Rosenthal drops Bochy's name

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think Jim will get caught with his pants down.

 

Girardi will sign with Washington.

Brenly with San Fran.

Boche will not be available.

 

 

Jimy Williams anyone?

 

Sounds like the table could then be set for Washington, Mills, or oh please....Larry Dierker.

 

Can the Cubs interview Washington without tampering?

 

If they can the only potential candidate off limits now is Boche who's 07

avaiablility is uncertain.

 

Regardless of who we want as the next manager, the nonchelant attitude of Hendry is un-acceptable.

 

They could only talk to Washington if Oakland granted permission. Chances are, they have to wait until after the WS or until Oakland is eliminated.

[Soriano12]

If Oakland won't give permission that is pretty bush league of them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Oakland won't give permission that is pretty bush league of them.

 

Not really. They may not want the distraction of having their coach interview in the midst of the playoffs. They will likely be happy to let him interview once the season for them is over.

[Soriano12]

If you hold him back, till the season is over you could jeopardize his chances.

If Oakland makes it to the WS what is the latest it could end.(say it is a 7 game series?) Past Oct 31?

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

[soccer10k]

If you hold him back, till the season is over you could jeopardize his chances.

If Oakland makes it to the WS what is the latest it could end.(say it is a 7 game series?) Past Oct 31?

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

 

As per mlb.com, Game 7 of the WS is scheduled for Sunday October 29. And I don't think it's unfair to not have your coaches interview when the season is still going on. I hate it when college coaches leave their current team to join a new team after the regular season is over but before the bowl game like Dan Hawkins did with Boise St./Colorado this year. Wait til the season is over.

[Soriano12]

If you hold him back, till the season is over you could jeopardize his chances.

If Oakland makes it to the WS what is the latest it could end.(say it is a 7 game series?) Past Oct 31?

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

 

As per mlb.com, Game 7 of the WS is scheduled for Sunday October 29. And I don't think it's unfair to not have your coaches interview when the season is still going on. I hate it when college coaches leave their current team to join a new team after the regular season is over but before the bowl game like Dan Hawkins did with Boise St./Colorado this year. Wait til the season is over.

 

They never leave before the playoffs are over in professional sports.

It happens in college because they need to jump into recruiting ASAP.

[NorthsideAvenger]

The People's Choice (Chicago area that is)/John McDOonough for manager: Joe Girardi:

 

Jim Hendry's choice for manager: Bruce Bochy.

 

Who's going to blink?

 

If Boch is Hendry's choice (which is a real possibility - Boch was supposedly #2 behind Dusty in 2002), I hope the McDOnough and company blink.

 

Hopefully, but we know McDonough is into the "PR" possibility of Joe Girardi. So, Hendry would have to CONVINCE the McD and company that Bochy is a better hire then the "PR Hero of the people" Girardi.

[A New Era]

The People's Choice (Chicago area that is)/John McDOonough for manager: Joe Girardi:

 

Jim Hendry's choice for manager: Bruce Bochy.

 

Who's going to blink?

 

If Boch is Hendry's choice (which is a real possibility - Boch was supposedly #2 behind Dusty in 2002), I hope the McDOnough and company blink.

 

Hopefully, but we know McDonough is into the "PR" possibility of Joe Girardi. So, Hendry would have to CONVINCE the McD and company that Bochy is a better hire then the "PR Hero of the people" Girardi.

 

I don't know if you meant that or not. But We've found a nickname for McDunough. MickyD. :D

[hawkeyecub]

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

 

No they don't. Coordinators rarely get interviewed before their team is eliminated from the playoffs.

[Soriano12]

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

 

No they don't. Coordinators rarely get interviewed before their team is eliminated from the playoffs.

 

It happens all the time. Riveria interviewed for the Rams before the Bears home playoff game. They are usually not denied permission.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think some of you accusing him of being Dusty #2 you should read all what BBB has said.

 

I don't think anyone has accused Bochy of being Dusty #2.

[A New Era]

I think some of you accusing him of being Dusty #2 you should read all what BBB has said.

 

I don't think anyone has accused Bochy of being Dusty #2.

 

 

 

Bochy has a reputation for not playing the kids and a being a player's manager. Apparently he doesn't play small ball too much.

