Lou wants A-rod

[Mizzou]

The fact that Hendry did such a good job putting the whole Nomar trade together gives me a lot of hope that he can work out a deal with more than two teams to bring ARod here. He may give out bad contracts to bad players, but he is good at making trades. And yes, I know he's made some bad ones too. No GM hasn't.

[erik316wttn]

I'm also in agreement that it may take 3 teams to make a deal work. Florida, Colorado, KC or some small market team that could take prospects to give up their starting pitchers who are going to be making big money soon, if not already.

 

The Cubs can absorb the entire salary of A-Rod. The small market team can load up on pitching prospects. The Yankees can get the 3b or SP they desire.

 

Colorado could move Garrett Atkins and Jason Jennings to NY. Colorado would probably love a Felix Pie type CFer that can cover a lot of territory. They might like a guy to fill their 2b hole like Patterson. They could certainly use some young starting pitchers. Scott Moore could bridge the gap at 3b for them until Ian Stewart is ready.

 

It would depend on what Colorado would want, but Atkins' trade value is high now and they have Stewart on his heals. This would be a good time for them to make a nice haul on a few players to build for the next several years.

 

Someone already mentioned Dontrelle.

 

I just don't see a good trade involving only NYY and the Cubs. Add a 3rd team, and the options seem endless.

 

One of Hendry's few strong points is that he can make a good 3 or 4 team deal.

[VanceJergins]

The fact that Hendry did such a good job putting the whole Nomar trade together gives me a lot of hope that he can work out a deal with more than two teams to bring ARod here. He may give out bad contracts to bad players, but he is good at making trades. And yes, I know he's made some bad ones too. No GM hasn't.

 

How great would it be to get ARod with only Francis Beltran type players. Not going to happen, but that'd be pretty sweet.

[CubinNY]

The fact that Hendry did such a good job putting the whole Nomar trade together gives me a lot of hope that he can work out a deal with more than two teams to bring ARod here. He may give out bad contracts to bad players, but he is good at making trades. And yes, I know he's made some bad ones too. No GM hasn't.

 

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Hendry for "putting together" the trade for Nomar. It is my belief that Nomar would have been traded to some team, Hendry just worked out the best possible deal for Nomar. I mean, all they got for him was Doug Menkavich

 

Nomar was like Sammy. He was an outcast on the team and had to be dealt.

 

Now, having written that, it seems that A-Rod is in a similar situation to Nomar. I don't know how desparate Cashman is to get rid of A-Rod though. I think Epstine was very keen on getting rid of Nomar. Regardless, Hendry is the king of the buzzards. He can pick up good players who are going to be traded. He got Aramis and Lee in salary dumps when no other team was able to make the trade happen.

 

I hope Hendry recognizes the situation for what it is, A-Rod is damaged goods, he shouldn't have to give up too much to get him. If he does get A-Rod I hope he doesn't overpay.

Edited October 18, 2006 by CubinNY

[minnesotacubsfan]

They just showed the clip of Piniella when he dismissed the ARod rumors. He brought his hand up to his face and sort of looked away.

 

I'm no expert, but aren't those classic signs, or "tells," of lying?

 

Of course, he might've just been nervous.

 

supposedly, they are classic signs

[Mizzou]

The fact that Hendry did such a good job putting the whole Nomar trade together gives me a lot of hope that he can work out a deal with more than two teams to bring ARod here. He may give out bad contracts to bad players, but he is good at making trades. And yes, I know he's made some bad ones too. No GM hasn't.

 

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Hendry for "putting together" the trade for Nomar. It is my belief that Nomar would have been traded to some team, Hendry just worked out the best possible deal for Nomar. I mean, all they got for him was Doug Menkavich

Well, it's commonly known that Hendry was the one who put the whole thing together, and got all the teams involved. I don't see how I'm giving him too much credit by saying that he's had experience in successfully orchestrating a four team trade for a marquee player.

[CubinNY]

The fact that Hendry did such a good job putting the whole Nomar trade together gives me a lot of hope that he can work out a deal with more than two teams to bring ARod here. He may give out bad contracts to bad players, but he is good at making trades. And yes, I know he's made some bad ones too. No GM hasn't.

