Lou wants A-rod

[USSoccer]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

 

Salary dump. Florida was going to non tender Lee after the Baltimore deal fell through. Hendry swooped in and made a decent deal, but Choi's value wasn't near Hill's at the moment.

 

How about Francis Beltran, Justin Jones, and Brendan Harris?

 

Yeah, Nomar was injured, but Jim still sold pretty high and got Nomar and Murton out of it.

 

Without Murton, that's not that great of a deal. We got 35 games out of Nomar in 2004, and 60 or so in 2005. Not that we gave up a lot, but we didn't exactly get what we were expecting from Nomar.

[VanceJergins]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

 

Salary dump. Florida was going to non tender Lee after the Baltimore deal fell through. Hendry swooped in and made a decent deal, but Choi's value wasn't near Hill's at the moment.

 

How about Francis Beltran, Justin Jones, and Brendan Harris?

 

Yeah, Nomar was injured, but Jim still sold pretty high and got Nomar and Murton out of it.

 

Without Murton, that's not that great of a deal. We got 35 games out of Nomar in 2004, and 60 or so in 2005. Not that we gave up a lot, but we didn't exactly get what we were expecting from Nomar.

 

Yeah but you cant put hindsight into that. At the time Nomar was a big deal. At the time that was a great deal.

[Bull]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

 

Salary dump. Florida was going to non tender Lee after the Baltimore deal fell through. Hendry swooped in and made a decent deal, but Choi's value wasn't near Hill's at the moment.

 

How about Francis Beltran, Justin Jones, and Brendan Harris?

 

Yeah, Nomar was injured, but Jim still sold pretty high and got Nomar and Murton out of it.

 

Without Murton, that's not that great of a deal. We got 35 games out of Nomar in 2004, and 60 or so in 2005. Not that we gave up a lot, but we didn't exactly get what we were expecting from Nomar.

 

We're not talking about 1,2,or 5 years results, we're talking about selling high and in both cases Hendry did.

 

Actually we're talking about Lou and A-rod, so I'll shut up and let the thread return to the topic. Sorry for the mini derail.

[USSoccer]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

 

Salary dump. Florida was going to non tender Lee after the Baltimore deal fell through. Hendry swooped in and made a decent deal, but Choi's value wasn't near Hill's at the moment.

 

How about Francis Beltran, Justin Jones, and Brendan Harris?

 

Yeah, Nomar was injured, but Jim still sold pretty high and got Nomar and Murton out of it.

 

Without Murton, that's not that great of a deal. We got 35 games out of Nomar in 2004, and 60 or so in 2005. Not that we gave up a lot, but we didn't exactly get what we were expecting from Nomar.

 

Yeah but you cant put hindsight into that. At the time Nomar was a big deal. At the time that was a great deal.

 

You're right. At the time it was a steal. I still think that since we nabbed Murton, it was well worth it (especially considering we didn't give anything up, really).

[USSoccer]

Getting back to ARod, what else could work? The Yankees are going to need a 3B. I doubt they'll accept Moore as an option. Vance touched on Hank Blalock. Are there other options we could send their way in a 3 team deal?

[goonys evil twin]

Getting back to ARod, what else could work? The Yankees are going to need a 3B. I doubt they'll accept Moore as an option. Vance touched on Hank Blalock. Are there other options we could send their way in a 3 team deal?

 

They were at their best when Brosius was their 3B, not because of him, of course, but if they buy into all the talk about getting some role players, we might be able to think of a way to send them somebody else's journeyman type. Or, they could go after a 3B in free agency. Nomar is out there. Scott Spiezio is a journeyman type making noise in the playoffs.

 

What if the Cubs worked a deal that took Beltre off Seattle's hands, with the M's picking up a little cash, then sending him on to NY in a deal that includes some bullpen help and other young pitching. Beltre is overpaid, but he's not worthless as a player. His deal is much smaller than what NY still owes ARod, and allows them to plug him in down in the order, not expect much out of him, and have room for others. Corey Koskie could be available.

[cubweiser03]

For the life of me i cant imagine the Cubs getting Arod without giving up Aram or Z. Neither of which i like all that much. Aram a little more than Z. Both of these are relatively lateral moves. If the Cubs had a David Wright in the minors waiting in the wings, id do the Aram thing in a heart beat. Unfortuanetly guys like Wright dont grow on Ivy.

 

Prying away Arod from the Rangers is a lot easier than the Yankees. They could care less about blue chip prospects or salary dumps.

[soapy]

For the life of me i cant imagine the Cubs getting Arod without giving up Aram or Z. Neither of which i like all that much. Aram a little more than Z. Both of these are relatively lateral moves. If the Cubs had a David Wright in the minors waiting in the wings, id do the Aram thing in a heart beat. Unfortuanetly guys like Wright dont grow on Ivy.

 

Prying away Arod from the Rangers is a lot easier than the Yankees. They could care less about blue chip prospects or salary dumps.

