College Football - Week of 11/25

[Andy]

Woody Page (of all people) had a good argument against a UM/OSU rematch. Basically, he said that Michigan has had their shot and OSU proved to be better. Now it's time to let someone else try. Why give Michigan two chances while giving another team none?

 

So let's say Notre Dame beats USC, and Florida and Arkansas lose their games. Does ND really deserve to go ahead of Michigan just because they didn't play OSU during the regular season??

 

In theory it make sense, but there's far too much noise in a college football season to use something like that as a guideline.

To be fair, they owe ND one after the travishamockery in 1993. :wink:

 

I think it would be very interesting to see the voters be forced to choose between the head to head logic (send Mich to the title game) or the no-rematch logic (send ND) if they were the only viable options (Ark loses to LSU and then beats UF example).

[Flames24Rulz]

Woody Page (of all people) had a good argument against a UM/OSU rematch. Basically, he said that Michigan has had their shot and OSU proved to be better. Now it's time to let someone else try. Why give Michigan two chances while giving another team none?

 

So let's say Notre Dame beats USC, and Florida and Arkansas lose their games. Does ND really deserve to go ahead of Michigan just because they didn't play OSU during the regular season??

 

In theory it make sense, but there's far too much noise in a college football season to use something like that as a guideline.

To be fair, they owe ND one after the travishamockery in 1993. :wink:

 

I think it would be very interesting to see the voters be forced to choose between the head to head logic (send Mich to the title game) or the no-rematch logic (send ND) if they were the only viable options (Ark loses to LSU and then beats UF example).

 

UF still plays F$U as well, so who knows, maybe the Seminoles will play their best game of the season against an in-state rival.

 

I still think the pollsters are going to vote Michigan in as #2 even if all of that happened with ND getting #3. It would be interesting though to see what really would happen if, by some miracle, all of this were to occur.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Rotoworld has Mizzou playing Iowa in the Alamo Bowl. I would gladly take that.

 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=CFB&columnid=144&articleid=26954

[CubinNY]

This morning while watching ESPN I got to thinking about a Michigan OSU remach and came to the conclusion that it should not happen.

 

What if Michigan wins? The teams will be 1-1 aginst each other.

 

However, no one is going to beat OSU this year.

Edited November 21, 2006 by CubinNY

[CubColtPacer]

This morning while watching ESPN I got to thinking about a Michigan OSU remach and came to the conclusion that it should not happen.

 

What if Michigan wins? The teams will be 1-1 aginst each other.

 

However, no one is going to be OSU this year.

 

That happens all the time in all the other sports-in college basketball, teams have met twice in the regular season and a team has won both times, and then the other team wins in the tournament. The same thing happens in professional football all the time as well (great example-Steelers go 15-1 and smash the Patriots in the regular season, but the Patriots get to have a rematch and destroy them in the AFC championship game).

 

The BCS title game is a playoff just like all these other sports-it's just a 2 team playoff. The best 2 teams get in, and they should get in regardless if they played each other or not. If one team still has a good enough resume to be ranked number 2 after losing to the number 1 team, then they should be ranked number 2.

[CubinNY]

 

The BCS title game is a playoff just like all these other sports-it's just a 2 team playoff. The best 2 teams get in, and they should get in regardless if they played each other or not. If one team still has a good enough resume to be ranked number 2 after losing to the number 1 team, then they should be ranked number 2.

 

The Bowl games are not a playoff. They aren't even close to a playoff. They don't even reside in the same universe as a playoff.

 

The Bowl games are closer to a socer friendly then a playoff. They are closer to a beauty contest then a playoff. They are closer to a HHHH hog prize at the county fair than a playoff.

 

A playoff, hahahahahahahahaha!

[Derwood]

http://images.wndu.com/sports/pics/pic_11716.JPG

 

Playoffs? Playoffs?

[cubweiser03]

Im not defending what happened in 1993. I remember the FSU/ND game as well as the BC/ND game. The big difference in the FSU/ND game is FSU had a chance near the end to tie the game at South Bend. They lost by 7. This time around the Michigan/ND game was over at halftime in South Bend and Michigan blew em out by 26.

 

The feeling im getting this time around there isnt a much angst if ND doesnt get to play OSU and Michigan does. Thats just the feeling im getting watching and reading the media. I think people are more accepting that if ND wins Michigan will get the USC #2 votes.

 

Now wouldnt it be whacked for the ND/USC game to not outscore the UM/OSU game. That would be kinda strange.

 

Florida States season is in the toilet. Winning Saturday at home will help a lot for them. They have the talent just dont seem to be playing well, so who knows. I wouldnt overlook them.

