What would Barrett net for us?

[EricG]

The problem is that Hendry would be the one trading him. He would turn down an offer of good prospects for an oft injured former gold glover who had a career year 2 years ago and hasn't done much since hoping he will catch fire again in a Cubs uniform.

[A New Era]

The problem is that Hendry would be the one trading him. He would turn down an offer of good prospects for an oft injured former gold glover who had a career year 2 years ago and hasn't done much since hoping he will catch fire again in a Cubs uniform.

 

You hit it on the NAIL my friend!!

[neely crenshaw]

an average outfielder or corner guy adds more offense than barrett.

he is a great offensive catcher but his stats pale campared to a good 3b like aram...so moving positions isn't a great move.

 

anyway we have a leftfielder that basically matches barretts stats right now.

 

Do you ever bother to check stats before posting? Barrett's .307/.368/.517 line this year is easily above average for a corner spot, and is significantly better than anything any of our outfielders.

yeah i did....have you looked at murton's stats?

.295/.360/.429 looks very similar....

he(murton) has 6 fewer hrs but more rbi and bb

you may also want to look at corner players(3rd and 1st) and see how their stats match up. barrett only is close in average. he is way behind in obp and slg....not too mention hrs and rbi.

giambi is a great example in hitting .251 but has an obp over .400

 

do you ever check stats before posting?

Edited September 7, 2006 by neely crenshaw

[SouthSideRyan]

100 points of slugging is a lot.

[WrigleyField 22]

an average outfielder or corner guy adds more offense than barrett.

he is a great offensive catcher but his stats pale campared to a good 3b like aram...so moving positions isn't a great move.

 

anyway we have a leftfielder that basically matches barretts stats right now.

 

Do you ever bother to check stats before posting? Barrett's .307/.368/.517 line this year is easily above average for a corner spot, and is significantly better than anything any of our outfielders.

yeah i did....have you looked at murton's stats?

.295/.360/.429 looks very similar....

he(murton) has 6 fewer hrs but more rbi and bb

you may also want to look at corner players(3rd and 1st) and see how their stats match up. barrett only is close in average. he is way behind in obp and slg....not too mention hrs and rbi.

giambi is a great example in hitting .251 but has an obp over .400

 

do you ever check stats before posting?

 

Way behind in slugging? If he had enough PAs his .517 SLG would be good for 35th in all of baseball.

[neely crenshaw]

you really need to look a little closer at the difference. the differnce is 6 hrs, 1 3b and 9 2bs....or 16 extra base hits over 120 games that they have played or around 3 more total bases every 10 games

 

i don't call that significantly better than murton certainly not too the point that we should consider teaching a catcher to be an outfielder

[Ding Dong Johnson]

you really need to look a little closer at the difference. the differnce is 6 hrs, 1 3b and 9 2bs....or 16 extra base hits over 120 games that they have played or around 3 more total bases every 10 games

 

i don't call that significantly better than murton certainly not too the point that we should consider teaching a catcher to be an outfielder

 

That's more than just 16 hits, it's 45 more bases.

 

PS -- I'm in no way advocating that Barrett be converted to LF because I think that would be a ridiculously bad idea.

[RationalSoxFan]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

[Shawon12]

Unfortuntately, Barrett wouldn't net us much. He is a defensive liability and most teams that are interested in winning, place a higher value on the defensive side of plate.

 

He is worth more to us than he would be to other teams.

 

I love Barrett, but Hendry as created a flawed team.

[neely crenshaw]

you really need to look a little closer at the difference. the differnce is 6 hrs, 1 3b and 9 2bs....or 16 extra base hits over 120 games that they have played or around 3 more total bases every 10 games

 

i don't call that significantly better than murton certainly not too the point that we should consider teaching a catcher to be an outfielder

 

That's more than just 16 hits, it's 45 more bases.

 

PS -- I'm in no way advocating that Barrett be converted to LF because I think that would be a ridiculously bad idea.