 

So Dusty 2.0?

 

The "Dusty 2.0?" was not a question. It was a sarcastic remark. And your post seemed to invite comparisions of Dusty. And it sounds based on a majority of the posts that he actually does play the kids. So where did you hear he doesn't play kids? And did you intentionally word it to invite comparisions to Dusty?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think some of you accusing him of being Dusty #2 you should read all what BBB has said.

 

I don't think anyone has accused Bochy of being Dusty #2.

 

 

 

Bochy has a reputation for not playing the kids and a being a player's manager. Apparently he doesn't play small ball too much.

 

So Dusty 2.0?

 

The "Dusty 2.0?" was not a question. It was a sarcastic remark. And your post seemed to invite comparisions of Dusty. And it sounds based on a majority of the posts that he actually does play the kids. So where did you hear he doesn't play kids? And did you intentionally word it to invite comparisions to Dusty?

 

Oops, forgot the Dusty 2.0 comment. Then again, I did respond to erik316wttn and say he wasn't like Dusty.

 

From my old roommate at UCSD and a couple of other folks I know in San Diego. My friends mentioned Xavier Nady, Tim Stauffer (though, frankly, I think Stauffer sucks) and a few others.

 

I didn't intentionally word anything to invite comparisons to Dusty. I didn't want Dusty to manage the Cubs even while he was still with the Giants while Bochy would be my choice to manage the Cubs next year.

[UK1679666180]

Deivi Cruz while Ramon Vasquez on the bench is another case.

[SouthSideRyan]

Bochy has a reputation for not playing the kids and a being a player's manager.

 

Next.

 

If there is only hope for this team, it is our kids.

 

Rich Hill

Matt Murton

Sean Marshall

Carlos Marmol

 

Pie, Gallagher, and Veal down the road.

 

 

but at the same time now that I think about it, a bunch of young guys have had chances to develop down there.

 

I'm not sure you could find a manager/coach in organized baseball that wouldn't start the season with Rich Hill in the rotation.

[hawkeyecub]

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

 

No they don't. Coordinators rarely get interviewed before their team is eliminated from the playoffs.

 

It happens all the time. Riveria interviewed for the Rams before the Bears home playoff game. They are usually not denied permission.

 

So that means it happens all the time and pretty much every NFL coach will let it happen? No.

 

It's one of the main reasons Brad Childress didn't get a head job before this year, he never got an interview until the Eagles were knocked out. I don't believe any of the Steelers candidates got an interview last year, at least not until after the AFC Championship. I don't believe Crennell or Mangini interviewed until after the Pats were knocked out. Teams couldn't talk to Gary Kubiak last year until the Broncos were eliminated. Tim Lewis had to wait. Those are all just in the last two years.

 

Far more often teams with openings have to wait until their candidate is eliminated from the playoffs.

[Deeg]

Honestly, I'm hard pressed to see how anyone who has actually watched Bochy manage could say he doesn't play kids, or frankly, compares to Dusty Baker in any meaningful way. It just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[AI]

Boche would be a great addition. He's the first name that I've heard that I'm actually excited about. The comparisons to Dusty are absurd. The only thing those guys have in common is that they both played in the big leagues. I will just refer to BBB's post for all the info anyone might need on this subject.

[moorecg]

Boche would be a great addition. He's the first name that I've heard that I'm actually excited about. The comparisons to Dusty are absurd. The only thing those guys have in common is that they both played in the big leagues. I will just refer to BBB's post for all the info anyone might need on this subject.

 

While there may be an argument for him...after watching that STL series I'm not sure I like him. While its a very small sample size his in game decision making seems questionable.

 

Why pitch to the Dominican God of hitting with a base open?

Why start an entire lineup of lefties when a good portion of your best hitters are righty?

Why send Cameron against the hardest tandem in the league to steal on?

 

There were others...these just pop in my head to begin with.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Pretty much every NFL coach will let one of his coordinators interview during the playoffs and a coordinator has more value/input to a game plan vs. a 3rd

base coach.

 

No they don't. Coordinators rarely get interviewed before their team is eliminated from the playoffs.

 

It happens all the time. Riveria interviewed for the Rams before the Bears home playoff game. They are usually not denied permission.

