Lou wants A-rod

[WrigleyField 22]

Has anyone seen or posted this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/461848p-388604c.html

 

Bhuerle, Garcia, Vazquez don't interest them, but McCarthy does?

 

Prior with his recent injury history isn't more desireable than Bhuerle, Vazquez, Garcia, is he? Prior's only advantage is his price tag.

[ChiCubsFan]

Given that Hendry had shown a willingness to deal Prior for Tejada (regardless of what he said in public), I wouldn't be shocked if Prior was the centerpiece to a deal.

 

Prior/Pie/Eyre is a very realistic package, but I could see the Cubs trying to sell NY on maybe Izturis instead of Pie.

 

Why would the Yanks want Izturis? They have Cano and some guy named Jeter up the middle.

 

I'm sure Cesar could play 3B. Just a thought, though. I doubt they'd bite. Cashman isn't dumb; he's just forced into dumb decisions by the Tampa Cabal.

 

I'd probably see if they'd do Prior and Eyre. Pie is my deal-closer. I'd give them Moore, too.

 

Also, keep in mind if we take back Pavano or Wright, our player cost likely decreases.

 

I just pictured Cesar Izturis as a third baseman. I threw up in my mouth a little. Okay, I lied...it was a lot.

[ChiCubsFan]

Has anyone seen or posted this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/461848p-388604c.html

 

Bhuerle, Garcia, Vazquez don't interest them, but McCarthy does?

 

Prior with his recent injury history isn't more desireable than Bhuerle, Vazquez, Garcia, is he? Prior's only advantage is his price tag.

 

I'd take Prior over all of them.

[cbbryan]

Has anyone seen or posted this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/461848p-388604c.html

 

Bhuerle, Garcia, Vazquez don't interest them, but McCarthy does?

 

Prior with his recent injury history isn't more desireable than Bhuerle, Vazquez, Garcia, is he? Prior's only advantage is his price tag.

 

I think part of the issue is age. McCarthy may be a better pitcher then any of those three anyway. Buehrle was awful this year and Vasquez pitched for the Yankees in 2004 and wasn't great.

[Jazz]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

[cbbryan]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

 

I don't think the Cubs would even have to take Pavano. Seriously, who takes bad contracts from the Yankees? And if ARod's contract doesn't help free space........................

[SouthSideRyan]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

 

A-Rod when traded from the Rangers cost a recently 2 years older Soriano, and the Rangers threw in a lot of money. Since the trade A-Rod has gotten 3 years older.(i.e. the best value of his contract has passed) Additionally he is approaching a Corey Patterson like critical mass with the fans of the Yankees. They're the delusional ones. They won't come close to getting a Zambrano like talent in return.

[Jazz]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

 

I don't think the Cubs would even have to take Pavano. Seriously, who takes bad contracts from the Yankees? And if ARod's contract doesn't help free space........................

 

I wouldn't call it so much taking on a bad contract as much as the yankees "ridding" themselves of that 2004 offseason. And I really think Pavano could have a good year in 07 for anyone but new york.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think a couple of weeks ago I said an outfield of Murton/Pie/Jones would be perfectly fine with my infield of Aramis/ARod/Soriano/Lee.

[Jazz]

I think a couple of weeks ago I said an outfield of Murton/Pie/Jones would be perfectly fine with my infield of Aramis/ARod/Soriano/Lee.

 

That infield would be the NL All-Star infield should our wildest dreams come true.

It would also ironically unite Soriano and A-Rod.

[WrigleyField 22]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

 

I'm reading some now too where fans want Zambrano AND Ramirez, or another guy who wants Zambrano and Barrett... as backup catcher. Its bad enough they Yanks want an All-Star lineup, but they want a guy who just came off a year where he put up All Star numbers to be ON THE BENCH.

A guy posted this rotation:

Wang

Zambrano

Zito

Hughes (?)

Matsuzaka

I'm not sure what happened to the $33M they owe Johnson ,Pavano, Wright, but I'm thinking they might be the delusional ones.

[Balsa]

I think a couple of weeks ago I said an outfield of Murton/Pie/Jones would be perfectly fine with my infield of Aramis/ARod/Soriano/Lee.

Stars in eyes, but man those are some nice stars.

[cbbryan]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

 

I don't think the Cubs would even have to take Pavano. Seriously, who takes bad contracts from the Yankees? And if ARod's contract doesn't help free space........................

