College Football - Week of 11/25

[BigSlick]

One thing I know-with the expansion of the BCS to 10 teams, the prohibition against 3 teams from one conference should be taken out.

 

Two should be the limit. If you can't finish top 2 in your conference you shouldn't go to a BCS bowl.

 

The problem is that there are 6 major conferences, 1 possible spot for a minor conference team, and 1 possible spot for Notre Dame. There are 10 spots overall. What happens if both Notre Dame has a year where they don't make the BCS and there is no eligible minor conference team? That means that there will be 6 conference winners, and then 4 of the conferences will be forced to send a 2nd team-and some of those 2nd place teams might not be deserving. This year in the conferences is an example, where there are at least 3 conferences with no at-large teams eligible at this moment. (Pac-10, Big XII, ACC) The BCS is just lucky that 2 of those spots will be filled this year by Boise State and Notre Dame, or else there would be an extra spot with no team eligible to fill it.

 

That's a good point. I feel it should be an 'if necessary' sort of thing though. If no other teams are eligible then you can have a third team. I just don't like the idea of a third place team in the BCS.

 

And we can solve that really easily by having a 16 team playoff.

[soccer10k]

Boise State playing Nevada on ESPN2 and is basically playing for a BCS bowl.

 

Boise St. in a BCS bowl would be a travesty. Outside of an early win against Oregon St, they have played absolutely no one. Just because a team goes undefeated against a high school schedule does not entitle them to a BCS game.

 

Although it would be kind of fun to watch them get massacred.

 

you have to feel bad for them though. That program has done a great job in recruiting and building a good team....not their fault that the rest of the conference is a joke. I think it's elitist to say that only teams from the 6 BCS conferences should be allowed to play in a BCS game. Boise St. has been pretty well punished in both the polls and computer, but staying undefeated has forced them in there. If they lose today, then no problem, they go to the whatever bowl.

 

If ND loses tonight, would you still put them in as an at-large over BSU?

 

If they are punished by both the Polls and the Computers, doesn't that actually mean something? That they face weak competition and they really aren't that good?

 

I sorta agree that it would be an embarrassment to see them in the BCS. They'll get steamrolled. If they want to go, let them go, but they will get destroyed.

 

Also, LOL, ND is pretty bad. Notre Dame's victories are about on par with Boise State. In fact, has Charlie Weis really beaten any quality opponent?

 

Just a team who is likely to be their conference winner in a major conference this year with a chance to beat a 2nd conference winner tonight.

 

What throws a monkey wrench into it is a 3 or 4 loss team or 2 that wins the Conference Championship. The Big East could screw it up too as they only have 8 teams and that increases the chances for a 3 loss team like Pitt a couple of years ago .

 

It's not just limited to the Big East. Look at Florida State last year.

 

ETA: Georgia Tech could lose today, win the ACC championship game, and go into a BCS bowl with 3 losses.

Edited November 25, 2006 by soccer10k

[soccer10k]

One thing I know-with the expansion of the BCS to 10 teams, the prohibition against 3 teams from one conference should be taken out.

 

Two should be the limit. If you can't finish top 2 in your conference you shouldn't go to a BCS bowl.

 

The problem is that there are 6 major conferences, 1 possible spot for a minor conference team, and 1 possible spot for Notre Dame. There are 10 spots overall. What happens if both Notre Dame has a year where they don't make the BCS and there is no eligible minor conference team? That means that there will be 6 conference winners, and then 4 of the conferences will be forced to send a 2nd team-and some of those 2nd place teams might not be deserving. This year in the conferences is an example, where there are at least 3 conferences with no at-large teams eligible at this moment. (Pac-10, Big XII, ACC) The BCS is just lucky that 2 of those spots will be filled this year by Boise State and Notre Dame, or else there would be an extra spot with no team eligible to fill it.

 

That's a good point. I feel it should be an 'if necessary' sort of thing though. If no other teams are eligible then you can have a third team. I just don't like the idea of a third place team in the BCS.

 

And we can solve that really easily by having a 16 team playoff.

 

No playoff.

[CuseCubFan69]

What throws a monkey wrench into it is a 3 or 4 loss team or 2 that wins the Conference Championship. The Big East could screw it up too as they only have 8 teams and that increases the chances for a 3 loss team like Pitt a couple of years ago.

 

A big reason why i'm opposed to conference championship games. They usually just seem unnecessary, and tend to just mess things up.

 

Why do we need 12 team conferences anyway? If we cut everything down to 9-10 team conferences and everyone plays each other....there goes the need for a conference championship game.

 

I'd love to see 10 team conferences when they all play each other and get rid of the conference playoff thing and have a Championship playoff instead.

[CuseCubFan69]

Boise State playing Nevada on ESPN2 and is basically playing for a BCS bowl.

 

Boise St. in a BCS bowl would be a travesty. Outside of an early win against Oregon St, they have played absolutely no one. Just because a team goes undefeated against a high school schedule does not entitle them to a BCS game.

 

Although it would be kind of fun to watch them get massacred.

