College Football - Week of 11/25

[soccer10k]

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

If the Big East teams get beat in the bowl games I will not be making excuses and I would expect you to do the same if the Big East wins.

 

Your complete and total hatred of the Big East is clearly clouding your judgement of the conference and because of this your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. My point of view comes from actually watching the games on the field. I'm not from the east coast and have no ties to any schools out there. I also don't have any ties to any west coast schools seeing as UC Davis is DI-AA. The only team I dislike is Notre Dame but I have the ability to analyze their situation with an unbiased perspective. I think that Louisville and West Virginia are good teams based on what I have seen on the field. I am not the only person who holds this belief.

 

Like I said, if the Big East loses their bowl games, I won't make excuses unless they are justified (i.e. referee screwjob a la Oklahoma-Oregon). I would expect you to admit you are wrong if the Big East wins their games but I know you won't so that effort is futile. The same goes for Wisconsin.

 

After this, I'm done debating you on this topic because of your extreme bias. Get an unbiased point of view and then we'll talk.

[CuseCubFan69]

Ok, I need a shower to wash the stink of rooting for A&M off me.

 

Ha...well at least you now control your own destiny.

[jjgman21]

 

You obviously don't get it. Being in a major conference not only gets you better matchups (just within your conference) but more television time and better bowl tie ins. All three of those factors help to get you better recruits because you have more to sell to them. The fact that Louisville just joined a major conference and is already a National Title contender is remarkable in of itself.

 

you don't get it. Louisville is the same team, just in a crap conference that still has a BCS tie in even though it shouldn't. the fact that they are a National Title contender is a black eye on the system, not a chip in favor of Louisville.

 

further, the point was more addressed to showing that the top team in the Big East is behind the 3-5 teams in the Big Ten in terms of how good the programs are, not a testament to this year.

 

all your glorification of Louisville's program pretty much goes down the drain when they can't beat crap teams in crap bowls. sure, they are a good team that is probably improving, but they still have a ways to go to be considered in the same breath as the second tier schools in the good conferences.

 

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

So the fact that the Big East has the second rated conference in the Sagarin Ratings means nothing to you?

 

not a bit since the Sagarin Ratings have always overemphasized point differential which always favors offensively dominated teams.

[Warpticon]

Hogs just got roasted on that play. 14-6 LSU.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

You obviously don't get it. Being in a major conference not only gets you better matchups (just within your conference) but more television time and better bowl tie ins. All three of those factors help to get you better recruits because you have more to sell to them. The fact that Louisville just joined a major conference and is already a National Title contender is remarkable in of itself.

 

you don't get it. Louisville is the same team, just in a crap conference that still has a BCS tie in even though it shouldn't. the fact that they are a National Title contender is a black eye on the system, not a chip in favor of Louisville.

 

further, the point was more addressed to showing that the top team in the Big East is behind the 3-5 teams in the Big Ten in terms of how good the programs are, not a testament to this year.

 

all your glorification of Louisville's program pretty much goes down the drain when they can't beat crap teams in crap bowls. sure, they are a good team that is probably improving, but they still have a ways to go to be considered in the same breath as the second tier schools in the good conferences.

 

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

So the fact that the Big East has the second rated conference in the Sagarin Ratings means nothing to you?

 

not a bit since the Sagarin Ratings have always overemphasized point differential which always favors offensively dominated teams.

 

Of course you don't. By the way, 6 of the 8 teams (75%) in the Big East qualified for bowls, how did your conference do?

[CuseCubFan69]

I hate those tackles when the defensive player grabs the shoulder equipment and pulls the player backwards.

[jjgman21]

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

If the Big East teams get beat in the bowl games I will not be making excuses and I would expect you to do the same if the Big East wins.

 

Your complete and total hatred of the Big East is clearly clouding your judgement of the conference and because of this your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. My point of view comes from actually watching the games on the field. I'm not from the east coast and have no ties to any schools out there. I also don't have any ties to any west coast schools seeing as UC Davis is DI-AA. The only team I dislike is Notre Dame but I have the ability to analyze their situation with an unbiased perspective. I think that Louisville and West Virginia are good teams based on what I have seen on the field. I am not the only person who holds this belief.