I'm not sure the Yankees will require a top notch 3B in return for Arod. Offense isn't their problem and there are plenty of "lesser" options to be had at 3B. They want starting pitching, which of course leads back to the Zambrano, Hill and Prior discussions. That, or you get another team involved (Marlins).

[Andy]

The Cubs can put Izturis at second if they have ARam, ARod and Lee and I won't complain.

 

Hell, they could put me at second and that'd still be among the best infields ever.

[cubweiser03]

For the life of me i cant imagine the Cubs getting Arod without giving up Aram or Z. Neither of which i like all that much. Aram a little more than Z. Both of these are relatively lateral moves. If the Cubs had a David Wright in the minors waiting in the wings, id do the Aram thing in a heart beat. Unfortuanetly guys like Wright dont grow on Ivy.

 

Prying away Arod from the Rangers is a lot easier than the Yankees. They could care less about blue chip prospects or salary dumps.

I'm not sure the Yankees will require a top notch 3B in return for Arod. Offense isn't their problem and there are plenty of "lesser" options to be had at 3B. They want starting pitching, which of course leads back to the Zambrano, Hill and Prior discussions. That, or you get another team involved (Marlins).

 

Cashman would be nuts to use Prior or Hill as the cornerstone for this deal. And yeah i think the only way for this to go down is for a 3rd party to get involved. Then the Cubs could use some of their prospects and guys like hill/marshall in this deal. I dont have much optimism in Hendry pulling off a 3 team deal.

[soapy]

For the life of me i cant imagine the Cubs getting Arod without giving up Aram or Z. Neither of which i like all that much. Aram a little more than Z. Both of these are relatively lateral moves. If the Cubs had a David Wright in the minors waiting in the wings, id do the Aram thing in a heart beat. Unfortuanetly guys like Wright dont grow on Ivy.

 

Prying away Arod from the Rangers is a lot easier than the Yankees. They could care less about blue chip prospects or salary dumps.

I'm not sure the Yankees will require a top notch 3B in return for Arod. Offense isn't their problem and there are plenty of "lesser" options to be had at 3B. They want starting pitching, which of course leads back to the Zambrano, Hill and Prior discussions. That, or you get another team involved (Marlins).

 

Cashman would be nuts to use Prior or Hill as the cornerstone for this deal. And yeah i think the only way for this to go down is for a 3rd party to get involved. Then the Cubs could use some of their prospects and guys like hill/marshall in this deal. I dont have much optimism in Hendry pulling off a 3 team deal.

I don't either, and I don't have much optimism that Arod is in the cards regardless, but we'll see.

 

I think they may value Hill higher then you're saying. Something along the lines of Hill, Eyre and Guzman may interest them. They can plug Hill in to the rotation immediately and possibly Guzman at some later date. They shore up their bullpen a little and free up a ton of cash to throw at Zito, Schmidt and/or Matsusaka.

 

I'm not advocating such a deal for the Cubs, but I think it's something that would interest the Yankees.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Getting back to ARod, what else could work? The Yankees are going to need a 3B. I doubt they'll accept Moore as an option. Vance touched on Hank Blalock. Are there other options we could send their way in a 3 team deal?

 

Teahen from KC. They need pitching that doesn't cost anything, and Teahen is expendable with Gordon's arrival.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'm not the biggest fan of this signing, but anyone who comes in and says "I want A-Rod" just hours after he was announced as manager makes me warm up to him a little bit.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not the biggest fan of this signing, but anyone who comes in and says "I want A-Rod" just hours after he was announced as manager makes me warm up to him a little bit.

 

Well, he claims he never said that.

[Mizzou]

I'm not the biggest fan of this signing, but anyone who comes in and says "I want A-Rod" just hours after he was announced as manager makes me warm up to him a little bit.

 

Well, he claims he never said that.

Hendry could have told Lou to say that he never said it, as it obviously doesn't help Jim's negotiating ability for his manager to publicly state that he wants the Cubs to trade for a player.

[third eye]

I have to really believe that Jim and Lou had a detailed discussion about this before the hiring. I can't imagine that given the PR disaster of this year, they would allow Lou to talk freely about this sort of thing without there being real merit to it. My concern about it, though, is how much will Lou push Hendry to get a deal done, and how much can Jim possibly push back on his marquee hire? I have to think they must have been on the same page about how to approach all of this before the hiring.

 

Jim has said that Z and Hill were untouchable in the past. Hopefully at least the Z part is true. And I actually dislike the idea of parting with Hill also now, because I believe he is a critical part of the rotation. This especially bothers me since they would not have to give anyone up to get Soriano. Combined with the fact that this was actually put out in the media leads me to believe there may be a multi-team deal that they have in mind. There is no way Hendry will give up Z and I don’t think the Yankees will do it for Hill as the centerpiece (not because he won't be good next year, but its not the type of blockbuster name that would fly in NYC - and how often do you see the Yankees trading away allstars for ML ready prospects?). The only thing that makes sense to me is that there is legitimately a multi team deal that Hendry believes is realistic out there. And yes, he has pulled it off in the past. Wasn't Nomar a four team deal?