 

you have to feel bad for them though. That program has done a great job in recruiting and building a good team....not their fault that the rest of the conference is a joke. I think it's elitist to say that only teams from the 6 BCS conferences should be allowed to play in a BCS game. Boise St. has been pretty well punished in both the polls and computer, but staying undefeated has forced them in there. If they lose today, then no problem, they go to the whatever bowl.

 

If ND loses tonight, would you still put them in as an at-large over BSU?

 

If they are punished by both the Polls and the Computers, doesn't that actually mean something? That they face weak competition and they really aren't that good?

 

I sorta agree that it would be an embarrassment to see them in the BCS. They'll get steamrolled. If they want to go, let them go, but they will get destroyed.

 

Also, LOL, ND is pretty bad. Notre Dame's victories are about on par with Boise State. In fact, has Charlie Weis really beaten any quality opponent?

 

Just a team who is likely to be their conference winner in a major conference this year with a chance to beat a 2nd conference winner tonight.

 

What throws a monkey wrench into it is a 3 or 4 loss team or 2 that wins the Conference Championship. The Big East could screw it up too as they only have 8 teams and that increases the chances for a 3 loss team like Pitt a couple of years ago .

 

It's not just limited to the Big East. Look at Florida State last year.

 

ETA: Georgia Tech could lose today, win the ACC championship game, and go into a BCS bowl with 3 losses.

 

Did they have the best record along with winning the ACC Championship?

[CuseCubFan69]

Pitt reminds me of Michigan St, you never know what team you're going to play.

[CubColtPacer]

Boise State playing Nevada on ESPN2 and is basically playing for a BCS bowl.

 

Boise St. in a BCS bowl would be a travesty. Outside of an early win against Oregon St, they have played absolutely no one. Just because a team goes undefeated against a high school schedule does not entitle them to a BCS game.

 

Although it would be kind of fun to watch them get massacred.

 

you have to feel bad for them though. That program has done a great job in recruiting and building a good team....not their fault that the rest of the conference is a joke. I think it's elitist to say that only teams from the 6 BCS conferences should be allowed to play in a BCS game. Boise St. has been pretty well punished in both the polls and computer, but staying undefeated has forced them in there. If they lose today, then no problem, they go to the whatever bowl.

 

If ND loses tonight, would you still put them in as an at-large over BSU?

 

If they are punished by both the Polls and the Computers, doesn't that actually mean something? That they face weak competition and they really aren't that good?

 

I sorta agree that it would be an embarrassment to see them in the BCS. They'll get steamrolled. If they want to go, let them go, but they will get destroyed.

 

Also, LOL, ND is pretty bad. Notre Dame's victories are about on par with Boise State. In fact, has Charlie Weis really beaten any quality opponent?

 

Just a team who is likely to be their conference winner in a major conference this year with a chance to beat a 2nd conference winner tonight.

 

What throws a monkey wrench into it is a 3 or 4 loss team or 2 that wins the Conference Championship. The Big East could screw it up too as they only have 8 teams and that increases the chances for a 3 loss team like Pitt a couple of years ago .

 

It's not just limited to the Big East. Look at Florida State last year.

 

ETA: Georgia Tech could lose today, win the ACC championship game, and go into a BCS bowl with 3 losses.

 

Did they have the best record along with winning the ACC Championship?

 

No-if they lose today, and come back and win the ACC championship-Georgia Tech will be in with 3 losses, but Virginia Tech with 2 losses won't even play in the ACC title game. That's of course because Georgia Tech's losses would have mostly come OOC.

The Big XII could have Nebraska win and go with several losses-also, if Oklahoma State comes back today, then no team in the Big XII will have less than 3 losses.

[soccer10k]

That Louisville WR fumbled. It think it's pretty clear as well.

[CubColtPacer]

That Louisville WR fumbled. It think it's pretty clear as well.

 

I thought it was incomplete, but I thought overturning it was the wrong call.

[adamb0719]

Boise State playing Nevada on ESPN2 and is basically playing for a BCS bowl.

 

Boise St. in a BCS bowl would be a travesty. Outside of an early win against Oregon St, they have played absolutely no one. Just because a team goes undefeated against a high school schedule does not entitle them to a BCS game.

 

Although it would be kind of fun to watch them get massacred.

 

you have to feel bad for them though. That program has done a great job in recruiting and building a good team....not their fault that the rest of the conference is a joke. I think it's elitist to say that only teams from the 6 BCS conferences should be allowed to play in a BCS game. Boise St. has been pretty well punished in both the polls and computer, but staying undefeated has forced them in there. If they lose today, then no problem, they go to the whatever bowl.

 

If ND loses tonight, would you still put them in as an at-large over BSU?

 

If they are punished by both the Polls and the Computers, doesn't that actually mean something? That they face weak competition and they really aren't that good?

 

I sorta agree that it would be an embarrassment to see them in the BCS. They'll get steamrolled. If they want to go, let them go, but they will get destroyed.

 

Also, LOL, ND is pretty bad. Notre Dame's victories are about on par with Boise State. In fact, has Charlie Weis really beaten any quality opponent?

 

Just a team who is likely to be their conference winner in a major conference this year with a chance to beat a 2nd conference winner tonight.