 

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Hendry for "putting together" the trade for Nomar. It is my belief that Nomar would have been traded to some team, Hendry just worked out the best possible deal for Nomar. I mean, all they got for him was Doug Menkavich

Well, it's commonly known that Hendry was the one who put the whole thing together, and got all the teams involved. I don't see how I'm giving him too much credit by saying that he's had experience in successfully orchestrating a four team trade for a marquee player.

 

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I am not criticizing Hendry. What I'm saying is that Hendry took advantage of a situation where players probably had to be traded. I don't think it took that much "outside of the box" thinking to put any of those trades together. However, I also think that the A-Rod situation is somewhat like the Nomar situation. Hendry has shown he is able to make these types of trades work.

 

He got rid of Sammy

He got Nomar

He got Lee

He got Aramis

 

He has a good track record in these matters.

[soccer10k]

They just showed the clip of Piniella when he dismissed the ARod rumors. He brought his hand up to his face and sort of looked away.

 

I'm no expert, but aren't those classic signs, or "tells," of lying?

 

Of course, he might've just been nervous.

 

He was looking for a base to throw.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Does anyone have the full Arod trade from when it happened? All I remember is the Yankees gave up Soriano and got Arod back. There had to be other players involved, right?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Does anyone have the full Arod trade from when it happened? All I remember is the Yankees gave up Soriano and got Arod back. There had to be other players involved, right?

 

February 16, 2004: [Alex Rodriguez] Traded by the Texas Rangers with cash to the New York Yankees for a player to be named later and Alfonso Soriano. The New York Yankees sent Joaquin Arias (April 23, 2004) to the Texas Rangers to complete the trade.

[Roast]

They just showed the clip of Piniella when he dismissed the ARod rumors. He brought his hand up to his face and sort of looked away.

 

I'm no expert, but aren't those classic signs, or "tells," of lying?

 

Of course, he might've just been nervous.

 

supposedly, they are classic signs

 

True, but I think he was just nervous. He was sweating like a pig up there the whole time.

[Shilzzz]

They just showed the clip of Piniella when he dismissed the ARod rumors. He brought his hand up to his face and sort of looked away.

 

I'm no expert, but aren't those classic signs, or "tells," of lying?

 

Of course, he might've just been nervous.

 

supposedly, they are classic signs

 

True, but I think he was just nervous. He was sweating like a pig up there the whole time.

 

that's interesting if he did that. at the o.g. press conference you could tell that he was choosing what he said meticulously(sp), as he would often pause and find the correct word or phrase. it seemed like he was too specific in everything else to look away and hold the hand close to his mouth purely out of nervousness.

[CubinNY]

Kent Jones of Air America Radio, on The Rachel Maddo Show (of all places) just reported that the Cubs will pursue A-Rod in the off-season.

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in the report but I thought I'd pass it along as it is not the usual thing that Air America reports.

 

Jones then went on to make fun of the Cubs, as has virtually every reporter who has talked about the Cubs in the past week.

 

"Yankee fans could be heard rejoicing at the news as A-Rod went 1 for 14 in the playoffs this year. If A-Rod goes 1 for 14 with the Cubs in the playoffs, Cubs fans will be saying 'hey were in the playoffs!"

 

I hate being a laughing stock.

[A New Era]

The funny thing is I'd say that too. Hey we're in the playoffs!! Atleast it's a step in the right direction to get BACK TO, the playoffs. .

[UK1679666180]

oh man, i remember reading this awhile ago. you made me dig it up, a few tidbits

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: The lower-revenue teams are in a bit of a bind when it comes to high school prospects because they are more of an unknown. It becomes difficult for a team that’s not bringing in that much in terms of revenue to take a big-money chance . . .

 

GARY HUGHES: Why are they an unknown? I don’t understand. Because of the data?

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: Because a player who is 21 is simply closer to his peak abilities than a player who’s 18, for starters.

GARY HUGHES: All your statistics are going to tell you is what a guy has done. Somebody has got to make the decision on what the guy’s going to do.

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: I have no idea what the guy’s going to do. But my point would be, the scouts also have only a limited idea of what the guy’s going to do. He might do this, he might do that, he might be somewhere in the middle. What you’re trying to do is you’re trying to take the guys who you think have the best chance. I fully admit that you can’t tell the future via stats. My point is that scouting has that equal amount of unpredictability. You can only know so much. You’re scouts, you’re not fortunetellers.