 

Like I said, if the Big East loses their bowl games, I won't make excuses unless they are justified (i.e. referee screwjob a la Oklahoma-Oregon). I would expect you to admit you are wrong if the Big East wins their games but I know you won't so that effort is futile. The same goes for Wisconsin.

 

After this, I'm done debating you on this topic because of your extreme bias. Get an unbiased point of view and then we'll talk.

 

I had absolutely no opinion of the Big East conference until Cuse, backed by you, kept dominating every single college football thread whining about them being shown no respect. you have noone to blame for these conversations other than Cuse and yourself.

 

WVU and Louisville are good teams. I never said the weren't. but the notion that they could play with the power teams in the power conferences or should be considered for a shot at the national title is absurd, and I think deep down you know that.

 

the fact that two of them are rated in the top 10 is also absurd, because I think deep down you both know that the rankings are based mostly on incumbancy, and with no teams other than each other (and the improved Rutgers team) on the schedule with even a ray of hope to beat them, they will remain highly rated in both polls.

 

your accusation of bias, similarly absurd. I guess they guy who has his schools nickname in his username is on the up and up and completely unbiased. the Big East used to be a fine conference, but they just lost their three top teams. you want to paint calling a spade a spade as biased, be my guest.

[jjgman21]

 

Of course you don't. By the way, 6 of the 8 teams (75%) in the Big East qualified for bowls, how did your conference do?

 

yawn. good luck in the Brillo Pad, Squeegie, Sponge, and Pine Cone Bowls.

 

edit - actually, I would love to see it.

 

OSU v. Louisville

Michigan v. WV

Rutgers v. UW

South Florida v. Purdue

Cincinnati v. Penn State

Pitt v. Iowa

UConn v. Minnesota

 

worst case scenerio, Big Ten wins five, probably six, more than likely they sweep all seven.

Edited November 24, 2006 by jjgman21

[CP_414]

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

If the Big East teams get beat in the bowl games I will not be making excuses and I would expect you to do the same if the Big East wins.

 

Your complete and total hatred of the Big East is clearly clouding your judgement of the conference and because of this your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. My point of view comes from actually watching the games on the field. I'm not from the east coast and have no ties to any schools out there. I also don't have any ties to any west coast schools seeing as UC Davis is DI-AA. The only team I dislike is Notre Dame but I have the ability to analyze their situation with an unbiased perspective. I think that Louisville and West Virginia are good teams based on what I have seen on the field. I am not the only person who holds this belief.

 

Like I said, if the Big East loses their bowl games, I won't make excuses unless they are justified (i.e. referee screwjob a la Oklahoma-Oregon). I would expect you to admit you are wrong if the Big East wins their games but I know you won't so that effort is futile. The same goes for Wisconsin.

 

After this, I'm done debating you on this topic because of your extreme bias. Get an unbiased point of view and then we'll talk.

 

I had absolutely no opinion of the Big East conference until Cuse, backed by you, kept dominating every single college football thread whining about them being shown no respect. you have noone to blame for these conversations other than Cuse and yourself.

 

WVU and Louisville are good teams. I never said the weren't. but the notion that they could play with the power teams in the power conferences or should be considered for a shot at the national title is absurd, and I think deep down you know that.

 

the fact that two of them are rated in the top 10 is also absurd, because I think deep down you both know that the rankings are based mostly on incumbancy, and with no teams other than each other (and the improved Rutgers team) on the schedule with even a ray of hope to beat them, they will remain highly rated in both polls.

 

your accusation of bias, similarly absurd. I guess they guy who has his schools nickname in his username is on the up and up and completely unbiased. the Big East used to be a fine conference, but they just lost their three top teams. you want to paint calling a spade a spade as biased, be my guest.

 

Not to mention that neither WVU or UL has beaten that improved Rutgers team yet.

[Warpticon]

Wow, what an amazing play by Marcus Monk. Touchdown Arkansas!

 

Do they go for two?