 

I wouldn't call it so much taking on a bad contract as much as the yankees "ridding" themselves of that 2004 offseason. And I really think Pavano could have a good year in 07 for anyone but new york.

 

Maybe so, but if the Cubs were to take on Pavano..........the Yanks would need to take on part of the contract. Or what they get in return would be alot less.

[ChiCubsFan]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

No. Z is the best player in that deal by far.

 

???

 

Z is great and all. I'm definitely one of his biggest fans, but how can you make that statement? ARod is one of the top 3 or so players in the game. If Zambrano is better than Arod...it certainly isn't "by far".

[cbbryan]

Browsing the yankees message boards, they seem to think they would get zambrano in ANY trade with A-Rod. Are we being a little delusional here in believing that A-Rod could be had without trading Z, or are they?

 

I think the Yankees would bite at a Hill, Prior, Eyre trade for Pavano and A-Rod.

 

I'm reading some now too where fans want Zambrano AND Ramirez, or another guy who wants Zambrano and Barrett... as backup catcher. Its bad enough they Yanks want an All-Star lineup, but they want a guy who just came off a year where he put up All Star numbers to be ON THE BENCH.

A guy posted this rotation:

Wang

Zambrano

Zito

Hughes (?)

Matsuzaka

I'm not sure what happened to the $33M they owe Johnson ,Pavano, Wright, but I'm thinking they might be the delusional ones.

 

The funny thing is that they list Wang as the #1 in that rotation!!!!!!

[Jazz]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

No. Z is the best player in that deal by far.

 

???

 

Z is great and all. I'm definitely one of his biggest fans, but how can you make that statement? ARod is one of the top 3 or so players in the game. If Zambrano is better than Arod...it certainly isn't "by far".

 

Zambrano is one of the top 5 pitchers in the game, he is 25, hasn't even reached his prime yet. He is also the better value. When it comes to trades, that all it comes down to. Value.

[cbbryan]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

No. Z is the best player in that deal by far.

 

???

 

Z is great and all. I'm definitely one of his biggest fans, but how can you make that statement? ARod is one of the top 3 or so players in the game. If Zambrano is better than Arod...it certainly isn't "by far".

 

Top 3? Come on! He's good, but let's put this in perspective. He's the Yankees #8 hitter..........................and the fans don't like him. He's not valued like he once was. This isn't the ARod that's FA eligible for the first time in Seattle.

 

He's still a great player, but I would be very suprised if the Yanks get anything back in return that equals what they gave up to get him.

[XZero771679666304]

If Aram signs, I doubt he will do so without a NTC. I doubt he signs and agrees to be traded to the Yanks when he could just go FA and get more money directly from them.

 

 

I offer Hill, Guzman, Moore, Pie, Jones, and Eyre for ARod and Pavano, provided the Yanks eat a decent chunk of Carl's contract. While it doesn't give the Yankees a proven starter or 3B, it clears payroll and gives them tradeable young talent. I would swap Prior in, but his trade value is low that is wouldn't make much of a difference compared to what he can be if he bounces back. Plus I don't think the Yanks are in the market for hit or miss starting pitchers after the past few seasons.

 

That offer might seem exorbitant, but in light of the offers the Angels and White Sox can offer (Crede, McPherson, etc.), Hendry will have to really overpay. ARod might invoke his NTC if it comes to the Sox, but you know he would jump at an opportunity to go to the Angels. Piniella could be a factor, but only if the Cubs get the Yankees to consider a deal.

 

If we want ARod, he will come at a steep price.

[Jazz]

If Aram signs, I doubt he will do so without a NTC. I doubt he signs and agrees to be traded to the Yanks when he could just go FA and get more money directly from them.

 

 

I offer Hill, Guzman, Moore, Pie, Jones, and Eyre for ARod and Pavano, provided the Yanks eat a decent chunk of Carl's contract. While it doesn't give the Yankees a proven starter or 3B, it clears payroll and gives them tradeable young talent. I would swap Prior in, but his trade value is low that is wouldn't make much of a difference compared to what he can be if he bounces back. Plus I don't think the Yanks are in the market for hit or miss starting pitchers after the past few seasons.

 

That offer might seem exorbitant, but in light of the offers the Angels and White Sox can offer (Crede, McPherson, etc.), Hendry will have to really overpay. ARod might invoke his NTC if it comes to the Sox, but you know he would jump at an opportunity to go to the Angels. Piniella could be a factor, but only if the Cubs get the Yankees to consider a deal.