 

I guess this is all speculation on my part, but that’s the only way I can put all of these facts together.

[goonys evil twin]

I have to really believe that Jim and Lou had a detailed discussion about this before the hiring. I can't imagine that given the PR disaster of this year, they would allow Lou to talk freely about this sort of thing without there being real merit to it. .

 

He hasn't talked freely about it.

[C.C.]

I have to really believe that Jim and Lou had a detailed discussion about this before the hiring. I can't imagine that given the PR disaster of this year, they would allow Lou to talk freely about this sort of thing without there being real merit to it. My concern about it, though, is how much will Lou push Hendry to get a deal done, and how much can Jim possibly push back on his marquee hire? I have to think they must have been on the same page about how to approach all of this before the hiring.

 

Jim has said that Z and Hill were untouchable in the past. Hopefully at least the Z part is true. And I actually dislike the idea of parting with Hill also now, because I believe he is a critical part of the rotation. This especially bothers me since they would not have to give anyone up to get Soriano. Combined with the fact that this was actually put out in the media leads me to believe there may be a multi-team deal that they have in mind. There is no way Hendry will give up Z and I don’t think the Yankees will do it for Hill as the centerpiece (not because he won't be good next year, but its not the type of blockbuster name that would fly in NYC - and how often do you see the Yankees trading away allstars for ML ready prospects?). The only thing that makes sense to me is that there is legitimately a multi team deal that Hendry believes is realistic out there. And yes, he has pulled it off in the past. Wasn't Nomar a four team deal?

 

I guess this is all speculation on my part, but that’s the only way I can put all of these facts together.

 

Hendry has never ever said that. Can we please but this to rest. I was at the Cubs convention last year and Hendry said he never said that nor would he.

[JWCUB]

I'm not the biggest fan of this signing, but anyone who comes in and says "I want A-Rod" just hours after he was announced as manager makes me warm up to him a little bit.

 

Well, he claims he never said that.

 

Lou may or may not have said anything. But all the while, A-rod is sitting back watching and listening. I wonder what he is thinking. I wonder what "The Boss" is thinking?

[RynoRules]

I have to really believe that Jim and Lou had a detailed discussion about this before the hiring. I can't imagine that given the PR disaster of this year, they would allow Lou to talk freely about this sort of thing without there being real merit to it. .

 

He hasn't talked freely about it.

 

Because he can't; it would be tampering, no?

[third eye]

OK, my bad on the non-quote from JH about "untouchability". Guess I've just heard that thrown out there too often. Also, I wasn't claiming any deal was in place - my guess is that would be a case of tampering, or even that any promises were made between Hendry and Piniella. My only point is that they had to be on the same page about direction this offseason. Now I saw where Lou said there had been no trade discussions about ARod, and it may be that it is a media creation. However, I would think that management would do everything necessary to avoid embarrassment in the offseason from a PR perspective, and that would include cutting off any unfounded rumors like that. The quotes from Piniella didnt sound all that categorical to me. But I didnt see the press conference, so I can't say how it actually came across. And I'm not trying to be a wishful thinker here. I actually don't care too much for the idea of trading for ARod for the reasons I mentioned before. The way this has unfolded just strikes me as odd.

 

On another note, can anyone tell me what is the earliest that teams are allowed to officially discuss trades?

[wiumike]

No on any trade involving Z.

 

If Z goes to the yankees there is a reasonable chance we will see him 2 or 3 out of 7 games for that world series title. I don't care who your hitters are, I don't like the odds of the Cubs winning that series.

 

Plus the thought of Zambrano getting a ring in a yankee jersey just made me puke in my cube.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not the biggest fan of this signing, but anyone who comes in and says "I want A-Rod" just hours after he was announced as manager makes me warm up to him a little bit.

 

Well, he claims he never said that.

 

Well, he was also completely shocked by speculation he'd be a manager during the ALCS.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not the biggest fan of this signing, but anyone who comes in and says "I want A-Rod" just hours after he was announced as manager makes me warm up to him a little bit.

 

Well, he claims he never said that.

 

Well, he was also completely shocked by speculation he'd be a manager during the ALCS.

 

Really? It seemed pretty clear everybody in the booth knew he had a job waiting for him.

[TruffleShuffle]

Getting back to ARod, what else could work? The Yankees are going to need a 3B. I doubt they'll accept Moore as an option. Vance touched on Hank Blalock. Are there other options we could send their way in a 3 team deal?

 

Teahen from KC. They need pitching that doesn't cost anything, and Teahen is expendable with Gordon's arrival.

 

They also could hang onto Teahen - they really don't need to be giving up good young players to get prospects. The Royals are on record as saying they thought Gordon has the athleticism to play either of the corner outfield spots.