 

EDIT: yep, and they missed it. 14-12 ballgame.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

If the Big East teams get beat in the bowl games I will not be making excuses and I would expect you to do the same if the Big East wins.

 

Your complete and total hatred of the Big East is clearly clouding your judgement of the conference and because of this your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. My point of view comes from actually watching the games on the field. I'm not from the east coast and have no ties to any schools out there. I also don't have any ties to any west coast schools seeing as UC Davis is DI-AA. The only team I dislike is Notre Dame but I have the ability to analyze their situation with an unbiased perspective. I think that Louisville and West Virginia are good teams based on what I have seen on the field. I am not the only person who holds this belief.

 

Like I said, if the Big East loses their bowl games, I won't make excuses unless they are justified (i.e. referee screwjob a la Oklahoma-Oregon). I would expect you to admit you are wrong if the Big East wins their games but I know you won't so that effort is futile. The same goes for Wisconsin.

 

After this, I'm done debating you on this topic because of your extreme bias. Get an unbiased point of view and then we'll talk.

 

I had absolutely no opinion of the Big East conference until Cuse, backed by you, kept dominating every single college football thread whining about them being shown no respect. you have noone to blame for these conversations other than Cuse and yourself.

 

WVU and Louisville are good teams. I never said the weren't. but the notion that they could play with the power teams in the power conferences or should be considered for a shot at the national title is absurd, and I think deep down you know that.

 

the fact that two of them are rated in the top 10 is also absurd, because I think deep down you both know that the rankings are based mostly on incumbancy, and with no teams other than each other (and the improved Rutgers team) on the schedule with even a ray of hope to beat them, they will remain highly rated in both polls.

 

your accusation of bias, similarly absurd. I guess they guy who has his schools nickname in his username is on the up and up and completely unbiased. the Big East used to be a fine conference, but they just lost their three top teams. you want to paint calling a spade a spade as biased, be my guest.

 

Whined, yeah maybe. Why? Because of people like you that have such an incredibly closed mind when it comes to this topic. You are not alone by any means and because of assumptions like the ones you make are the reason why I have to get the message out. Having blinders on just because I'm a Syracuse fan is just plain silly to me. You prove soccers point once you mentioned that it's "absurd" that they even have a team in the Top 10. You're the one that bias Jigman, not me.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow, what an amazing play by Marcus Monk. Touchdown Arkansas!

 

Do they go for two?

 

EDIT: yep, and they missed it. 14-12 ballgame.

 

He looked like a man with little kids hanging on on that play.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

If the Big East teams get beat in the bowl games I will not be making excuses and I would expect you to do the same if the Big East wins.

 

Your complete and total hatred of the Big East is clearly clouding your judgement of the conference and because of this your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. My point of view comes from actually watching the games on the field. I'm not from the east coast and have no ties to any schools out there. I also don't have any ties to any west coast schools seeing as UC Davis is DI-AA. The only team I dislike is Notre Dame but I have the ability to analyze their situation with an unbiased perspective. I think that Louisville and West Virginia are good teams based on what I have seen on the field. I am not the only person who holds this belief.

 

Like I said, if the Big East loses their bowl games, I won't make excuses unless they are justified (i.e. referee screwjob a la Oklahoma-Oregon). I would expect you to admit you are wrong if the Big East wins their games but I know you won't so that effort is futile. The same goes for Wisconsin.

 

After this, I'm done debating you on this topic because of your extreme bias. Get an unbiased point of view and then we'll talk.

 

I had absolutely no opinion of the Big East conference until Cuse, backed by you, kept dominating every single college football thread whining about them being shown no respect. you have noone to blame for these conversations other than Cuse and yourself.

 

WVU and Louisville are good teams. I never said the weren't. but the notion that they could play with the power teams in the power conferences or should be considered for a shot at the national title is absurd, and I think deep down you know that.

 

the fact that two of them are rated in the top 10 is also absurd, because I think deep down you both know that the rankings are based mostly on incumbancy, and with no teams other than each other (and the improved Rutgers team) on the schedule with even a ray of hope to beat them, they will remain highly rated in both polls.