 

yes it's 45 extra bases for the year! right now it's about one extra base per every 2.5- 3 games.

 

my point wasn't to dis barrett..he is a very good offensive catcher but when you look at corners or outfielders his stats would not be outstanding.

[SouthSideRyan]

Unfortuntately, Barrett wouldn't net us much. He is a defensive liability and most teams that are interested in winning, place a higher value on the defensive side of plate.

 

He is worth more to us than he would be to other teams.

 

I love Barrett, but Hendry as created a flawed team.

 

Yeah like brilliant defensive catcher AJ Pierzynski. Or that stud at gunning people down Jason Kendall. That's not even to mention the NUMEROUS gold gloves that Jorge Posada has pulled down.

[RationalSoxFan]

I seriously cannot remember one time AJP gunned anyone down. Not one. He is so overrated it's ridiculous. Barrett may not be ideal behind the plate, but he adds 10x the offense of AJP and has time to learn. Keep Barrett and add OBP and a power bat at the corners. This team is not in dire condition, it can be revitalized with the RIGHT moves.

[SouthSideRyan]

I seriously cannot remember one time AJP gunned anyone down. Not one. He is so overrated it's ridiculous. Barrett may not be ideal behind the plate, but he adds 10x the offense of AJP and has time to learn. Keep Barrett and add OBP and a power bat at the corners. This team is not in dire condition, it can be revitalized with the RIGHT moves.

 

That was sarcasm. Those 3 I listed are all horrible defenders.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

The Cubs need patience and more power.

[baseball7897]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

 

You would have to be crazy to take Freel or Clark over Vernon Wells.

[RationalSoxFan]

I seriously cannot remember one time AJP gunned anyone down. Not one. He is so overrated it's ridiculous. Barrett may not be ideal behind the plate, but he adds 10x the offense of AJP and has time to learn. Keep Barrett and add OBP and a power bat at the corners. This team is not in dire condition, it can be revitalized with the RIGHT moves.

 

That was sarcasm. Those 3 I listed are all horrible defenders.

I know, I just wanted to reiterate his lack of awesomeness.

[RationalSoxFan]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

 

You would have to be crazy to take Freel or Clark over Vernon Wells.

Not really. Vernon Wells is having a tremendous year but his previous two seasons he posted OPS+ of 104 and 103. It would probably take a lot to get him, while the Reds and Brewers are more than willing to part with Freel or Clark. Freel and Clark post MUCH better On-Base Percentages, which is exactly what the Cubs need, not more toolsy guys who swing at everything.

[baseball7897]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

 

You would have to be crazy to take Freel or Clark over Vernon Wells.

Not really. Vernon Wells is having a tremendous year but his previous two seasons he posted OPS+ of 104 and 103. It would probably take a lot to get him, while the Reds and Brewers are more than willing to part with Freel or Clark. Freel and Clark post MUCH better On-Base Percentages, which is exactly what the Cubs need, not more toolsy guys who swing at everything.

 

I dont agree with anything you said. Let's take a look at Vernon's numbers for this year: AVG .313 | HR 31 | RBI 93 | OBP .367 | SLG .568 . Yeah I guess Freel and that other guy are better.

[sethuel1]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

 

You would have to be crazy to take Freel or Clark over Vernon Wells.

Not really. Vernon Wells is having a tremendous year but his previous two seasons he posted OPS+ of 104 and 103. It would probably take a lot to get him, while the Reds and Brewers are more than willing to part with Freel or Clark. Freel and Clark post MUCH better On-Base Percentages, which is exactly what the Cubs need, not more toolsy guys who swing at everything.

 

I dont agree with anything you said. Let's take a look at Vernon's numbers for this year: AVG .313 | HR 31 | RBI 93 | OBP .367 | SLG .568 . Yeah I guess Freel and that other guy are better.