 

If we want ARod, he will come at a steep price.

 

The yankees are the last team on the planet right now that wants pitching prospecs. if they aren't ML ready blue chippers/ or all-star/former all start starters than it probably wont happen

[XZero771679666304]

If Aram signs, I doubt he will do so without a NTC. I doubt he signs and agrees to be traded to the Yanks when he could just go FA and get more money directly from them.

 

 

I offer Hill, Guzman, Moore, Pie, Jones, and Eyre for ARod and Pavano, provided the Yanks eat a decent chunk of Carl's contract. While it doesn't give the Yankees a proven starter or 3B, it clears payroll and gives them tradeable young talent. I would swap Prior in, but his trade value is low that is wouldn't make much of a difference compared to what he can be if he bounces back. Plus I don't think the Yanks are in the market for hit or miss starting pitchers after the past few seasons.

 

That offer might seem exorbitant, but in light of the offers the Angels and White Sox can offer (Crede, McPherson, etc.), Hendry will have to really overpay. ARod might invoke his NTC if it comes to the Sox, but you know he would jump at an opportunity to go to the Angels. Piniella could be a factor, but only if the Cubs get the Yankees to consider a deal.

 

If we want ARod, he will come at a steep price.

 

The yankees are the last team on the planet right now that wants pitching prospecs. if they aren't ML ready blue chippers/ or all-star/former all start starters than it probably wont happen

 

They can just sign Zito, Schmidt, etc. Plus the prospects would probably just be traded again for another SP/3B, and the cleared payroll would help mitigate the expenditure for signed SP's.

 

Hendry can't give them what they need, but he can help give them the means to get it from somewhere else.

 

Jim can't give them a stud 3B, and he can't give them a top of the rotation SP (at least not without crippling the rotation). If he wants ARod, the only thing he can do is offer our best prospects and take some of George's payroll.

[A New Era]

If Aram signs, I doubt he will do so without a NTC. I doubt he signs and agrees to be traded to the Yanks when he could just go FA and get more money directly from them.

 

 

I offer Hill, Guzman, Moore, Pie, Jones, and Eyre for ARod and Pavano, provided the Yanks eat a decent chunk of Carl's contract. While it doesn't give the Yankees a proven starter or 3B, it clears payroll and gives them tradeable young talent. I would swap Prior in, but his trade value is low that is wouldn't make much of a difference compared to what he can be if he bounces back. Plus I don't think the Yanks are in the market for hit or miss starting pitchers after the past few seasons.

 

That offer might seem exorbitant, but in light of the offers the Angels and White Sox can offer (Crede, McPherson, etc.), Hendry will have to really overpay. ARod might invoke his NTC if it comes to the Sox, but you know he would jump at an opportunity to go to the Angels. Piniella could be a factor, but only if the Cubs get the Yankees to consider a deal.

 

If we want ARod, he will come at a steep price.

 

The yankees are the last team on the planet right now that wants pitching prospecs. if they aren't ML ready blue chippers/ or all-star/former all start starters than it probably wont happen

 

They can just sign Zito, Schmidt, etc. Plus the prospects would probably just be traded again for another SP/3B, and the cleared payroll would help mitigate the expenditure for signed SP's.

 

Hendry can't give them what they need, but he can help give them the means to get it from somewhere else.

 

Jim can't give them a stud 3B, and he can't give them a top of the rotation SP (at least not without crippling the rotation). If he wants ARod, the only thing he can do is offer our best prospects and take some of George's payroll.

 

Or get a team like the marlin's involved to get the yankee's willis, the marlins a very attractive set of youngsters, and the Cubs a-rod. .

[cbbryan]

If Aram signs, I doubt he will do so without a NTC. I doubt he signs and agrees to be traded to the Yanks when he could just go FA and get more money directly from them.

 

 

I offer Hill, Guzman, Moore, Pie, Jones, and Eyre for ARod and Pavano, provided the Yanks eat a decent chunk of Carl's contract. While it doesn't give the Yankees a proven starter or 3B, it clears payroll and gives them tradeable young talent. I would swap Prior in, but his trade value is low that is wouldn't make much of a difference compared to what he can be if he bounces back. Plus I don't think the Yanks are in the market for hit or miss starting pitchers after the past few seasons.

 

That offer might seem exorbitant, but in light of the offers the Angels and White Sox can offer (Crede, McPherson, etc.), Hendry will have to really overpay. ARod might invoke his NTC if it comes to the Sox, but you know he would jump at an opportunity to go to the Angels. Piniella could be a factor, but only if the Cubs get the Yankees to consider a deal.

