[jjgman21]

Title: OSU v USC

Rose: Michigan v FL/Ark loser

Sugar: ND v FL/Ark winner

Orange: GT v Louisville

Fiesta: Ok/Neb winner v Boise State

 

I don't see any way the Rose picks a rematch over the SEC loser.

 

that looks about right, but doesn't GT have a conference chamionship game to get through first?

[Andy]

Title: OSU v USC

Rose: Michigan v FL/Ark loser

Sugar: ND v FL/Ark winner

Orange: GT v Louisville

Fiesta: Ok/Neb winner v Boise State

 

I don't see any way the Rose picks a rematch over the SEC loser.

 

that looks about right, but doesn't GT have a conference chamionship game to get through first?

They have no excuse to lose to Wake. Just like WV has no excuse to lose to Rutgers, which is why I put Louisville in there.

 

Grobe and Schiano have done unreal jobs at their schools but GT and WV have too much talent for them in my estimation.

[dew1679666265]

Title: OSU v USC

Rose: Michigan v FL/Ark loser

Sugar: ND v FL/Ark winner

Orange: GT v Louisville

Fiesta: Ok/Neb winner v Boise State

 

I don't see any way the Rose picks a rematch over the SEC loser.

 

There's no way a 3-loss Arkansas team makes the BCS. LSU I could see but not Arkansas. They lost their chance by blowing the game to LSU. Othewise, you make some good picks, though Rutgers could very well beat WV Saturday to win the Big East.

[BigSlick]

USC is a good football team.

 

I love the crap out of Weis, but this team laid up two stinkbombs in the two biggest games of the year. And I have no idea why.

 

Quinn's stats belie that he was missing his most dependable target (Carlson) and Rhema/Freeman played like crap, combining for about 10 drops. His receivers and Oline screwed him on a couple of occasions. He played very well considering the circumstances, especially since he played hurt. Hope he enjoys the trip to NY although he obviously won't win the Heisman.

 

I echo DCF. Thanks for the awful secondary, Ty. If ever there was proof that Weis will need a couple more years of recruits to make this team a real contender, this game was it. Just not enough talent yet.

 

Let's have Arkansas please win the SEC title game. That way the Rose Bowl can take Florida to avoid the ridiculousness of an ND/UM rematch.

 

All that said, this post is absurd with no further comment:

 

I don't want to hear crap from any ND fan. This is your team, you deserve this for how highly hyped up they were from day one.

 

Legacy of Brady Quinn: No big wins, against anyone. Heisman? Are you joking?

 

The Great, fat, Charlie Weis: Not a single big win, best game of his career is a loss to USC in 2005. Wow.

 

I can't believe what Bob Davie was blubbering out while he watched his beloved Irish go down: "Look, the only losses this team has had in the past year has been to three top 5 teams!"

 

Yeah, and you got blown out in every single one of them.

 

There are only 2 legitimate teams on the schedule, and ND lost by 20+ to each of them. Congrats.

 

The Irish are back, indeed!

 

Laid eggs? They were outclassed. Their only other games were against second tier programs, so of course they looked better.

 

Come on, man. Laid eggs?

Yes, laid eggs. Quinn has thrown 5 INTs all year and 3 of them came against UM. That's a laid egg. Hell he didn't even have any against USC whose D is pretty damn good too. Rhema hasn't dropped passes all year until this game. Freeman looked like crap. USC outplayed ND but that doesn't mean ND played their best game. I give all sorts of credit to UM and USC for playing the way they did in those games, but they weren't responsible for Rhema's not holding onto the football today or for ND's offensive line crapping out in the UM game.

 

The only consolation is that we likely didn't get beat bad enough to fall out of the BCS.

 

Wait, the reason Quinn threw those interceptions was purely because of him laying an egg and not because of the UM defense ?(and the supposed best defensive line in the nation?)

 

Yes, you can look really good against service acadamies, maybe only throw one or two picks. Congrats.

 

USC and Michigan? More talented than ND. Maybe Weis can recruit very well, we'll soon see.

[jjgman21]

so this one will probably turn into a blow up, but bold prediction here...

 

Brady Quinn is the next Ryan Leaf.