 

What part of but his previous two seasons did you not take note of in this situation?

[RationalSoxFan]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

 

You would have to be crazy to take Freel or Clark over Vernon Wells.

Not really. Vernon Wells is having a tremendous year but his previous two seasons he posted OPS+ of 104 and 103. It would probably take a lot to get him, while the Reds and Brewers are more than willing to part with Freel or Clark. Freel and Clark post MUCH better On-Base Percentages, which is exactly what the Cubs need, not more toolsy guys who swing at everything.

 

I dont agree with anything you said. Let's take a look at Vernon's numbers for this year: AVG .313 | HR 31 | RBI 93 | OBP .367 | SLG .568 . Yeah I guess Freel and that other guy are better.

I'd rather have Barrett and one of those "other guys" instead of Wells and a defensive whiz.

[UK1679666180]

I seriously cannot remember one time AJP gunned anyone down. Not one. He is so overrated it's ridiculous. Barrett may not be ideal behind the plate, but he adds 10x the offense of AJP and has time to learn. Keep Barrett and add OBP and a power bat at the corners. This team is not in dire condition, it can be revitalized with the RIGHT moves.

 

Don't let the White Sox pitchers off the hook in that equation (except Buehrle), as a group they are horrible at keeping runners on, espec. Garcia. While Pierzynski's arm is below avg., it's not Victor Martinez bad who also suffers from a group of pitchers that doesn't do a good job of keeping runners honest.

[baseball7897]

Vernon Wells would command a lot more than Barrett, plus he is OVERRATED. You guys need patience, not another toolsy outfielder. Brady Clark or Ryan Freel would be more beneficial to the team than Wells, plus you keep the best offensive backstop in the game.

 

 

You would have to be crazy to take Freel or Clark over Vernon Wells.

Not really. Vernon Wells is having a tremendous year but his previous two seasons he posted OPS+ of 104 and 103. It would probably take a lot to get him, while the Reds and Brewers are more than willing to part with Freel or Clark. Freel and Clark post MUCH better On-Base Percentages, which is exactly what the Cubs need, not more toolsy guys who swing at everything.

 

I dont agree with anything you said. Let's take a look at Vernon's numbers for this year: AVG .313 | HR 31 | RBI 93 | OBP .367 | SLG .568 . Yeah I guess Freel and that other guy are better.

 

What part of but his previous two seasons did you not take note of in this situation?

 

Vernon Wells is way better than Freel or that bum Clark. Wells brings more to a team than Freel or Clark would. I cant believe im actually having to type this. He is not overrated. He will hit around .300, hit 30 HR a year, and drive in over a 100. Having Vernon Wells in CF and Bengie Molina behind the plate, would be better than Pierre in Cf and Barrett and his horrible pitch calling.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Vernon Wells has hit .300 twice in 5 full seasons. Same with 30 HR, and RBI means nothing.

 

Wells has also had a .340+ OBP twice in 5 seasons. Career years do not equal a players ability to repeat that performance.

[baseball7897]

Vernon Wells has hit .300 twice in 5 full seasons. Same with 30 HR, and RBI means nothing.

 

Wells has also had a .340+ OBP twice in 5 seasons. Career years do not equal a players ability to repeat that performance.

 

So you would take Freel or Clark over Wells? I think you guys are getting to caught up with the whole OBP. I would take the guy who hits around .300 with 30HR and 100RBI a year, over a guy like Freel or Clark who will only put up a .370 OBP.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Vernon Wells has hit .300 twice in 5 full seasons. Same with 30 HR, and RBI means nothing.

 

Wells has also had a .340+ OBP twice in 5 seasons. Career years do not equal a players ability to repeat that performance.

 

So you would take Freel or Clark over Wells? I think you guys are getting to caught up with the whole OBP. I would take the guy who hits around .300 with 30HR and 100RBI a year, over a guy like Freel or Clark who will only put up a .370 OBP.

 

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