GARY HUGHES: We keep mentioning the high school pitcher and the injury factor there. But it’s pitchers in general. Don’t all of a sudden think just because a pitcher goes to college he’s not ever going to get hurt.

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: But the college pitcher is usually closer to the major leagues, so there’s less time for him to get injured.

GARY HUGHES: I think the five tools are five physical tools. I don’t see where plate discipline becomes a tool.

[....]

GARY HUGHES: You’re absolutely right. [Plate discipline is] very important. I just don’t think it’s a tool with a capital T. And you don’t need computers and stat guys to see it. You show up at a game and the first thing you get is a stat sheet and you look at it. This has only been for the last 30 or 35 years that I’ve been doing this. But guess what? The guy with the best strikeout-to-walk ratio is usually the best player. Wow! This didn’t just happen in the past five years.

GARY HUGHES: The swing, the approach at the plate, the show of fear.

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: How would someone show fear?

 

GARY HUGHES: There would be a little give at the plate.

ALAN SCHWARZ: I said, "May not be aware." Gary, have you ever heard of DIPS?

 

GARY HUGHES: No.

[....]

GARY HUGHES: Is that what DIPS is? Tobacco? (Laughter)

GARY HUGHES: History--you've got a long, long list of times to evaluate this guy. The numbers are somewhat important. I think the longer history you have with seeing a guy, you solidify the feeling you have. The first time I see him I have a feeling, five years from now I'm going to have a different feeling. There are so many darned factors that go into it.

ALAN SCHWARZ: . . . see the predictabilities of some of these statistics. So even if his tools don't knock you out, he still has value?

 

GARY HUGHES: But you still in heart think he's not going to hit big league pitching. You say he had a .380 on-base percentage. The key word there is "had." If you could tell me he's going to have the .380 next year, that'd be great!

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: But obviously there's a relationship between the two. Guys who have higher on-base percentages in Triple-A tend to have higher on-base percentages in the major leagues. This is a point where I don't have a lot of wiggle room.

 

ALAN SCHWARZ: That gets us to this question--do you guys think Triple-A stats can predict player performance in the majors?

 

GARY HUGHES: I don't know. I can't answer that. That's not my thing.

 

VOROS McCRACKEN: I think to the extent that that's your answer, that you don't really know . . .

 

GARY HUGHES: I don't think you know.

 

those are some of the highlights http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/050107debate.html

 

For as much crap as Hughes has rec'd for that, the article was slighted towards the statistical side of the argument. Voros himself said, he doesn't know what to look for in a player from a scouting standpoint. Hughes didn't know what DIPS was and Voros doesn't know how to scout a player.

[ConstableRabbit]

Kent Jones of Air America Radio, on The Rachel Maddo Show (of all places) just reported that the Cubs will pursue A-Rod in the off-season.

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in the report but I thought I'd pass it along as it is not the usual thing that Air America reports.

 

Jones then went on to make fun of the Cubs, as has virtually every reporter who has talked about the Cubs in the past week.

 

"Yankee fans could be heard rejoicing at the news as A-Rod went 1 for 14 in the playoffs this year. If A-Rod goes 1 for 14 with the Cubs in the playoffs, Cubs fans will be saying 'hey were in the playoffs!"

 

I hate being a laughing stock.

 

Someone on a bankrupt radio station making you feel like a laughing stock?

 

Something's def. wrong there.

[CubinNY]

Kent Jones of Air America Radio, on The Rachel Maddo Show (of all places) just reported that the Cubs will pursue A-Rod in the off-season.

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in the report but I thought I'd pass it along as it is not the usual thing that Air America reports.

 

Jones then went on to make fun of the Cubs, as has virtually every reporter who has talked about the Cubs in the past week.

 

"Yankee fans could be heard rejoicing at the news as A-Rod went 1 for 14 in the playoffs this year. If A-Rod goes 1 for 14 with the Cubs in the playoffs, Cubs fans will be saying 'hey were in the playoffs!"

 

I hate being a laughing stock.

 

Someone on a bankrupt radio station making you feel like a laughing stock?

 

Something's def. wrong there.

 

That's the point isn't it.