 

your accusation of bias, similarly absurd. I guess they guy who has his schools nickname in his username is on the up and up and completely unbiased. the Big East used to be a fine conference, but they just lost their three top teams. you want to paint calling a spade a spade as biased, be my guest.

 

Not to mention that neither WVU or UL has beaten that improved Rutgers team yet.

 

WVU has yet to play them yet but don't let facts get in the way.

[Warpticon]

The Hogs have to slow down that WR screen. THey can't let Russell keep tearing up their man defense.

[Warpticon]

Biiig fumble there. Hogs get the ball back with 4 minutes to go.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

This is the first time I've ever taken a look at McFadden.

 

He's a future #1 overall pick, isn't he?

 

Depending on who comes out with him. I'd say top 5 easily.

 

Definitely. Besides AD, there isn't another running back in NCAA right now I'd rate higher than McFadden.

[CP_414]

I don't know how many ways it has to be explained and demonstrated to you and Cuse. all you guys have is your opinions and seven degrees from Kevin Bacon to make your point. I guess we'll just have to wait until bowl season when all three Big East teams get thumped by lower ranked teams, at which point I'm sure you'll just come and make excuses.

 

If the Big East teams get beat in the bowl games I will not be making excuses and I would expect you to do the same if the Big East wins.

 

Your complete and total hatred of the Big East is clearly clouding your judgement of the conference and because of this your opinion is EXTREMELY biased. My point of view comes from actually watching the games on the field. I'm not from the east coast and have no ties to any schools out there. I also don't have any ties to any west coast schools seeing as UC Davis is DI-AA. The only team I dislike is Notre Dame but I have the ability to analyze their situation with an unbiased perspective. I think that Louisville and West Virginia are good teams based on what I have seen on the field. I am not the only person who holds this belief.

 

Like I said, if the Big East loses their bowl games, I won't make excuses unless they are justified (i.e. referee screwjob a la Oklahoma-Oregon). I would expect you to admit you are wrong if the Big East wins their games but I know you won't so that effort is futile. The same goes for Wisconsin.

 

After this, I'm done debating you on this topic because of your extreme bias. Get an unbiased point of view and then we'll talk.

 

I had absolutely no opinion of the Big East conference until Cuse, backed by you, kept dominating every single college football thread whining about them being shown no respect. you have noone to blame for these conversations other than Cuse and yourself.

 

WVU and Louisville are good teams. I never said the weren't. but the notion that they could play with the power teams in the power conferences or should be considered for a shot at the national title is absurd, and I think deep down you know that.

 

the fact that two of them are rated in the top 10 is also absurd, because I think deep down you both know that the rankings are based mostly on incumbancy, and with no teams other than each other (and the improved Rutgers team) on the schedule with even a ray of hope to beat them, they will remain highly rated in both polls.

 

your accusation of bias, similarly absurd. I guess they guy who has his schools nickname in his username is on the up and up and completely unbiased. the Big East used to be a fine conference, but they just lost their three top teams. you want to paint calling a spade a spade as biased, be my guest.

 

Not to mention that neither WVU or UL has beaten that improved Rutgers team yet.

 

WVU has yet to play them yet but don't let facts get in the way.

 

What fact was I wrong about? I never said Rutgers beat WVU.

[soccer10k]

I had absolutely no opinion of the Big East conference until Cuse, backed by you, kept dominating every single college football thread whining about them being shown no respect. you have noone to blame for these conversations other than Cuse and yourself.

 

No, it's people like you and most of the media that call games like USC-Texas and OSU-Michigan games that featured great offenses but call a Louisville-WVU game a matchup that featured bad defenses. It's a horrible double standard that isn't fair to the Big East.

 

WVU and Louisville are good teams. I never said the weren't. but the notion that they could play with the power teams in the power conferences or should be considered for a shot at the national title is absurd, and I think deep down you know that.

 

They can play with the power teams. They are programs on the rise. Louisville is in a new, better conference. Wisconsin has been in the Big 10 for years. They aren't trying to improve their prestige while Louisville is so comparing the two programs isn't fair to Louisville. West Virginia was ranked #5 in the preseason and, arguably, was a Steve Slaton injury away from taking down Louisville on the road and still being undefeated.