 

So that means it happens all the time and pretty much every NFL coach will let it happen? No.

 

Most teams allow coordinators to interview on the off day during the playoffs. Very view hold back their guys from possible promotions.

[soapy]

Boche would be a great addition. He's the first name that I've heard that I'm actually excited about. The comparisons to Dusty are absurd. The only thing those guys have in common is that they both played in the big leagues. I will just refer to BBB's post for all the info anyone might need on this subject.

 

While there may be an argument for him...after watching that STL series I'm not sure I like him. While its a very small sample size his in game decision making seems questionable.

 

Why pitch to the Dominican God of hitting with a base open?

Why start an entire lineup of lefties when a good portion of your best hitters are righty?

Why send Cameron against the hardest tandem in the league to steal on?

 

There were others...these just pop in my head to begin with.

I also didn't understand the decision to start Woody in yesterday's game.

[BigbadB]

Bochy has sort of worn out his welcome in San Diego in regards to the fans, but one has to remember that San Diego plays as a small market team, and he's done fairly well with what he's had to work with.

 

Pardon me for quoting myself, but I wanted to expound on this comment from my first post in this thread. Not only because I don't believe I explained why he's worn out his welcome clearly enough, but because I've spoken to a few Padres season ticket holders since I made that post.

 

San Diego is a pretty big market, but emulates a small market in regard to MLB. San Diego plays the "whoa is me" card way too much, but they get away with it, somehow. After building a brand new stadium, the owner cried poor and didn't spend nearly as much money as he originally stated he would to put a competitive team on the field.

 

The Padres have back to back division championships. But, are they really that good? In 2005, San Diego was battling against the Dodgers (in the middle of ownership, management and player changes), San Fran (in the middle of management and half ass player personnel changes), Colorado (no sense of direction) and Arizona (total reconstruction after a total self destruction). The Padres finished 1 game over .500. The team wasn't good. The fans here don't really look at the win/loss record in the standings. They don't compare the team to other division winners. They only seek results in the playoffs. When the team fails in the playoffs, the fans place all the blame on the manager.

 

I spoke with a few Padres season ticket holders yesterday. I asked if they had heard the Bochy to Chicago rumors. They both said "good". It couldn't happen soon enough. They can no longer stand him.

 

Moores has cheated Towers and Bochy in regards to giving them the necessary tools to go out and win. No manager can perform miracles with a horrible roster. The fans here don't see it that way.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't have much of an opinion on Bochy, only that he's gotten decent results out of a team that hasn't spent much money and doesn't have a load of talent. I don't recall him being one of those managers who has to have his imprint on the game, which I like.

 

I'm going to base my opinion on him off of what BBB wrote. Therefore, if it backfires, it's all BBB's fault.

[BigbadB]

Deivi Cruz while Ramon Vasquez on the bench is another case.

 

It didn't really happen that way. Deivi Cruz was playing SS and D'Angelo Jimenez was playing 2nd. Jimenez was traded in July to make room for Vazquez to play everyday at 2nd. The next year, Vazquez took over at SS.

 

They liked Vazquez, but Greene was coming along and the Padres didn't feel that Vazquez provided the necessary power to have an everyday job in the new, huge dimensional stadium they were in.

[BigbadB]

I don't have much of an opinion on Bochy, only that he's gotten decent results out of a team that hasn't spent much money and doesn't have a load of talent. I don't recall him being one of those managers who has to have his imprint on the game, which I like.

 

I'm going to base my opinion on him off of what BBB wrote. Therefore, if it backfires, it's all BBB's fault.

 

I'm cool with that. I'm just glad you didn't lay all of the blame on me for Dusty. I endorsed him, not really knowing all that much about him. At the same time, I felt Dusty did do some good things in San Francisco. His teams drew walks at a very respectable clip. His Giant teams didn't seem all that "aggressive" at the plate. His top of the order guys were good to decent OBP guys. Why he didn't do that here is beyond me.

 

I didn't totally buy into the pitcher abuse theory when Dusty was being considered for the Cubs managerial position, so I was definitely wrong there.

 

As far as the youth coming into Chicago at that time, I didn't think Dusty had much choice but to play them. Hendry really seemed like a guy who would force the youngsters to play since he was promoted from the minor league system he built.