[bukie]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

[Andy]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

[da bears]

Rotoworld has Mizzou playing Iowa in the Alamo Bowl. I would gladly take that.

 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=CFB&columnid=144&articleid=26954

 

If we beat Kansas, I may yet go to that. Big, big IF though.

[cubweiser03]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Yeah right good point. I think they would choose ND in a heart beat. Notre Dame's first experience in the Rose Bowl would be intriguing.

[Andy]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Yeah right good point. I think they would choose ND in a heart beat. Notre Dame's first experience in the Rose Bowl would be intriguing.

1925 - The Four Horsemen beat Stanford in the Rose Bowl in their final collegiate game. :wink:

[CubinNY]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Yeah right good point. I think they would choose ND in a heart beat. Notre Dame's first experience in the Rose Bowl would be intriguing.

1925 - The Four Horsemen beat Stanford in the Rose Bowl in their final collegiate game. :wink:

 

As much as it pains me to say this, If USC loses to ND and Flroida loses to whomever and Arkansas loses to LSU I think ND should be in the title game.

 

Their only loss will be to Micigan whose only loss was to OSU.

 

I think OSU would destroy them though.

 

I just think if Michigan gets in and beats OSU (not likely) then the NC should be split between Michigan and OSU.

 

The entire NCAA football national championship is a joke and is hard for me to take seriously.

 

Lest anyone think I actually like OSU, I don't. I am more of a Michigan fan than an OSU fan.

[soccer10k]

Woody Page (of all people) had a good argument against a UM/OSU rematch. Basically, he said that Michigan has had their shot and OSU proved to be better. Now it's time to let someone else try. Why give Michigan two chances while giving another team none?

 

So let's say Notre Dame beats USC, and Florida and Arkansas lose their games. Does ND really deserve to go ahead of Michigan just because they didn't play OSU during the regular season??

 

In theory it make sense, but there's far too much noise in a college football season to use something like that as a guideline.

To be fair, they owe ND one after the travishamockery in 1993. :wink:

 

I think it would be very interesting to see the voters be forced to choose between the head to head logic (send Mich to the title game) or the no-rematch logic (send ND) if they were the only viable options (Ark loses to LSU and then beats UF example).

 

If this scenario happens UM should go to the title game over ND and it shouldn't even be a debate. I'm not for a rematch in the title game but that sentiment is more relevant if USC and/or UF both end up with 1 loss. But head to head takes precedence over not wanting a rematch. This is why Arkansas has no chance at the title game unless USC loses.

[soccer10k]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Somehow I doubt that a USC/Ark rematch would be as big of a blowout as it was the first time. I think it would be a much closer and much more entertaining game but I realize that isn't really saying much.

 

That being said, I would prefer to see two teams that haven't played each other yet this year.

[Warpticon]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Somehow I doubt that a USC/Ark rematch would be as big of a blowout as it was the first time. I think it would be a much closer and much more entertaining game but I realize that isn't really saying much.

 

That being said, I would prefer to see two teams that haven't played each other yet this year.

 

Really? You don't expect a 36-24 time of possession advantage? You don't expect a 5-0 turnover ratio? You don't expect a sixth string wide receiver at quarterback? You wouldn't expect having a Heisman candidate not recovering from a dislocated toe to make no difference? Funny, I don't, either.

[CubColtPacer]

 

The BCS title game is a playoff just like all these other sports-it's just a 2 team playoff. The best 2 teams get in, and they should get in regardless if they played each other or not. If one team still has a good enough resume to be ranked number 2 after losing to the number 1 team, then they should be ranked number 2.

 

The Bowl games are not a playoff. They aren't even close to a playoff. They don't even reside in the same universe as a playoff.

 

The Bowl games are closer to a socer friendly then a playoff. They are closer to a beauty contest then a playoff. They are closer to a HHHH hog prize at the county fair than a playoff.

 

A playoff, hahahahahahahahaha!

 

The Bowls are-the BCS championship game isn't. The main purpose of the BCS is to put the best 2 teams on the field to decide the national championship, just as in other sports it is the best teams. Now, you may disagree with the method they use for picking these teams, and you may feel that they should include more teams in deciding the championship (which almost all of us do). It is still though about picking the two teams in the nation who have the best resume and have looked the best over the season. It is then not logical to say that if Michigan had lost to a team like Auburn they would be playing for the national title, but since they lost to a better team than Auburn they supposedly should not play for the national title anymore. If it was a choice between them and Ohio State, that would be one thing-but it's not that. It's a choice between Michigan and the other 1 loss teams, and unless USC wins out Michigan has the best resume of the 1 loss teams.