 

What throws a monkey wrench into it is a 3 or 4 loss team or 2 that wins the Conference Championship. The Big East could screw it up too as they only have 8 teams and that increases the chances for a 3 loss team like Pitt a couple of years ago .

 

It's not just limited to the Big East. Look at Florida State last year.

 

ETA: Georgia Tech could lose today, win the ACC championship game, and go into a BCS bowl with 3 losses.

 

Did they have the best record along with winning the ACC Championship?

 

No-if they lose today, and come back and win the ACC championship-Georgia Tech will be in with 3 losses, but Virginia Tech with 2 losses won't even play in the ACC title game. That's of course because Georgia Tech's losses would have mostly come OOC.

The Big XII could have Nebraska win and go with several losses-also, if Oklahoma State comes back today, then no team in the Big XII will have less than 3 losses.

 

There is a rule in the BCS that says that a conference winner can be excluded from a BCS game, in case something like that happens.

[soccer10k]

That Louisville WR fumbled. It think it's pretty clear as well.

 

I thought it was incomplete, but I thought overturning it was the wrong call.

 

To me it appeared that he caught it and took a step or two, but hey, I'm not a referee.

[soccer10k]

That H.B. Blades is having one hell of a day so far.

[CuseCubFan69]

Feel free to block Blades.

[CubColtPacer]

That Louisville WR fumbled. It think it's pretty clear as well.

 

I thought it was incomplete, but I thought overturning it was the wrong call.

 

To me it appeared that he caught it and took a step or two, but hey, I'm not a referee.

 

Yeah, I thought he bobbled it for just a second-he established possession after a step or so, but right when he did he got hit, so I thought by the time he established it he never had a chance to make a football move.

[CubColtPacer]

Wow-Nevada has -4 total yards and 3 turnovers-that's the way to get destroyed. The only reason it's as close as it is is because Boise State has turned it over on 3 4th and 1's so far.

[CubColtPacer]

Oklahoma State still has a chance. It's 27-21 Oklahoma now, 6 minutes left. It should be on most of your Fox Sports Net channels if anybody is trying to look for it.

[CuseCubFan69]

Lou Holtz.>>>ND is a great team? I don't consider any team this year as great.

[soccer10k]

I don't think Oklahoma wants to win the Big 12 South.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't think Oklahoma wants to win the Big 12 South.

 

I really want to see an OK vs Nebraska game too.

[soccer10k]

Lou Holtz.>>>ND is a great team? I don't consider any team this year as great.

 

I don't understand why ESPN employs Lou Holtz and allows him to speak on national television. The guy makes statements that hold absolutely no merit and are completely off base. Don't get me wrong, Mark May isn't great either, but at least he puts thought into his arguments and provides a good reasoning to go along with them.

[CubColtPacer]

Lou Holtz.>>>ND is a great team? I don't consider any team this year as great.

 

I don't understand why ESPN employs Lou Holtz and allows him to speak on national television. The guy makes statements that hold absolutely no merit and are completely off base. Don't get me wrong, Mark May isn't great either, but at least he puts thought into his arguments and provides a good reasoning to go along with them.

 

As an ND fan, Lou Holtz embarrasses me at this point. When someone tries to make an argument for your team and they are so horribly bad at it that it can easily be shot down by the whole country, the country can become convinced that there is no better argument out there. Every time Lou says something about ND, it just makes ND look weaker and weaker because of his horrible representation of the facts. I hope he retires-soon.

[CuseCubFan69]

Lou Holtz.>>>ND is a great team? I don't consider any team this year as great.

 

I don't understand why ESPN employs Lou Holtz and allows him to speak on national television. The guy makes statements that hold absolutely no merit and are completely off base. Don't get me wrong, Mark May isn't great either, but at least he puts thought into his arguments and provides a good reasoning to go along with them.

 

As an ND fan, Lou Holtz embarrasses me at this point. When someone tries to make an argument for your team and they are so horribly bad at it that it can easily be shot down by the whole country, the country can become convinced that there is no better argument out there. Every time Lou says something about ND, it just makes ND look weaker and weaker because of his horrible representation of the facts. I hope he retires-soon.

 

He should stick to being a motivational speaker and leave it at that.

[soccer10k]

OSU is going to have 2 shots at the endzone.

[CubColtPacer]

Wow-Oklahoma barely survived that.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lou Holtz.>>>ND is a great team? I don't consider any team this year as great.

 

I don't understand why ESPN employs Lou Holtz and allows him to speak on national television. The guy makes statements that hold absolutely no merit and are completely off base. Don't get me wrong, Mark May isn't great either, but at least he puts thought into his arguments and provides a good reasoning to go along with them.

 

As an ND fan, Lou Holtz embarrasses me at this point. When someone tries to make an argument for your team and they are so horribly bad at it that it can easily be shot down by the whole country, the country can become convinced that there is no better argument out there. Every time Lou says something about ND, it just makes ND look weaker and weaker because of his horrible representation of the facts. I hope he retires-soon.

 

He should stick to being a motivational speaker and leave it at that.

 

Lou should not be a public speaker anywhere. Just a horrible voice.