[Illini Iceman]

The fact that Hendry did such a good job putting the whole Nomar trade together gives me a lot of hope that he can work out a deal with more than two teams to bring ARod here. He may give out bad contracts to bad players, but he is good at making trades. And yes, I know he's made some bad ones too. No GM hasn't.

 

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Hendry for "putting together" the trade for Nomar. It is my belief that Nomar would have been traded to some team, Hendry just worked out the best possible deal for Nomar. I mean, all they got for him was Doug Menkavich

 

Nomar was like Sammy. He was an outcast on the team and had to be dealt.

 

Now, having written that, it seems that A-Rod is in a similar situation to Nomar. I don't know how desparate Cashman is to get rid of A-Rod though. I think Epstine was very keen on getting rid of Nomar. Regardless, Hendry is the king of the buzzards. He can pick up good players who are going to be traded. He got Aramis and Lee in salary dumps when no other team was able to make the trade happen.

 

I hope Hendry recognizes the situation for what it is, A-Rod is damaged goods, he shouldn't have to give up too much to get him. If he does get A-Rod I hope he doesn't overpay.

 

They also got Orlando Cabrera.

[shnsajax]

Kent Jones of Air America Radio, on The Rachel Maddo Show (of all places) just reported that the Cubs will pursue A-Rod in the off-season.

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in the report but I thought I'd pass it along as it is not the usual thing that Air America reports.

 

Jones then went on to make fun of the Cubs, as has virtually every reporter who has talked about the Cubs in the past week.

 

"Yankee fans could be heard rejoicing at the news as A-Rod went 1 for 14 in the playoffs this year. If A-Rod goes 1 for 14 with the Cubs in the playoffs, Cubs fans will be saying 'hey were in the playoffs!"

 

I hate being a laughing stock.

 

Yankee fans would also be calling for David Wrights head if he went 2-17 in the league championship series.

[erik316wttn]

Say the rumors are true and the Yankees are looking to deal and they know the Cubs will be "agressively pursuing" A-Rod. Doesn't that mean Steinbrenner and Cashman will be dealing from a position of strength knowing that we're desperate to make some big-time moves and win, and therefore drive up his price?

 

I just hope Hendry and the Trib don't panic and trade half the farm for him just to say "Look! We got A-Rod!"

[Guest]

Say the rumors are true and the Yankees are looking to deal and they know the Cubs will be "agressively pursuing" A-Rod. Doesn't that mean Steinbrenner and Cashman will be dealing from a position of strength knowing that we're desperate to make some big-time moves and win, and therefore drive up his price?

 

I just hope Hendry and the Trib don't panic and trade half the farm for him just to say "Look! We got A-Rod!"

Half a depleted farm system for one of the two best shortstops...ever.

 

Where do I sign?

[erik316wttn]

Say the rumors are true and the Yankees are looking to deal and they know the Cubs will be "agressively pursuing" A-Rod. Doesn't that mean Steinbrenner and Cashman will be dealing from a position of strength knowing that we're desperate to make some big-time moves and win, and therefore drive up his price?

 

I just hope Hendry and the Trib don't panic and trade half the farm for him just to say "Look! We got A-Rod!"

Half a depleted farm system for one of the two best shortstops...ever.

 

Where do I sign?

 

I use "half the farm" as a blanket term.

 

I'm just afraid we'll trade some of the young Major League talent for him as well and grossly overpay.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Say the rumors are true and the Yankees are looking to deal and they know the Cubs will be "agressively pursuing" A-Rod. Doesn't that mean Steinbrenner and Cashman will be dealing from a position of strength knowing that we're desperate to make some big-time moves and win, and therefore drive up his price?

 

I just hope Hendry and the Trib don't panic and trade half the farm for him just to say "Look! We got A-Rod!"

Half a depleted farm system for one of the two best shortstops...ever.

 

Where do I sign?

 

2 upsides: we get ARod, and we're forced to restock the farm.

[Mephistopheles]

we're already forced to do that...

[hardcorecubfan]

As sports illustrated has so apply pointed out NY if they pursue anybody it is for a thrid basemen replacement and Scot Rolen is a great target, but how do we get into a four way or threeway with the Cardinals.

 

We could resign ARam then trade him but that is stupid, because we need a SS not a guy that hates third like ARod.

 

What are our assets that we are willing to give up? Can we compile a list first?

Would we give up Hill, Marshall? Please never John Mabre :roll: