Lou wants A-rod

[Andy]

If it takes ARam for Arod, it is not worth it. Over the next five years their numbers will likely be a wash, and ARod is more expensive.

 

A three way deal could make this happen, imo.

 

Cubs get: Arod

Marlins get : Pie, Marshall, Guzman

Yankees get: Willis, Eyre

 

Or a mega-blockbuster:

 

Yankees get: Willis, Eyre, Prior, Dempster

 

Marlins get: Hughes, Hill, Murton, Pie

 

Cubs get: ARod, Cabrera, Pavano

There is quite simply no way either of those would happen. Love the dedication, but we'd need to trade the entire roster of West Tenn plus some impact players to get A-Rod and Cabrera.

[WrigleyField 22]

In all seriousness, what would be a realistic proposal in a trade for A-Rod?

 

Here's what I think. The Yankees want pitching. They would be willing to sacrifice the lineup some since its full of all stars. There are three good pitchers on the market. Yankees do not have unlimited money, despite what people believe. They don't need to repace ARods production at 3B. In fact I think they'd welcome just a cheap option.

 

So heres some components I think it will take to get ARod:

Yankees don't pick up any of his salary this year which would be $20M for us. If the payroll is indeed $115 we can afford it. If you assume they would like $15M to go towards a pitcher, they don't want any more than $5M back, so they would essentially also get Zito/Schmidt/etc in this deal and come out even. This could be Prior, Howry, Eyre, Jones, Dempster, Izturiz.

Prior: Could help pitching or could just be hurt.

Howry/Eyre: Great set-up man for Rivera

Dempster: Could either fill a rotation spot or be a set-up man

Jones:Plays LF Matsui DH, Cabrera 4th OF

Izturis: Could play 3B, but his value is limited to SS

 

Scott Moore could be a nice piece as a cheap replacement to 3B.

 

Mateo/Marshall/Marmol/Guzman could compete for the end of the rotation, either next year or in the future.

 

Gallagher/Veal could be thrown in as future deals.

 

If you slide Damon over to LF and have Matsui DH, they might like Pie at CF, alhough they are likely to get similar offensive production from Cabrera. If they take Pie, they wont get Veal/Gallagher, so its Pie/Veal/Gallagher.

 

So take one from each group:

Prior/Dempster/Howry/Eyre/Jones/Izturis

Scott Moore

Mateo/Marshall/Marmol/Guzman

Gallagher/Veal/Pie

 

Certain guys might eliminate other possibilities. If they want Prior they don't get the Gallagher/Veal/Pie group. Maybe that group gets replaced with Fox(future C or DH), Fotenot/Theriot(bench guys replace Cairo)/mid-level pitchers(Wells/Shaver)

 

If they want to dump someone like Wright/Pavano on us as part of the deal, they need to pay at least half the salary and we make some good players unavialable.

 

Go ahead and mix and match as you please. Keep in mind if ARod wants to be united with Piniella he has to accept any trade and can pressure a deal to Chicago.

 

If they Yanks get a young pitcher back, a young 3B, a set-up man and money to get Zito, as well as not picking up Mussina and resigning him cheaper:

Mussina

Zito

Wang

Johnson

Wright/Pavano/young pitchers(including one of their own in Hughes)

 

Plus their awesome lineup is only weakened in one spot, and they come out even on payroll. They probably have enough trade chips and money to modestly upgrade 3B from Moore if they want.

 

Those are my thoughts. Keep in mind there is the potential for Steinbrenner to feel a lot of pressure to trade ARod, and Cubs fan know all to well what happens when you look desperate to drop a player.

Edited October 17, 2006 by WrigleyField 22

[Transmogrified Tiger]

3 way deal with the Royals. ARod to the Cubs, young pitching to the Royals, Teahen + something from the Cubs(Jones/Eyre/more young pitching) to the Yankees

[Chocolate Milk]

YES!

[rocket]

Is there any point in putting Aramis's name in the article? If he's re-signed can he even be traded until a certain date? And if he re-signs, will he have a no-trade clause put in, and is he willing to waive it to play for NY?

[Brian]

Is there any point in putting Aramis's name in the article? If he's re-signed can he even be traded until a certain date? And if he re-signs, will he have a no-trade clause put in, and is he willing to waive it to play for NY?

 

I think he's tradeable if he is extended before he opts out for FA. Arroyo was traded recently after being extended last offseason.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If he's re-signed can he even be traded until a certain date?

 

That would depend on the nature of the re-signing. If it happens, say, tomorrow, then we could trade him with impunity(excepting any NTCs of course). If he opts out and files for Free Agency, then I assume he's no different than a Soriano or a Zito at that point.

[Brian]

But we just need to do a three way and put Arod at short

 

Lee

Arod

Rammy

 

:shock:

[WrigleyField 22]

To complete my thoughts, here is what I would like while trying to be somewht realistic:

 

Scott Moore

Ryan Dempster

Donald Veal

Juan Mateo

 

OR If they really want Prior, I bite(very reluctantly)

 

Scott Moore

Mark Prior

Juan Mateo

Jake Fox

 

for Arod and 18M (0,6,6,6) So we pay Arod (20,13,14,15)

 

If I wanted to be unrealistic:

Dempster, Moore, Mateo, Fox, Wells for same as above.

[cbbryan]

George swears the Yankee's early exit was due to pitching depth. With a combination of Hill/Guzman/Eyre it may be enough.

 

I don't see the Yankees wanting Pie. They have Matsui, Damon, Melky, Bernie (maybe), and Sheffield (FA - probably won't be back.)

 

Where would they play Pie? It doesn't add up IMO.

 

Keep in mind also...................... we're talking about the Yankees #8 hitter!!!! He hasn't done well at all with the Yankees. To a certain extent, the Yankees would be trading him at his low level as well. It's not going to take all of the Cubs top prospects to get him.

[Brian]

for Arod and 18M (0,6,6,6) So we pay Arod (20,13,14,15)

 

That's not right, since Texas is paying a bunch.

[Neuby]

I think the Cubs and Piniella know they need Prior and I don't see him being included in a deal for Arod.

 

Jones

Dempster

Pie

Marmol

 

Cubs- Arod?

[CUBZ99]

Lou is really starting to grow on me. :D

[jmajew]

Pie and Veal to the Marlins

Dontrelle Willis to the Yankees

A-rod to the Cubs

 

Pie and Veal to the A's

Prior and Eric Chavez to the Yankees

A-rod to the Cubs

 

Pie, Veal, Moore to the Braves

Hudson and Prior to the Yankees

A-rod and Andruw Jones to the Cubs

 

Pie, Veal, Moore, Joe Crede to the Braves

Freddy Garcia and Tim Hudson to the Yankees

Andruw Jones to the White Sox

A-rod to the Cubs

 

 

Sorry my mind is just running wild.

[USSoccer]

Given that Hendry had shown a willingness to deal Prior for Tejada (regardless of what he said in public), I wouldn't be shocked if Prior was the centerpiece to a deal.

 

Prior/Pie/Eyre is a very realistic package, but I could see the Cubs trying to sell NY on maybe Izturis instead of Pie.

[ChiCubsFan]

please make it happen, Jim...and do it without giving up Aram.

[ChiCubsFan]

Given that Hendry had shown a willingness to deal Prior for Tejada (regardless of what he said in public), I wouldn't be shocked if Prior was the centerpiece to a deal.

 

Prior/Pie/Eyre is a very realistic package, but I could see the Cubs trying to sell NY on maybe Izturis instead of Pie.

 

Why would the Yanks want Izturis? They have Cano and some guy named Jeter up the middle.

[WrigleyField 22]

for Arod and 18M (0,6,6,6) So we pay Arod (20,13,14,15)

 

That's not right, since Texas is paying a bunch.

 

According to http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=991

 

He is due 27M in 2007-2010. Rangers are paying 7, 8, 7, 6. So the Yanks are set to pay: 20, 19, 20, 21.

 

Now there is also a bunch of deferred money. I'm not really sure how all that works out.

[USSoccer]

Given that Hendry had shown a willingness to deal Prior for Tejada (regardless of what he said in public), I wouldn't be shocked if Prior was the centerpiece to a deal.

 

Prior/Pie/Eyre is a very realistic package, but I could see the Cubs trying to sell NY on maybe Izturis instead of Pie.

 

Why would the Yanks want Izturis? They have Cano and some guy named Jeter up the middle.

 

I'm sure Cesar could play 3B. Just a thought, though. I doubt they'd bite. Cashman isn't dumb; he's just forced into dumb decisions by the Tampa Cabal.

 

I'd probably see if they'd do Prior and Eyre. Pie is my deal-closer. I'd give them Moore, too.

 

Also, keep in mind if we take back Pavano or Wright, our player cost likely decreases.

[muntjack]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

[USSoccer]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

No. Z is the best player in that deal by far.

[WrigleyField 22]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

How much money are the Yankees paying?

[cbbryan]

Given that Hendry had shown a willingness to deal Prior for Tejada (regardless of what he said in public), I wouldn't be shocked if Prior was the centerpiece to a deal.

 

Prior/Pie/Eyre is a very realistic package, but I could see the Cubs trying to sell NY on maybe Izturis instead of Pie.

 

Why would the Yanks want Izturis? They have Cano and some guy named Jeter up the middle.

 

I'm sure Cesar could play 3B. Just a thought, though. I doubt they'd bite. Cashman isn't dumb; he's just forced into dumb decisions by the Tampa Cabal.

 

I'd probably see if they'd do Prior and Eyre. Pie is my deal-closer. I'd give them Moore, too.

 

Also, keep in mind if we take back Pavano or Wright, our player cost likely decreases.

 

Izturis would be a utility guy for the Yanks.

 

The problem with trading w/ the Yanks and for ARod is:

 

1. The Yanks are stacked. They don't need prospects (they don't keep them, or very rarely do) They're outfield is packed full. The infield is basically set. They have a catcher.

 

You have to trade them pitching. It's really their only weakness.

 

2. ARod is obviously going to demand talent, but how much?

 

 

If I was Hendry and wanted to dangle prospects out at the Yankees, it would be Guzman, Marshall, or Hill. ML ready pitchers that will keep the Yanks in the game. With their offense any of those 3 guys would probably win 15 games.

 

I would offer a package of: Prior, Guzman/Hill, and Moore.

 

2 ML ready pitchers and a 3B.

[Andy]

But we just need to do a three way and put Arod at short

 

Lee

Arod

Rammy

 

:shock:

Barrett

An improving Murton

 

Now THIS is a scenario in which having a guy like Jacque would be ok, as your sixth-best hitter he'd be better than the vast majority of 6th-best hitters in the majors.

[cbbryan]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

I'd do Dempster for Hughes straight up!