 

the kid just seems rather immature to me and not ready for pro life.

[Andy]

I'm guessing you don't watch ND much so it's pointless arguing this. I already made the point that there's not enough talent at ND to contend for a national title yet which you should have seen already.

 

I hope USC brings that game to Glendale. It'll be entertaining if they do.

[Andy]

so this one will probably turn into a blow up, but bold prediction here...

 

Brady Quinn is the next Ryan Leaf.

 

the kid just seems rather immature to me and not ready for pro life.

No way. Brady has a fantastic head on his shoulders.

[dew1679666265]

so this one will probably turn into a blow up, but bold prediction here...

 

Brady Quinn is the next Ryan Leaf.

 

the kid just seems rather immature to me and not ready for pro life.

 

Really? I see the exact opposite with Quinn. He's very smart and makes good decisions, but I'm not sure he has the pure talent to be a great NFL QB whereas Leaf was very talented but lacked any level of maturity whatsoever.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

so this one will probably turn into a blow up, but bold prediction here...

 

Brady Quinn is the next Ryan Leaf.

 

the kid just seems rather immature to me and not ready for pro life.

No way. Brady has a fantastic head on his shoulders.

 

From all my cousin has said (she knows him, has had a few classes with him), I have to agree with ndistops.

[Soriano12]

I don't want to hear crap from any ND fan. This is your team, you deserve this for how highly hyped up they were from day one.

 

Legacy of Brady Quinn: No big wins, against anyone. Heisman? Are you joking?

 

The Great, fat, Charlie Weis: Not a single big win, best game of his career is a loss to USC in 2005. Wow.

 

I can't believe what Bob Davie was blubbering out while he watched his beloved Irish go down: "Look, the only losses this team has had in the past year has been to three top 5 teams!"

 

Yeah, and you got blown out in every single one of them.

 

There are only 2 legitimate teams on the schedule, and ND lost by 20+ to each of them. Congrats.

 

The Irish are back, indeed!

 

What an arrogant classless post. Can I ask what college team you chear for?

[jjgman21]

I just don't see a mature kid leading the post Army victory 'beat SC' hoopla. nor do I see a mature kid being smirky during news conference or smacking gum getting off the bus at the biggest game of his life with an aloof yet cocky look on his face. Quinn did all of these things

 

I have not seen alot of him before, but what I have seen in the past week does not impress me in the least.

[CP_414]

I just don't see a mature kid leading the post Army victory 'beat SC' hoopla. nor do I see a mature kid being smirky during news conference or smacking gum getting off the bus at the biggest game of his life with an aloof yet cocky look on his face. Quinn did all of these things

 

I have not seen alot of him before, but what I have seen in the past week does not impress me in the least.

 

So he is confident, smiles and likes gum?

[Andy]

I just don't see a mature kid leading the post Army victory 'beat SC' hoopla. nor do I see a mature kid being smirky during news conference or smacking gum getting off the bus at the biggest game of his life with an aloof yet cocky look on his face. Quinn did all of these things

 

I have not seen alot of him before, but what I have seen in the past week does not impress me in the least.

If you knew Brady's career better you would know how rare the "Beat SC" thing was. The guy doesn't usually let people know what he's really thinking. As for the news conferences, you'd be shocked at the stupidity of some of the SB writers' questions.

 

Trust me, he's gonna be fine.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I just don't see a mature kid leading the post Army victory 'beat SC' hoopla. nor do I see a mature kid being smirky during news conference or smacking gum getting off the bus at the biggest game of his life with an aloof yet cocky look on his face. Quinn did all of these things

 

I have not seen alot of him before, but what I have seen in the past week does not impress me in the least.

 

So I take it you didn't think much of Matt Leinart coming out of USC either, right?

[CDBears1259]

I just don't see a mature kid leading the post Army victory 'beat SC' hoopla. nor do I see a mature kid being smirky during news conference or smacking gum getting off the bus at the biggest game of his life with an aloof yet cocky look on his face. Quinn did all of these things

 

I have not seen alot of him before, but what I have seen in the past week does not impress me in the least.

 

So I take it you didn't think much of Matt Leinart coming out of USC either, right?

 

Touche'!