 

Yes, teams who beat teams in the regular season lose to those same teams in the playoffs in every sport-they aren't declared split national champions then, and it shouldn't happen this year in college football either. The winner of that game is the champion, regardless of what happened between those teams during the season. That's what happens it every sport-it may not be fair, but it's accepted for all the other sports-so why not in this situation?

[Andy]

If they ever have a playoff, it better not be more than 4 teams. If there's ever a 2-loss or more college football champion because of getting hot at the right time I'll be irate.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Somehow I doubt that a USC/Ark rematch would be as big of a blowout as it was the first time. I think it would be a much closer and much more entertaining game but I realize that isn't really saying much.

 

That being said, I would prefer to see two teams that haven't played each other yet this year.

 

Really? You don't expect a 36-24 time of possession advantage? You don't expect a 5-0 turnover ratio? You don't expect a sixth string wide receiver at quarterback? You wouldn't expect having a Heisman candidate not recovering from a dislocated toe to make no difference? Funny, I don't, either.

 

I think Mizzou should be allowed to replay their last two games once Brian Smith gets healthy in December.

 

Circumstances are what they are. If you try to argue away circumstances that caused a loss you'd never get anywhere in ranking teams.

[CubinNY]

That's what happens it every sport-it may not be fair, but it's accepted for all the other sports-so why not in this situation?

 

BECAUSE THE BOWL GAMES ARE CHOSEN BY JUDGES, INCLUDING WHO GETS TO PLAY IN THE WHATEVER BOWL THAT DECIDES THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

 

Every other sport this side of figure skating and boxing is decided on the field/diamond/track/ice/oval.

 

The national championship in college football is decided by sprotswriters. It is a joke.

 

Wisconson, West Virginia, Louisville, and Rutgers, only has one loss. Boise state has zero losses. None of these teams are even in the discussion.

 

If Michigan plays OSU again and wins both will have one loss. Some other team that didn't play OSU or Michigan could end the season with one loss. Boise State could end the season undefeated.

[soccer10k]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Somehow I doubt that a USC/Ark rematch would be as big of a blowout as it was the first time. I think it would be a much closer and much more entertaining game but I realize that isn't really saying much.

 

That being said, I would prefer to see two teams that haven't played each other yet this year.

 

Really? You don't expect a 36-24 time of possession advantage? You don't expect a 5-0 turnover ratio? You don't expect a sixth string wide receiver at quarterback? You wouldn't expect having a Heisman candidate not recovering from a dislocated toe to make no difference? Funny, I don't, either.

 

I think Mizzou should be allowed to replay their last two games once Brian Smith gets healthy in December.

 

Circumstances are what they are. If you try to argue away circumstances that caused a loss you'd never get anywhere in ranking teams.

 

He's not saying that Arkansas should be looked at differently because the circumstances are different. ndistops said a Arkansas/USC bowl game would be a "rematch of a terrible game" and, while the first game between the two was in fact terrible, a rematch between the two isn't likely to be.

[CubColtPacer]

That's what happens it every sport-it may not be fair, but it's accepted for all the other sports-so why not in this situation?

 

BECAUSE THE BOWL GAMES ARE CHOSEN BY JUDGES, INCLUDING WHO GETS TO PLAY IN THE WHATEVER BOWL THAT DECIDES THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

 

Every other sport this side of figure skating and boxing is decided on the field/diamond/track/ice/oval.

 

The national championship in college football is decided by sprotswriters. It is a joke.

 

Wisconson, West Virginia, Louisville, and Rutgers, only has one loss. Boise state has zero losses. None of these teams are even in the discussion.

 

If Michigan plays OSU again and wins both will have one loss. Some other team that didn't play OSU or Michigan could end the season with one loss. Boise State could end the season undefeated.

 

College basketball is also decided by judges-those judges just pick 65 teams to compete for the championship, while college football has 2.

[CubinNY]

If they ever have a playoff, it better not be more than 4 teams. If there's ever a 2-loss or more college football champion because of getting hot at the right time I'll be irate.

 

It would be hard for me to see why you'd want to limit the number of teams competing for the NC. There are logistical problems and such but I would think from a financial standpoint the NCAA would want more than four.

 

I think eight or 10 would be a good number.

 

The top two teams from the major conferences would be a good start.

[Derwood]

How about you play all your New Years Day games, have one final BCS ranking, and the top 2 teams play on the 8th for the NC?