 

the fact that two of them are rated in the top 10 is also absurd, because I think deep down you both know that the rankings are based mostly on incumbancy, and with no teams other than each other (and the improved Rutgers team) on the schedule with even a ray of hope to beat them, they will remain highly rated in both polls.

 

It's absurd that Wisconsin is in the top 10. What have they done to deserve it? The only thing I can think of is because they play in the Big 11. Yes, the rankings are based on where you are ranked in the beginning of the year as well as the prestige of your team. Look at Arkansas. Where do you think they would be ranked right now had they started in the top 5 or even the top 10 this year? They would likely be a spot or two higher and would still have a good shot to make the title game if they won out. But because they started out the year unranked and don't have the history that USC, Michigan, and Florida have, they don't get as much respect as they should.

 

your accusation of bias, similarly absurd. I guess they guy who has his schools nickname in his username is on the up and up and completely unbiased. the Big East used to be a fine conference, but they just lost their three top teams. you want to paint calling a spade a spade as biased, be my guest.

 

You are clearly a Big 11 homer. That much is obvious. As for Cuse, I think he knows he's a bit biased and he might have admitted it on here at some point. But I wasn't talking about him now was I? Once again, I have no bias though and no affiliation to any team, something I can't say about you.

Edited November 24, 2006 by soccer10k

[soccer10k]

This is the first time I've ever taken a look at McFadden.

 

He's a future #1 overall pick, isn't he?

 

Depending on who comes out with him. I'd say top 5 easily.

 

Definitely. Besides AD, there isn't another running back in NCAA right now I'd rate higher than McFadden.

 

After the first few weeks I would have said Garrett Wolfe, but he had a four games stretch against below average opponents in which he stunk it up.

 

Maybe Steve Slaton but McFadden is very good.

[soccer10k]

Ryan Leaf's brother, Brady, is playing quarterback for Oregon right now.

[B]

LSU would've been better served to becnh Russell a long time ago and play Matt Flynn.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wow, what an amazing play by Marcus Monk. Touchdown Arkansas!

 

Do they go for two?

 

EDIT: yep, and they missed it. 14-12 ballgame.

 

Too early for 2.

[CDBears1259]

LSU would've been better served to becnh Russell a long time ago and play Matt Flynn.

Dude, I'm a huge LSU fan, but please tell me you're joking. Why? Flynn's a good QB, but he's half the QB that JM is.

[CubColtPacer]

 

It's absurd that Wisconsin is in the top 10. What have they done to deserve it? The only thing I can think of is because they play in the Big 11. Yes, the rankings are based on where you are ranked in the beginning of the year as well as the prestige of your team. Look at Arkansas. Where do you think they would be ranked right now had they started in the top 5 or even the top 10 this year? They would likely be a spot or two higher and would still have a good shot to make the title game if they won out. But because they started out the year unranked and don't have the history that USC, Michigan, and Florida have, they don't get as much respect as they should.

 

The only thing I disagree with you there on soccer is Arkansas. Even if they had been rated in the top 10 to start, that blowout loss to USC would have hurt (see what happened to Cal after they lost to Tennessee in much the same fashion). After that, the close games against Vandy and Alabama early in the season would have kept them low in the polls-low enough that this wonderful run would have kept them just about exactly where they are now. They would still have been too far behind teams like USC and Florida to have caught them in the polls at this point.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

This is the first time I've ever taken a look at McFadden.

 

He's a future #1 overall pick, isn't he?

 

Depending on who comes out with him. I'd say top 5 easily.

 

Definitely. Besides AD, there isn't another running back in NCAA right now I'd rate higher than McFadden.

 

After the first few weeks I would have said Garrett Wolfe, but he had a four games stretch against below average opponents in which he stunk it up.

 

Maybe Steve Slaton but McFadden is very good.

 

I'm talking about pro potential here. As such, I don't think Wolfe is anywhere near AD, McFadden, Slaton or Lynch.