 

If we want ARod, he will come at a steep price.

 

The yankees are the last team on the planet right now that wants pitching prospecs. if they aren't ML ready blue chippers/ or all-star/former all start starters than it probably wont happen

 

They can just sign Zito, Schmidt, etc. Plus the prospects would probably just be traded again for another SP/3B, and the cleared payroll would help mitigate the expenditure for signed SP's.

 

Hendry can't give them what they need, but he can help give them the means to get it from somewhere else.

 

Jim can't give them a stud 3B, and he can't give them a top of the rotation SP (at least not without crippling the rotation). If he wants ARod, the only thing he can do is offer our best prospects and take some of George's payroll.

 

If you're right and that is indeed the case.................. I'll pass. IMHO, I think ML ready pitching is something the Yankees need desperately. The Cubs has some depth with Guzman, Hill, and Marshall. Pie to the Yankees doesn't make sense. Jones doesn't make sense either. Eyre does. Dempster does.

 

I'd even do Dempster, Guzman, and Marshall for ARod. If the Yanks wouldn't do it............... sign Soriano, the Cubs will pay less and Soriano is younger.

[ChiCubsFan]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

No. Z is the best player in that deal by far.

 

???

 

Z is great and all. I'm definitely one of his biggest fans, but how can you make that statement? ARod is one of the top 3 or so players in the game. If Zambrano is better than Arod...it certainly isn't "by far".

 

Top 3? Come on! He's good, but let's put this in perspective. He's the Yankees #8 hitter..........................and the fans don't like him. He's not valued like he once was. This isn't the ARod that's FA eligible for the first time in Seattle.

 

He's still a great player, but I would be very suprised if the Yanks get anything back in return that equals what they gave up to get him.

 

Um...wow. I dont care that the fans don't like him. I don't care that Torre was dumb and decided to bat Arod 8th. ARod is a top player. Maybe top 3 is a little bit of a stretch, but not much. I can't think of too many more players I'd rather have than him. A .900 OPS is a down year for him. If he can still play SS (which I believe he can) he's easily a top 5 player. Anyways, my point was saying that someone who plays once every five days (although very good, young, and relatively cheap for now) is "by far" better than one of the greatest players of our time, is a bit much.

 

I'm not saying I would do that deal (Arod/Hughes for Zambrano/Dempster) but I would have to think twice about it.

[cbbryan]

Would anyone do Zambrano and Dempster for ARod and Philip Hughes?

 

Would anyone do this AFTER we signed Zito, Matsuzaka or Schmidt?

 

No. Z is the best player in that deal by far.

 

???

 

Z is great and all. I'm definitely one of his biggest fans, but how can you make that statement? ARod is one of the top 3 or so players in the game. If Zambrano is better than Arod...it certainly isn't "by far".

 

Top 3? Come on! He's good, but let's put this in perspective. He's the Yankees #8 hitter..........................and the fans don't like him. He's not valued like he once was. This isn't the ARod that's FA eligible for the first time in Seattle.

 

He's still a great player, but I would be very suprised if the Yanks get anything back in return that equals what they gave up to get him.

 

Um...wow. I dont care that the fans don't like him. I don't care that Torre was dumb and decided to bat Arod 8th. ARod is a top player. Maybe top 3 is a little bit of a stretch, but not much. I can't think of too many more players I'd rather have than him. A .900 OPS is a down year for him. If he can still play SS (which I believe he can) he's easily a top 5 player. Anyways, my point was saying that someone who plays once every five days (although very good, young, and relatively cheap for now) is "by far" better than one of the greatest players of our time, is a bit much.

 

I'm not saying I would do that deal (Arod/Hughes for Zambrano/Dempster) but I would have to think twice about it.

 

To dismiss ARod's situation in NY is crazy to me. Torre didn't put ARod in the 8 hole because he was tearing the cover off the ball! He did it because he'd been struggling and wasn't driving in runs.

 

Perception is a beautiful thing. NY fans know ARod is talented, but he "seems" to never produce in the clutch. I have many friends that are Yanks fans that say ARod isn't a top 5 player on the Yanks team. While I don't think that's correct, I'm not going to ignore the perception when making trade offers.

[Pinktermite]

To trade Z for Arod...in any combination...shoots us in the foot. We get an all star in return, and give up our ONLY proven starter...

 

That's dumb...